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Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! * 2
    #26468046 - 02/04/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The Democrats can't even run a proper fucking election... How in the "blue" fuck, does anyone expect them to run the country? The only vote they'll be getting from me is a vote of 'no confidence'.

Same goes for the media, as the only news organization that's doing any journalism on the Democratic primary is Fox News. The App that was used to submit votes during the caucus was created by a company whose CEO, CFO, and other corporate staff were all members of former Clinton campaigns. Last election is was created by Microsoft.

Hmm, nothing to see here folks! There's no tomfuckery afoot, but it seems Buttigieg may be pulling an upset in Iowa!


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468051 - 02/04/20 07:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Same goes for the media, as the only news organization that's doing any journalism on the Democratic primary is Fox News.




If you're getting your news from a reputable source, which all of the mainstream news networks have proven themselves not to be, this isn't even remotely true.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Forrester]
    #26468072 - 02/04/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Same goes for the media, as the only news organization that's doing any journalism on the Democratic primary is Fox News.




If you're getting your news from a reputable source, which all of the mainstream news networks have proven themselves not to be, this isn't even remotely true.




I don't watch Fox News...


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Forrester] * 3
    #26468073 - 02/04/20 08:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Koods owes me an apology.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26468077 - 02/04/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Koods owes me an apology.




For rigging the primary?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26468082 - 02/04/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't watch Fox News...




does anybody watch fox news? :lol:

No I wasn't saying that, just that there's loads of people doing journalism on the corruption of the DNC other than fox "news".


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #26468091 - 02/04/20 08:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Koods owes me an apology.



Even koods knew it was obvious Bernie won, yet none of the mainstream news is reporting it that way.  They're all calling the outcome 'uncertain'.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #26468109 - 02/04/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26468127 - 02/04/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Koods owes me an apology.



For?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] * 1
    #26468177 - 02/04/20 09:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Koods owes me an apology.



For?




Voting for Hillary Clinton.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468186 - 02/04/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It’s been four years. Get over it. Jesus Christ.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods]
    #26468194 - 02/04/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It’s been four years. Get over it. Jesus Christ.




Lmao!!!

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I'm really trying to get over it.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468248 - 02/04/20 10:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

More posts from the New York Times.

Here's a few of their earlier posts from last night before anyone realized there would be larger 'problems':
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Reid Epstein, with Buttigieg in Des Moines 8:20 PM ET

The Bernie Sanders campaign app is down, his precinct captain here said. He had planned to text supporters through the app but was calling instead.




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Reid Epstein, with Buttigieg in Des Moines 9:25 PM ET

Melanie Weatherall caucused for Biden in Johnston, but refused to realign to another candidate when he was not viable. “Nobody else can beat Trump.”




The NY Times is really milking this 'uncertainty' for all they can...

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Maggie Astor, reporting from Des Moines 11:21 PM ET

"We know there’s delays, but we know one thing — we are punching above our weight," Amy Klobuchar told supporters in a hotel ballroom in Des Moines.




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Astead Herndon, with Warren in Des Moines 11:36 PM ET

Warren: "It's too close to call, but I'm just going to tell you what I do know: As the baby daughter of a janitor, I'm so glad to be on this stage tonight."




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Thomas Kaplan, with Biden in Des Moines 11:37 PM ET

“We’re going to walk out of here with our share of delegates,” Biden says. “We feel good about where we are.”




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Reid Epstein, with Buttigieg in Des Moines 12:26 AM ET

Buttigieg essentially declares himself the winner in Iowa: “Because by all indications we are going on to New Hampshire victorious.”




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Shane Goldmacher, reporting from Des Moines 1:13 AM ET

Klobuchar campaign chief says they believe they’re close to Biden. No numbers are public so campaigns can set their own narratives.




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Maggie Astor, reporting from Des Moines 1:53 AM ET

Buttigieg aide basing victory claim on reports from 77% of their precinct captains. But we can’t say that’s representative or confirm their results.




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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468260 - 02/04/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468265 - 02/04/20 10:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It is my understanding that the weirdness of the Iowa caucus system may be the main problem here, in combination with the app failure. In Iowa, you stand up and announce your candidate. Well, if your candidate fails to meet a certain percentage for that round, you can then go on to announce for a different candidate. Given that there are so many candidates, and so many permutations of this process, it can be extremely confusing.

I would bet that the confusing nature of this method, plus the whole digital imbroglio, is what is creating this crisis.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468267 - 02/04/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'll STRONGLY disagree.  If an establishment candidate won, I believe we'd have the results by now.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468268 - 02/04/20 10:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Evidence?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468288 - 02/04/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Evidence?




