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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26468386 - 02/04/20 12:05 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: There’s not an infinite amount of money so therefore every dollar Bezos has is a dollar someone else doesn’t have.
Not true. Money can and will expand and expand infinitely because we will never run out of ways to add more and more value to the things we buy and sell with money.
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For anyone else just think about it. Is there a finite amount of money or an infinite amount of money?
If you think the total amount of money is infinity dollars we have no framework for a discussion because you’re starting from an absurd and impossible premise.
If you accept the FACT that there is indeed a finite amount of money then the problem of a small number of people having a large percentage of the money should be self-explanatory. Even my dog understands that if another dog is eating a steak then that means she’s NOT eating that steak.
We’ve all played Monopoly... I think we see how this game ends right? It’s bad.
And in the land of ever shittier morals, it paints a bleak existence for those unlucky enough to not own the game..
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468387 - 02/04/20 12:05 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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deff said: the solution is to stop buying from amazon and instead buy from smaller more ethical companies 
Except there’s barely any left...because Amazon🤷🏻♂️
I very rarely buy anything from amazon and seem to find what I need from smaller stores here in Canada. it costs me a bit more but I really don't want to support amazon 
I don't disagree with you, but there is at least our purchasing choice we can control to some extent
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468388 - 02/04/20 12:05 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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People would be better off making 25 or more and hour, they are worth more. Priceless in fact. (well some aren't, but that's another thread, lol). How would giving more than "what the workers are worth" make ANY difference to a multi multi billionaire? How would giving up just a fraction of that wealth and distributing it to the workers hurt or be a detriment in ANY way to that one guy? (or the board?)
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Amanita86] 1
#26468391 - 02/04/20 12:07 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: I said Bezos treats his employees like shit.
That’s interesting though that he’s the one responsible for people living better than they did 100 years ago.
I’m just going to assume you don’t grasp the concept of what I’m getting at here. It’s refreshing to see the other responses and know I’m not alone on this ‘theory’ that I have.
I’m guessing you’re thinking in terms of stimulating the economy and lowering the price of normal goods? If so, you’re not accounting for all the businesses that shut down because of Amazon. Small businesses and consumers both use most of their incomes to stimulate the economy. Meanwhile, monopolies like Amazon are hoarding most of their income instead of pumping it back into the economy.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26468399 - 02/04/20 12:09 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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So how much money is there? Exactly?
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 2
#26468401 - 02/04/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: There’s not an infinite amount of money so therefore every dollar Bezos has is a dollar someone else doesn’t have.
Not true. Money can and will expand and expand infinitely because we will never run out of ways to add more and more value to the things we buy and sell with money.
ok
For anyone else just think about it. Is there a finite amount of money or an infinite amount of money?
If you think the total amount of money is infinity dollars we have no framework for a discussion because you’re starting from an absurd and impossible premise.
If you accept the FACT that there is indeed a finite amount of money then the problem of a small number of people having a large percentage of the money should be self-explanatory. Even my dog understands that if another dog is eating a steak then that means she’s NOT eating that steak.
Money is a placeholder for value. Money is finite at any given time but it's not fixed. So in this way it's infinite because it can always grow. If it grows faster than value that's inflation you could have millions and not be able to buy a loaf of bread. If value gets added its really easy to print more money. Your idea of a finite amount of dollars doesn't work though.
Everyone could be billionaires and we could all drive fast cars. If we created enough value for everyone. Money doesn't create value. If you give people with shit skills more money eventually the economy will correct itself they'll go back to being broke in comparison to everyone else. You can't fix people with monetary policy.
If you fight for 15/hr and get it then still do 7$ an hour work 15 turns into the new 7 because you didn't magically add 8 dollars of value per hour extra to your work ethic. Prices go up and you end up worse off than before because people with skills and intelligence will squeeze your new money sponge even harder because they got pissed off they had to pay you more than your worth
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468404 - 02/04/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Amazon treats their employees like shit.
