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What the hell is going on with my grain bags?
#26468439 - 02/04/20 12:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So my grain bags are fully colonized but the mycelium does not look as white as other photos I have seen.. it looks like its weak or something.
could this mean it is dehydrated, not enough water? What do you guys think?
I also have a radiant oil heater in the room because without it, that room hits about 65F at night or lower and that would slow down the colonization significantly.
Could this be drying out my bags possibly? I keep the bags at the far side of the room , not too close to the heater.
The radiant oil heaters are not supposed to dry things out as much as other space heaters, but I am assuming it still does dry the room out to some degree.

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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468454 - 02/04/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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either still recovering from a shake, or having trouble recovering because of bacteria. The slight wet spots indicate possible bacteria.
Maybe leave them a few days to see if they thicken up more before attempting to spawn.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: LtLurker]
#26468531 - 02/04/20 01:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Contaminated. Pitch em. Sorry sir.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468544 - 02/04/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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no they are not contaminated. I had quite a few other bags like this that turned out just fine. its most likely something with the dryness or moisture levels. The wet spots are clear moisture , not discolored at all. Im going to put them into a tub.
It could possibly be low moisture levels due to drying the grain out for too long.
There is zero discoloration its all white and they smell fine.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468551 - 02/04/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: no they are not contaminated. I had quite a few other bags like this that turned out just fine. its most likely something with the dryness or moisture levels. Im going to put them into a tub.
It could possibly be low moisture levels due to drying them out for too long.
There is zero discoloration its all white and they smell fine.
Alrighty. We'll be expecting some pin porn then.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: WeavieWonder]
#26468553 - 02/04/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol i hope so. are those PE in your tents?
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468555 - 02/04/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea i duno what exactly is going on but, It could be my heater drying the grain out.. Is it bad to use a heater? what do you guys do to keep the room temps up during witner?
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468556 - 02/04/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: no they are not contaminated. I had quite a few other bags like this that turned out just fine. its most likely something with the dryness or moisture levels. The wet spots are clear moisture , not discolored at all. Im going to put them into a tub.
It could possibly be low moisture levels due to drying the grain out for too long.
There is zero discoloration its all white and they smell fine.
So you prepped on the dry side and there’s standing water in the bags?.. sounds like bacteria to me. Just cause other bags “turned out fine” doesn’t mean they weren’t bacterial.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: feldman114]
#26468562 - 02/04/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im running a heater and my shit is fine.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: WeavieWonder]
#26468565 - 02/04/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Optimism is good, but I'm pretty sure I see some green.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468566 - 02/04/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i suppose there could be bacteria in there. Only 1 way to find out! I had more than a few tubs with bags like this that all went to 3 flushes just fine
There is always slight moisture in the bags that is clear, is that not normal? its not a significant amount.
grain prep is definitely the most time consuming trickiest part of this whole process. Im still fairly new at it trying to dial everything in.
Nah there is no green in the bags.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468586 - 02/04/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Contamination denial. It happens to EVERYONE. The trick to getting over it is to put into perspective the amount of your own time you're wasting fucking around with contaminated grain spawn. It adds up to be a lot.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468589 - 02/04/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: i suppose there could be bacteria in there. Only 1 way to find out! I had more than a few tubs with bags like this that all went to 3 flushes just fine
There is always slight moisture in the bags that is clear, is that not normal? its not a significant amount.
grain prep is definitely the most time consuming trickiest part of this whole process. Im still fairly new at it trying to dial everything in.
Nah there is no green in the bags.
Right. But if the bacteria wasn’t there you’d get more weight off your 1st flush than you did from all 3...
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468595 - 02/04/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes there could be bacteria and slightly bacterial grains can still produce, just not as well and not likely to handle an expansion well. I don't really see an issue spawning questionable jars like those and tossing if they go south.
No slight moisture in your bag/jars is not normal, it's a sign of issues or wet prep(which often leads to issues)
Try drying them longer if they keep coming out like that.
I'm not seeing green either, but some people have better eyes than me.
On a forum note, don't be that guy who asks for input then says "no they aren't contaminated" when that's the response. If you knew for sure, you wouldn't be asking.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: LtLurker]
#26468597 - 02/04/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Looks contam'd to me.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468598 - 02/04/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didnt think they were contaminated, but yea its a possibility for sure.
I think its more of a grain prep issue, Im trying to figure out what i am doing wrong or what I need to change.
but yea well see i dont mind trying to see if they still produce well or not.
How long are you drying your grain for? 1 hour? 2 hours? I believe these were dried for 1.5 - 2 hr
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: LtLurker]
#26468600 - 02/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ya those oats looked fucked
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468608 - 02/04/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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oats hold plenty of water on the inside, you want the exterior to look and feel pretty dry(minimal moisture left on a paper towel test).
More spread out grains are during drying, the faster they'll dry.
In winter i'll let them sit a full day in a strainer stirring occasionally just to make sure the exteriors are dry after hydrating. Summer's little easier since heat and direct sunlight will make quick work of it.
Just keep working on it and you'll find your sweet spot.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mushboy]
#26468613 - 02/04/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Any grain prep tips would be appreciated. I have ran the PC for oat prep about 10 times so far, still really new at this.
It seems bags are harder than jars but can fit much more in the PC.