Evidence: Last election we had results at a reasonable time the night of the caucus.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468290 - 02/04/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Evidence of what I believe?

Here's a few reasons I feel this way:

1.  We already suspected the DNC would rig this against non-establishment candidates
2.  It was a clear win by Bernie based on the initial results, but all the establishment candidates are now claiming victory and the media are reporting the results as 'uncertain' or even a win for the other candidates (see this post)
3.  Even if there were problems, these should be worked out today.  But now we're being warned it might take longer than expected.
4.  What wooof said.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468299 - 02/04/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Evidence?




Evidence: Last election we had results at a reasonable time the night of the caucus.





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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468300 - 02/04/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If you have evidence of a conspiracy, post it. There's really no reason for conspiracy theories. If they were going to screw Bernie, they would not be able to keep it hidden.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468312 - 02/04/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Conspiracy or blatant stupidity, gotta choose one or the other. :justdontknow:

Probably a perfect mix of both if history has anything to say about it. :trollersgonnatroll:


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468343 - 02/04/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If you have evidence of a conspiracy, post it. There's really no reason for conspiracy theories. If they were going to screw Bernie, they would not be able to keep it hidden.



Did you click on any of the links from my last post?  And did you ever watch this 'must watch' video yet?


Remember, I said that I strongly believe this, not that it's 100% certain.

This reminds me of a Russian joke I recently heard.  Most Russians know about something called the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle".  The joke is that a man suspects his wife of cheating on him, so instead of going to work one day, he decides to spy on his house from a distance.  He then sees another man enter the house and go into the bedroom with his wife.  Suddenly, the curtains close and the guy says "damn that Heisenberg uncertainty principle".


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468353 - 02/04/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, well, I meant evidence of a conspiracy happening right now in Iowa, not potentials for one. But that's neither here nor there. I don't believe the DNC will try to commit election fraud in the Iowa Democratic Caucus. That just doesn't seem plausible to me. Manipulate Bernie politically? Absolutely. But I don't think they could ever get away with deliberately falsifying vote counts, if they would even try to do such a thing.

And I'm not convinced that all this is the reason for the delay. I have already posted my guess. I acknowledge that the Democratic Party doesn't want Bernie, and will do all they can to keep him off the ticket. But I do not believe this includes election fraud.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #26468380 - 02/04/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If you have evidence of a conspiracy, post it. There's really no reason for conspiracy theories. If they were going to screw Bernie, they would not be able to keep it hidden.




I've already posted evidence of a conspiracy. There was an app that voting locations submitted their results through. Each location had it's own pin. Many locations couldn't even download the app, and many of the PINs didn't work.

The App was developed by a company owned and operated by former Clinton staffers, including her former campaign manager Robby Mook. Last election, the app was created by microsoft, and worked just fine.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26468385 - 02/04/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There is a paper trail, or was supposed to be a paper trail, as I understand it. They said as much on the radio yesterday before voting started.

So this should be all easy to sort out.

That said, if we do have a paper trail, what the fuck is taking so long?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26468389 - 02/04/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

https://twitter.com/Salem4Congress/status/1224732296626016256?s=20

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I am now hearing that the Sanders campaign sent workers to every caucus to record the live results.

The DNC was unaware of this. When their early tallies did not match the recorded results from campaign workers, his campaign had 5 lawyers contact the DNC. Now they’re meeting.




Don't know who Salem Snow is, but if there is any truth to this, it makes things a bit interesting.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468519 - 02/04/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Okay, well, I meant evidence of a conspiracy happening right now in Iowa, not potentials for one. But that's neither here nor there. I don't believe the DNC will try to commit election fraud in the Iowa Democratic Caucus. That just doesn't seem plausible to me. Manipulate Bernie politically? Absolutely. But I don't think they could ever get away with deliberately falsifying vote counts, if they would even try to do such a thing.

And I'm not convinced that all this is the reason for the delay. I have already posted my guess. I acknowledge that the Democratic Party doesn't want Bernie, and will do all they can to keep him off the ticket. But I do not believe this includes election fraud.



I agree with you that they won't falsify the vote counts.  But when I saw how well Bernie was doing in Iowa, I thought to myself "how are they going to stop his momentum?"  Now we know.  And we'll see a lot more fuckery soon.

I provided my reasoning for why I think this delay is intentional.  Let's hear your reasoning why it's so difficult to add 9 numbers together in today's day and age.  :popcorn:

Even the New York Times, before they realized what was happening, said this:

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Trip Gabriel, reporting from Dubuque 11:52 PM ET

Why is it taking so long to report results? Nearly 1,700 caucuses fill out worksheets like this, then report multiple results.





