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Last night's election was an utter fiasco—a meltdown of small-d democracy—in which the system simply failed. As Eric Levitz wrote in New York magazine, the caucuses "effectively produced a five-hour-long infomercial for the Democratic Party's administrative incompetence, broadcast across all of the major news networks." And it wasn't the first such failure either.
- Reason.com
I know this is a libertarian publication, but I occasionally read their articles. They have some really good ones sometimes.
Anywayyyys... This is demonstration of the sort of foundational arguments that a Bernie Sanders 3rd party could persuasively make, in the general election. The Democrats never accomplish shit in Washington. They can't even run a caucus.
Certainly this sort of argument will be made by Donald Trump, in the general election.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] 3
#26471123 - 02/05/20 09:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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For those that appreciate Krystal Ball, she provides more proof Iowa was rigged:
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Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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LSA Woodrose said: Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?
I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#26472907 - 02/06/20 09:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.
Yes and no. I mean, I agree with you in spirit. The problem I see, however, is that the democratic electorate has now been inextricably tethered to our leadership, since we have become so much more polarized in the current political climate. I don't have any hard stats, but if I had to guess, I would say that a record low number of people than ever before in history are going to be voting across party lines. Again, I could be wrong, but I suspect that the undercurrent of tribalism and divisiveness, which is at a record high in the United States, means that in a very real sense, we are tethered to our leaders. Perhaps in a way that was never true before. I think the same is true for Republicans, more and more of whom are just as inseparably bound to Trump and his cronies, come what may.
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I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.
Yes and no. I mean, I agree with you in spirit. The problem I see, however, is that the democratic electorate has now been inextricably tethered to our leadership, since we have become so much more polarized in the current political climate. I don't have any hard stats, but if I had to guess, I would say that a record low number of people than ever before in history are going to be voting across party lines. Again, I could be wrong, but I suspect that the undercurrent of tribalism and divisiveness, which is at a record high in the United States, means that in a very real sense, we are tethered to our leaders. Perhaps in a way that was never true before. I think the same is true for Republicans, more and more of whom are just as inseparably bound to Trump and his cronies, come what may.
I think that was more true in 2016, than it is now. Republicans and Democrats are beginning to find common ground, once again. Tucker Carlson has even been extending an olive branch to the left-wing (I still haven't figured out his angle). You know, I honestly do try to find common ground with conservatives, whenever I can.
Guns, for instance. I don't give a shit about banning guns. The root of the problem has nothing to do with guns, in my mind. Marijuana is an issue that many Republicans have made concessions on. And the president, I don't buy into this vile hatred bullshit. We don't need to hate him, we just need to replace him with something better.
I reject the notion that I am personally responsible for the tomfuckery of the Democratic leadership. I don't have one shred of embarrassment, and neither should you. I am of a different wing of the Democratic party anyway. The Bernie wing. The progressive wing. Not the corporatist, crony, fascist wing.
Texas, of all places, is starting to turn purple. We are winning.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said: I reject the notion that I am personally responsible for the tomfuckery of the Democratic leadership. I don't have one shred of embarrassment, and neither should you. I am of a different wing of the Democratic party anyway. The Bernie wing. The progressive wing. Not the corporatist, crony, fascist wing.
Texas, of all places, is starting to turn purple. We are winning.
All that I agree with, leading me to think you may have misunderstood me. I am not saying we should be embarrassed by behavior like Pelosi's, for instance, only that I am. And I am not saying that we are, literally and absolutely tethered to our leaders. Only that this is the perception.
That said, I really hope you're right about the left and right finding common ground. I have a lot of conservative friends, and we have some interesting, often lively discussions. So, I, too, try to find common ground.
It just always seems to me that when the Repuublicans go on a rant about us dems, that they are lumping everyone into the same little basket. And from my experience, the folks on our side seem to be no better. Most of the liberals I know actually believe that just by virtue of being a Republican, a person must be uneducated, a gun nut, a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, intolerant, white supremacist bigot. And so many dems really believe this. If you ask a lot of Republicans, they think we're all a bunch of anti-American, woke snowflake socialists, who want to shove gay and trans issues down everyone's collective throats and abolish religion and gun ownership.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Congrats on 50 posts.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Congrats on 50 posts.
lol Thanks!
It didn't seem to help, though. I even tried logging out and then back in to try and see if my account reset. But I still can't post in the Sponsor's Forum. I just PM'd LogicaL Chaos, to see if he could sort this out for me with the admins.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] 2
#26472969 - 02/06/20 09:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?
I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.
The DNC and the Iowa Democratic Party are totally separate entities.