Im drying oats for around 1.5 hrs, doing 2.5 hrs in the PC, wrapping the bags and bottom of PC in towels. Should I try drying longer?
I've also been told at higher altitude that the PC needs to be ran higher at 17-18 PSI. Is this true? Would I have to possibly PC it for more than 2.5 hrs as well?
I know baking and cooking in general at higher altitude is different and can take longer.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468625 - 02/04/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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1.5hrs drying shouldn't be enough unless they're spread out thin in the sun. add more time and feel them.
running 17-20 psi for 2 hrs at 1 mile high seems to be plenty for me.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468634 - 02/04/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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they are spread out fairly decent, but could be a bit thinner and I use a 20" fan also to speed it up. They seem ok when Put into paper towel just a couple tiny bits of moisture on the towel. Ill definitely add more dry time.
I plan to use some 2x4's to make a nice big frame and put a screen over it. For now I stapled some screens over some tupperware bins.. gets the job done for now.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: LtLurker]
#26468638 - 02/04/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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LtLurker said: oats hold plenty of water on the inside, you want the exterior to look and feel pretty dry(minimal moisture left on a paper towel test).
More spread out grains are during drying, the faster they'll dry.
In winter i'll let them sit a full day in a strainer stirring occasionally just to make sure the exteriors are dry after hydrating. Summer's little easier since heat and direct sunlight will make quick work of it.
Just keep working on it and you'll find your sweet spot.
Right on.  The most common mistake of preparing any grain is not compensating for exterior moisture. Oats need a little more tlc than other grains in that regard.
As for contamination, even if you're grain prep is on point, it won't much matter without a clean inoculant.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: WeavieWonder]
#26468642 - 02/04/20 02:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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These work great. Made these for about $20.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: WeavieWonder] 1
#26468646 - 02/04/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spawning shitty grain isn't worth it if you're running more than a couple tubs. The time it takes to prep subs, clean tubs, and wait 2 weeks just for it to tam on you is enough reason to chuck shitty spawn.

Those 10 bags were from my last grow and I tossed them cause I wasn't confident in them. The growth was all fucky, pooling metabs, and they just didnt look right and spawning them wasn't worth the effort it takes for them to just tam out down the line.
It's a serious loss and it sucks but it's better to toss now than waste coir, time, and hope.
If that's your only bag and you only grow a tub or 2 at a time, then i guess spawning aint that bad of an idea.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468662 - 02/04/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: Any grain prep tips would be appreciated. I have ran the PC for oat prep about 10 times so far, still really new at this.
It seems bags are harder than jars but can fit much more in the PC.
Im drying oats for around 1.5 hrs, doing 2.5 hrs in the PC, wrapping the bags and bottom of PC in towels. Should I try drying longer?
I've also been told at higher altitude that the PC needs to be ran higher at 17-18 PSI. Is this true? Would I have to possibly PC it for more than 2.5 hrs as well?
I know baking and cooking in general at higher altitude is different and can take longer.
Rinse with boiling water or at least max-hot tap water, then spread out on an old towel. 30-60 min wait max.
Edit: ops, you’re talking about oats, so the timing can be different. I use WBS.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: LadysKnight]
#26468758 - 02/04/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I still don't get the advantage of oats over, say millet. I read a lot about hydrating and drying and simmering and boiling but I can't see why that's needed.
I bring water to boil, take it of the hot plate. Dump my millet in and let it steep for one hour. Then I drain it into a sieve, shake a bit and let it sit for 15-30 mins. Put it in jars PC and that's it. No waiting, no checking moisture, nothing. And I had no contams with millet spawn. (Except for one time, when I knew that my inoculant dish was bacterial but still tried to fruit, bc I read it would work )
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: Prietenul]
#26468803 - 02/04/20 04:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The shells on some of the oats come off after soaking for 12+ hours, is this bad?
Also, is it ok to fan the oats when drying to speed up the process?
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468840 - 02/04/20 04:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mycopiss said: The shells on some of the oats come off after soaking for 12+ hours, is this bad?
Also, is it ok to fan the oats when drying to speed up the process?
It's fine. Also, fanning is okay. I usually put on a screen outside for a moment and they're good.
Consider an easier oat prep with no soak. Just boil, cool down and PC.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468871 - 02/04/20 04:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I tried the soaking because I kept getting a bunch of burst grains when using the boiling, no soak method.
How long do you lets yours dry for after boiling them zach?
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26468891 - 02/04/20 05:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think we are all way off the point that it's not the grain prep here. You have mold growing in your spawn. It's probably contaminated because you used spore syringes right? Like you didn't get this from agar did you? Also bags should be 15 psi for 3 hours at sea level.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: Sockadin]
#26469766 - 02/05/20 07:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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its not green, its bruising from what i can see. its more of a navy blue color. I used Agar.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26470249 - 02/05/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How long do you lets yours dry for after boiling them zach?
Just about 10 mins. I wait until I don't really see steam coming off of them.
I agree, though. I would say if your agar plates are really clean, it's gotta be something during grain inoculation.
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Re: What the hell is going on with my grain bags? [Re: mycopiss]
#26473259 - 02/07/20 03:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If youre referring to the pics from the op youre mistaken.
Judging by those pics alone those bags are sick. Af.
Edited by shevanel (02/07/20 03:54 AM)
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