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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468539 - 02/04/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't put it beneath the DNC to have the mentality of "well if trump can rig elections why cant we!!!"


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468578 - 02/04/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe you're right, I don't know. I get that they don't like Bernie, but a concerted conspiracy? Just seems unworkable, especially if they're this incompetent. Just my :twocents:


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468605 - 02/04/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If one even chalks it up to gross incompetence, I really can believe that Iowa and the DNC did this....after all the vitriol of Trump, finally, those on the other side put forth their efforts to start the politcal process and have thier say who they choose; only for it to wash out?

How much ammunition did they just give Trump? There have been rumblings of Bern getting bent over way before this happened.....lets disenfranchise more voters!!!


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468615 - 02/04/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe you're right, I don't know. I get that they don't like Bernie, but a concerted conspiracy? Just seems unworkable, especially if they're this incompetent. Just my :twocents:




Unworkable, why? What sort of checks and balances are there on the party? There was a concerted, conspiratorial effort in 2016.

To be perfectly honest, there are going to be shenanigans this election. There's really no question. Last time Bernie was a threat, but this time he's the likely nominee. In fact, I would be so bold as to say unless something unforeseen occurs, Bernie is likely to be the next POTUS.

Biden is out of the race now, and Pete Buttigieg is only competitive in the first two states, because he dumped all his money there. He polls terribly with minorities, and pretty much every demographic outside of NH and Iowa. So who will be the establishment candidate? Klobuchar? I don't think so. Maybe Warren can recoup some of what she has lost, I don't know.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468635 - 02/04/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So are you alleging full-scale electoral fraud at a state level? That'd be tough to pull off, wouldn't it? It would come out right away.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468655 - 02/04/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It depends on what you mean by "fraud".

Do I think they'll post fake numbers?  No.

Do I think they'll delay the results a lot longer?  Well, they already warned results might not be released today.


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    #26468664 - 02/04/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that I can see. Latest I've read is that half the numbers will be out at 5 EST. If it's much past that, the fuckery argument, beyond sheer incompetence, gains a lot of steam. :mad2:


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    #26468671 - 02/04/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

7 minutes and counting.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: christopera]
    #26468728 - 02/04/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

62% reporting  Votes
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Pete Buttigieg – 26.9% 36,262
Bernie Sanders – 25.1% 33,793
Elizabeth Warren – 18.3% 24,623
Joe Biden – 15.6% 21,038
Source: The Associated Press.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468752 - 02/04/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So are you alleging full-scale electoral fraud at a state level? That'd be tough to pull off, wouldn't it? It would come out right away.




Bloomberg donates $300,000 to the DNC, and suddenly they change the rules so that he is allowed to enter the race after Iowa. I have very little faith in the democratic party to be fair. They are literally talking about changing the rules to allow super delegates to vote in the first round, so that they can vote against Bernie.

And just exactly what in the fuck is going on right now? The killed Iowa for Bernie. The only benefit to Iowa is the press, and they have prevented Bernie from that media attention.

To be perfectly honest with you, of the two of us, I'm the pragmatic one. I'm not suggesting that the DNC took part in out-right fraud, and I don't think I have suggested that, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them. I don't know that they would even care if they get caught.

Last election, they threw 200,000 voters off the voter rolls in the Burroughs of NY, where Bernie grew up. Those are his people. They just denied lifelong Democrats, potential Bernie voters, the right to vote.

Oh, and let me add... You've got former Hillary Clinton staffers on the corporate board of a company called 'Shadow', that created the app, that is fucking Iowa right now. Last election you had Debbie Wasserman Schults, former hillary Clinton campaign manager pulling all sorts of shenanigans to fuck Bernie over. She was forced to step down from her position in the DNC.


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    #26468959 - 02/04/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, I'm not really disagreeing with any of that. I know the DNC and everyone associated with it are corrupt as hell. My original point, and all I've really been trying to say, was that, probably, the delay in vote-counting in Iowa was simple incompetence. And that, in all likelihood, the DNC was not colluding to make the results fraudulent. All I was referring to was this one topic, the delay, today. I have no love for the DNC or the Democratic Party.

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #26469025 - 02/04/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, I'm not really disagreeing with any of that. I know the DNC and everyone associated with it are corrupt as hell. My original point, and all I've really been trying to say, was that, probably, the delay in vote-counting in Iowa was simple incompetence. And that, in all likelihood, the DNC was not colluding to make the results fraudulent. All I was referring to was this one topic, the delay, today. I have no love for the DNC or the Democratic Party.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with your general position at all.