The fact that Biden did terribly in Iowa should be the end of all this establishment conspiracy bullshit.
In other news Buttigieg is now tied with Sanders in New Hampshire polling
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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Bigbadwooof said: I reject the notion that I am personally responsible for the tomfuckery of the Democratic leadership. I don't have one shred of embarrassment, and neither should you. I am of a different wing of the Democratic party anyway. The Bernie wing. The progressive wing. Not the corporatist, crony, fascist wing.
Texas, of all places, is starting to turn purple. We are winning.
All that I agree with, leading me to think you may have misunderstood me. I am not saying we should be embarrassed by behavior like Pelosi's, for instance, only that I am. And I am not saying that we are, literally and absolutely tethered to our leaders. Only that this is the perception.
That said, I really hope you're right about the left and right finding common ground. I have a lot of conservative friends, and we have some interesting, often lively discussions. So, I, too, try to find common ground.
It just always seems to me that when the Repuublicans go on a rant about us dems, that they are lumping everyone into the same little basket. And from my experience, the folks on our side seem to be no better. Most of the liberals I know actually believe that just by virtue of being a Republican, a person must be uneducated, a gun nut, a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, intolerant, white supremacist bigot. And so many dems really believe this. If you ask a lot of Republicans, they think we're all a bunch of anti-American, woke snowflake socialists, who want to shove gay and trans issues down everyone's collective throats and abolish religion and gun ownership.
That is the media narrative. Remember the public bathrooms issue that sprung up out of nowhere? Nobody gave a shit about what bathrooms trans people use. It was a pure media fabrication, but it really got conservatives stirred up. SJW's are a very small subset of liberals. Their influence on the liberal agenda is waning by the day.
The media keeps people focused on social issues, so nobody pays attention to the real economic issues that this country faces. It is disgustingly effective.
I would say the majority of my friends are Republicans. A lot of lefties just tend to be too snarky, though they are usually more intelligent. I really do like a lot of conservatives, they tend to be more positive, easy going people. Unfortunately, those kinds of people don't like to get down into the weeds of policy.
I will also say, a lot of my conservative friends are racist. I can't tell you how many uncomfortable conversations I find myself in, because of race issues. The fucked up thing is, they are not generally bad people. They just have shit views on some things, because of their upbringing.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] 2
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LSA Woodrose said: Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?
I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.
The DNC and the Iowa Democratic Party are totally separate entities.
The fact that Biden did terribly in Iowa should be the end of all this establishment conspiracy bullshit.
In other news Buttigieg is now tied with Sanders in New Hampshire polling
I assure you, you haven't heard the end of it.
Buttigieg donated $40,000 to this company "Shadow", that created the app, that was a total piece of shit. There were countless math errors, all working in buttigiegs favor. They counted the votes from Buttigieg win districts first. Buttigieg won at least one coin flip that I know of. The DNC took over for the Iowa Democratic Party at one point, and then started giving Bernie votes to unviable candidates. They were caught doing so, on fucking twitter. The corporate board of Shadow are former Clinton staffers. Clinton's former campaign manager 'tested' the software..
What the fuck are you talking about? This whole thing has clearly been orchestrated to present Buttigieg as the victor, and give him the momentum, going into NH.
No, you have not heard the end of it.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods]
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koods said: So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude
It's about sniping delegates, so that super delegates get a vote, dude. Pull your head out of your ass. Bloomberg said as much. He doesn't even want to be president.
Buttigieg had the best chance of sniping the most delegates in the first two states. Beyond that, he will not be favored by the DNC.
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koods said: So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude
You’re the most naive person on this forum.
Everyone in the race besides Sanders Yang and Gabbard are the DNC establishment candidate.
You think Pete has all these billionaire donors for no reason? Lmao
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said: You think Pete has all these billionaire donors for no reason? Lmao
They're betting on him to win, don't you know, Ecstatic!?!
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To be fair Mayor Pete isn’t the establishment’s first choice, but he’s what’s left since Biden flopped.
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The Ecstatic said: Everyone in the race besides Sanders Yang and Gabbard are the DNC establishment candidate.
You already said something to that effect. The point is, they want to choose whatever candidate they want. So, they want to snipe as many delegates as they can from Bernie, because he's the clear frontrunner.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] 1
#26473209 - 02/07/20 02:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: The fact that Biden did terribly in Iowa should be the end of all this establishment conspiracy bullshit.
What are you talking about? Buttigieg is establishment.
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koods said: So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude
You’re the most naive person on this forum.
Everyone in the race besides Sanders Yang and Gabbard are the DNC establishment candidate.
You think Pete has all these billionaire donors for no reason? Lmao
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