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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Amanita86] 2
#26468263 - 02/04/20 10:40 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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If you’re a small business owner who sells paintball guns on amazon and your business starts doing very well.
Amazon will see this, start buying the same product directly from the manufacturer and will cut you out of the equation by selling it themselves.
Their was a documentary on this where people shared their experiences with selling on Amazon.
So in fact. They do create a situation that takes money away from you to benefit themselves.
Edit: bezos wanted to originally name Amazon , “Relentless” , and still do this day. Relentless.com will still take you to amazon.com
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Big Worm]
#26468278 - 02/04/20 10:51 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Amazon has ~800,000 employees according to google search a second ago.
129 billion / 800k = Everyone gets a 6 figure raise
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Big Worm]
#26468286 - 02/04/20 10:56 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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So you buy something and resell it for a little profit.. someone else buys it with larger economies of scale and also sells it but cheaper.
You go out of business.
That's just business. 
Nothing is stopping someone from coming up with an even better than Amazon method of hustling paintball guns. 3D print-at-home paintball guns or some shit.
And no, if the money was not in your possession, it was not yours to begin with and therefore taking your customers is NOT equal to taking money from you.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468287 - 02/04/20 10:57 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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There’s not an infinite amount of money so therefore every dollar Bezos has is a dollar someone else doesn’t have.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468295 - 02/04/20 11:02 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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He could pay his people like 25 bucks an hour though,even more really. The whole fucking concept of greed, capitalism, and corporatism is sickening, but, here we are, and it will never stop. You are right, it is how one wants to play "the game" and things must be sacrificed and done (usually stepping on heads and paying shit wages) to get to a certain level. Luckily I'm prepared for retirement and will not want/need for anything (hopefully). I could die on the way home today actually. I'm with qman on this, he said it right! (and some others as well)
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26468298 - 02/04/20 11:04 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: There’s not an infinite amount of money so therefore every dollar Bezos has is a dollar someone else doesn’t have.
Not true. Money can and will expand and expand infinitely because we will never run out of ways to add more and more value to the things we buy and sell with money.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26468307 - 02/04/20 11:09 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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He could pay his people like 25 bucks an hour though,even more really. The whole fucking concept of greed, capitalism, and corporatism is sickening, but, here we are, and it will never stop. You are right, it is how one wants to play "the game" and things must be sacrificed and done (usually stepping on heads and paying shit wages) to get to a certain level. Luckily I'm prepared for retirement and will not want/need for anything (hopefully). I could die on the way home today actually. I'm with qman on this, he said it right! (and some others as well)
Is the work worth 25 bucks an hour though, or is that arbitrarily what you think off the top of your head they should make? Wage earning employees don't sit at the profit sharing table. And what they make is not arbitrary.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 2
#26468325 - 02/04/20 11:25 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: But qman,
You, me, and Bezos are already in a game. Bezos has taken the lead it seems. I don't know where you stand, but I'm either in 2nd or 3rd place.
None of the 3 of us made any of of the rules because... well we haven't gone to Washington....yet. Sounds like Bezos has sent emissaries or lobbyists or someone to push for changes in his favor. I'm not familiar with the goings on, but you say so I thinks. Maybe he's thrown some money around in exchange for consideration of what is good for Amazon or even his own personal accounts or taxes.
Has any of that had even the slightest impact on yours or my abilities to also go out and build an empire of our own? Only if you think economics is a zero-sum game.
Zero sum means if Bezos earns a dollar, either you lose a dollar, I lose a dollar, or we both lose an amount that totals a dollar to Bezos.
That is not the case in economics! That is not the case with Jeff's fat stacks.
We have not earned less money and are not disadvantaged in any way because he earned more. Same holds true for his employees.
If there is a bottomless bucket of icecream.. why you trippin because some people want to try to eat all the icecream? Who cares! You can try to eat all the icecream, too and there's even enough for me to do the same... in a non-zero-sum game.
It is called creating wealth.
And there is no bottom to the bucket because nothing is perfect. There will always be more and more complex problems to solve that will have greater and greater rewards for those that solve them.
Along with nothing being perfect, nothing is fair either when all things are considered. I won't speak to what this class or that class and what they should or shouldn't have because if you have a refrigerator, a computer, and a cell phone.. you've got a higher standard of living than like 90% of people who were alive 100 years ago. I don't think I know a single person without these things. I've even seen homeless folks with cell phones and tablets.
How is all that possible if Jeff Bezos has all the money? How is that possible if this is a zero-sum game?

You're attempting to rationalize the massive game rigging that results in Bezos obtaining hundreds of billions of dollars with humans benefiting from technological gains, that's a fallacious argument.
"It's called creating wealth"
Which is perfectly fine, but we're not discussing that issue, we're discussing that billionaires rig the system to make sure they get even wealthier at the expense of others. Also, no one is suggesting it's a zero sum game, but I am suggesting that most of his wealth comes at the expense of others.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 2
#26468326 - 02/04/20 11:25 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Opportunity doesn’t seem “infinite” in China..
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 2
#26468331 - 02/04/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: A quick Googling reveals Amazon has 750,000 employees.
How many of those people do you think have kids and are able to feed them because Amazon exists and is crushing their game?
I mean, Bezos is putting food in over a million mouths every day just by employing 750,000 people.
I'm not buying any starving kid bs personally.
Not that there do not exist starving children, but what about the other 7.6 billion people on this planet? How many are they feeding on the daily? Not as many as they could be I bet. Surely not as many as Amazon Jeff.