I don’t understand why this is getting confusing.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: deff]
#26468405 - 02/04/20 12:10 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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deff said: the solution is to stop buying from amazon and instead buy from smaller more ethical companies 
Except there’s barely any left...because Amazon🤷🏻♂️
I very rarely buy anything from amazon and seem to find what I need from smaller stores here in Canada. it costs me a bit more but I really don't want to support amazon 
I don't disagree with you, but there is at least our purchasing choice we can control to some extent
Right, but your spending habits are, economically speaking, irregular. The vast majority of consumers in any large market look for the lowest price.
Yes, shopping elsewhere is a possible solution, but so is creating gold-shitting pigeons. It’s just not gonna happen, and Bezos knows it.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Amanita86]
#26468407 - 02/04/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Amazon treats their employees like shit.
I don’t understand why this is getting confusing.
Thought you were saying we live better than 100 years ago because of Bezos. Then I read back, and now I feel dumb.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468410 - 02/04/20 12:13 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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And I did not say there is infinite money. I said money can and will expand and expand infinitely because we will never run out of ways to add more and more value to the things we buy and sell with money.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468413 - 02/04/20 12:14 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: And I did not say there is infinite money. I said money can and will expand and expand infinitely because we will never run out of ways to add more and more value to the things we buy and sell with money.
Amazon’s share of “all” money is growing waaaaay quicker than the total.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468414 - 02/04/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468419 - 02/04/20 12:18 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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It’s all good, there’s a lot flying through this thread.
I just see a bad trend where the Amazon’s and Walmarts of the world take over and this place turns into China... we’re selling out the fuckin country and pretty soon everything is going to be a crumbling, shit hole, hood. It’s going to get bad..... you heard it here first gentlemen and gentlewomen... shit’s gonna get bad.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa] 1
#26468420 - 02/04/20 12:18 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Money is infinite.... resources are not.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26468421 - 02/04/20 12:19 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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And I also said that if this IS a zero- sum game ( meaning my gain is your loss if we are 2 players) then Jeff Bezos' could not amass such a fortune while simultaneously the standard of living globally is rising.
Amassing of a fortune and global rising of standard of living would be mutually exclusive in a zero-sum game.
Edit** Therefore.. no this is not a zero-sum game. And yes, there is plenty of icecream for everyone. You just have to go out and get yours instead of worrying about how much people like Bezos are eating.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Amanita86]
#26468428 - 02/04/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Money is infinite.... resources are not.
That's why we all need to prop up yet another billionaire, Elon Musk. That man is going to take us to where the resources are unlimited, space.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468431 - 02/04/20 12:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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feldman114 said: The question isn’t whether it’s normal or ethical or w.e... He said no one would be better off without Amazon
Is hating on other poasters all you’re capable of?
I understand what his point was, but his attempts to rationalize all of it is what got me. I wouldn't have to "hate on poasters" if people used a little more sense from time to time. Whose puppet are you, and how did you get your permaban reversed?
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468432 - 02/04/20 12:23 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: And I also said that if this IS a zero- sum game ( meaning my gain is your loss if we are 2 players) then Jeff Bezos' could not amass such a fortune while simultaneously the standard of living globally is rising.
Amassing of a fortune and global rising of standard of living would be mutually exclusive in a zero-sum game.
No they wouldn’t. Say the world GDP rose 10% in a year. Amazon’s growth can account for say 6% of it, and we’d still all be better off.
We’d just be exponentially better off without giants like Amazon.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468435 - 02/04/20 12:25 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26468440 - 02/04/20 12:29 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: And I also said that if this IS a zero- sum game ( meaning my gain is your loss if we are 2 players) then Jeff Bezos' could not amass such a fortune while simultaneously the standard of living globally is rising.
Amassing of a fortune and global rising of standard of living would be mutually exclusive in a zero-sum game.
No they wouldn’t. Say the world GDP rose 10% in a year. Amazon’s growth can account for say 6% of it, and we’d still all be better off.
We’d just be exponentially better off without giants like Amazon.
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