Once again...greedy, self-absorbed, and short-sighted. You're part of the decadence in this world that needs to die off.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 3
#26468333 - 02/04/20 11:31 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said:
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1234go said:
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susurrador said: If there is a bottomless bucket of icecream.. why you trippin because some people want to try to eat all the icecream? Who cares!
Because there are too many starving children around the world who don't even have access to the bucket. Sounds greedy, and self-absorbed.
A quick Googling reveals Amazon has 750,000 employees.
How many of those people do you think have kids and are able to feed them because Amazon exists and is crushing their game?
I mean, Bezos is putting food in over a million mouths every day just by employing 750,000 people.
I'm not buying any starving kid bs personally.
Not that there do not exist starving children, but what about the other 7.6 billion people on this planet? How many are they feeding on the daily? Not as many as they could be I bet. Surely not as many as Amazon Jeff.
Employing people and making massive profit margins off of their labor isn't a noble act, it's just business and nothing more. If they weren't working for Amazon, they would be working for another company that distributes products. Amazon isn't doing anything amazing here, so enough for thanking them for making money and giving their workers crumbs to feed their children.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Amanita86]
#26468358 - 02/04/20 11:47 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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Negative. That is not at all what I'm doing.
I said I won't speak to your talking points about the middle class and what you think the middle class should have because it is also probably an arbitrary vision not based on anything real.
I brought up the standard of living to note that simultaneously Jeff Bezos has amassed his fortune while the standard of living has also risen for most people globally compared to 100 years ago. Even people in 3rd world countries are likely living at least a little easier than their family members were 100 years ago.
That is a testament to Bezos not actually taking money out of anyone's pockets because the money supply is not finite. If it were he would not be able to amass a fortune (not to mention all the other people making bank out there, also not keeping money out of people's hands) at the same time that the average persons quality of life is climbing.
And by suggesting most of Bezos' wealth comes at the expense of others..... you are literally defining a zero-sum game but just saying you are not.
Wikipedia defines a zero-sum game as:
In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 1
#26468362 - 02/04/20 11:53 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: Negative. That is not at all what I'm doing.
I said I won't speak to your talking points about the middle class and what you think the middle class should have because it is also probably an arbitrary vision not based on anything real.
I brought up the standard of living to note that simultaneously Jeff Bezos has amassed his fortune while the standard of living has also risen for most people globally compared to 100 years ago. Even people in 3rd world countries are likely living at least a little easier than their family members were 100 years ago.
That is a testament to Bezos not actually taking money out of anyone's pockets because the money supply is not finite. If it were he would not be able to amass a fortune (not to mention all the other people making bank out there, also not keeping money out of people's hands) at the same time that the average persons quality of life is climbing.
And by suggesting most of Bezos' wealth comes at the expense of others..... you are literally defining a zero-sum game but just saying you are not.
Wikipedia defines a zero-sum game as:
In game theory and economic theory, a zero-sum game is a mathematical representation of a situation in which each participant's gain or loss of utility is exactly balanced by the losses or gains of the utility of the other participants.
Mhm, and how does all that jive with the fact that amazon has pushed hundreds, if not thousands, of small businesses into bankruptcy? Plenty of people working on the conveyor belt would be operating mom-and-pop businesses if it weren’t for this giant monopoly that allows no competition.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26468365 - 02/04/20 11:56 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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because....
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: 1234go]
#26468372 - 02/04/20 11:58 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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the solution is to stop buying from amazon and instead buy from smaller more ethical companies
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: 1234go]
#26468373 - 02/04/20 11:59 AM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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susurrador said: A quick Googling reveals Amazon has 750,000 employees.
How many of those people do you think have kids and are able to feed them because Amazon exists and is crushing their game?
I mean, Bezos is putting food in over a million mouths every day just by employing 750,000 people.
I'm not buying any starving kid bs personally.
Not that there do not exist starving children, but what about the other 7.6 billion people on this planet? How many are they feeding on the daily? Not as many as they could be I bet. Surely not as many as Amazon Jeff.
Once again...greedy, self-absorbed, and short-sighted. You're part of the decadence in this world that needs to die off.
I drive a 19 year old Honda and live in a short bus that runs but not well. You have no idea the masses of people I had to trample on my way up the ladder to get to this point.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: 1234go]
#26468375 - 02/04/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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The question isn’t whether it’s normal or ethical or w.e... He said no one would be better off without Amazon
Is hating on other poasters all you’re capable of?
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: deff]
#26468377 - 02/04/20 12:00 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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deff said: the solution is to stop buying from amazon and instead buy from smaller more ethical companies 
Except there’s barely any left...because Amazon🤷🏻♂️
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468378 - 02/04/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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TheFakeSunRa said: There’s not an infinite amount of money so therefore every dollar Bezos has is a dollar someone else doesn’t have.
Not true. Money can and will expand and expand infinitely because we will never run out of ways to add more and more value to the things we buy and sell with money.
ok
For anyone else just think about it. Is there a finite amount of money or an infinite amount of money?
If you think the total amount of money is infinity dollars we have no framework for a discussion because you’re starting from an absurd and impossible premise.
If you accept the FACT that there is indeed a finite amount of money then the problem of a small number of people having a large percentage of the money should be self-explanatory. Even my dog understands that if another dog is eating a steak then that means she’s NOT eating that steak.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26468379 - 02/04/20 12:01 PM (4 years, 13 days ago) |
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I said Bezos treats his employees like shit.
That’s interesting though that he’s the one responsible for people living better than they did 100 years ago.
I’m just going to assume you don’t grasp the concept of what I’m getting at here. It’s refreshing to see the other responses and know I’m not alone on this ‘theory’ that I have.
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