Fair enough. I'm not trying to be abrasive, btw, if it read that way. I just want to point out, also, that if it turns out Bernie did indeed win the Iowa caucus, then there surely is some tomfuckery afoot. They are only releasing 60% of the vote, and my theory is that the 60% they chose to release has been cherry picked, to allow Pete Buttigieg to claim victory.

As Falcon already pointed out, millions of ballots have already been distributed in California. People are more likely to vote for someone who has momentum. Iowa is all about momentum. My theory is that they are not releasing the numbers, because they want to slow Bernie's momentum. Winning Iowa brings in lots of donations. If Pete is running around, looking like the winner, he is receiving those donations.

It wasn't incompetence, when they misreported all of those poll results on CNN, MSN, etc. They don't get the benefit of the doubt from me anymore, and if their narrative ends up requiring me to believe that they are incompetent, and also, by some strange coincidence, the results they've allowed us to view til now show a loser as the winner, well, that's requiring too much.


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    #26469056 - 02/04/20 06:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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    #26469131 - 02/04/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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For?




For acting like everyone was being hysterical for thinking stupid shit like this would happen.




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    #26469148 - 02/04/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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    #26469153 - 02/04/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, I'm not really disagreeing with any of that. I know the DNC and everyone associated with it are corrupt as hell. My original point, and all I've really been trying to say, was that, probably, the delay in vote-counting in Iowa was simple incompetence. And that, in all likelihood, the DNC was not colluding to make the results fraudulent. All I was referring to was this one topic, the delay, today. I have no love for the DNC or the Democratic Party.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with your general position at all.




Fair enough. I'm not trying to be abrasive, btw, if it read that way. I just want to point out, also, that if it turns out Bernie did indeed win the Iowa caucus, then there surely is some tomfuckery afoot. They are only releasing 60% of the vote, and my theory is that the 60% they chose to release has been cherry picked, to allow Pete Buttigieg to claim victory.

As Falcon already pointed out, millions of ballots have already been distributed in California. People are more likely to vote for someone who has momentum. Iowa is all about momentum. My theory is that they are not releasing the numbers, because they want to slow Bernie's momentum. Winning Iowa brings in lots of donations. If Pete is running around, looking like the winner, he is receiving those donations.

It wasn't incompetence, when they misreported all of those poll results on CNN, MSN, etc. They don't get the benefit of the doubt from me anymore, and if their narrative ends up requiring me to believe that they are incompetent, and also, by some strange coincidence, the results they've allowed us to view til now show a loser as the winner, well, that's requiring too much.





I think there's a lot of plausibility there. One would hope for some type of Bernie surge at some point to make all this hairsplitting in states like Iowa completely moot. But as you point out, one needs to build as much momentum as possible in such a large field, and even supposing there were no subterfuge in Iowa, the delay itself hurts Bernie quite a bit.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26469245 - 02/04/20 08:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

CNN was showing it as if 91% of the vote had been counted, when only 62% had been counted... And Wolf Blitzer comes out 'oooooopsiiie daaaaaaiiissie'



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
    #26469297 - 02/04/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pete donated 40K or something to the app company

:canthelpbutlaugh:


Now, the results for the iowa caucus have been cut off at 62% so that every mainstream news network could advertise pete is in the lead

Like, why would they have taken a break at 62%? Why not halfway? why not 2/3? Why not 3/4?

I am kinda glad I'm not American I probably would have gone ape shit over this situation, I dunno how you guys deal with this kinda nonsensical shit. Boggles the mind. The whole process, the whole election just seems fucked. No wonder Trump won. Won't be surprised if he wins again TBH.

The DNC seriously shooting itself in the foot here, especially with the bloomberg bullshit, now this...and I bet they have a whole pipeline of bullshit ready to unload on Bernie



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26469302 - 02/04/20 09:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Better yet, who trusts the accuracy of the 62% that is reporting?

Its got to be Russian collusion. :cookiemonster:


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    #26469325 - 02/04/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Pete donated 40K or something to the app company

:canthelpbutlaugh:


Now, the results for the iowa caucus have been cut off at 62% so that every mainstream news network could advertise pete is in the lead

Like, why would they have taken a break at 62%? Why not halfway? why not 2/3? Why not 3/4?

I am kinda glad I'm not American I probably would have gone ape shit over this situation, I dunno how you guys deal with this kinda nonsensical shit. Boggles the mind. The whole process, the whole election just seems fucked. No wonder Trump won. Won't be surprised if he wins again TBH.

The DNC seriously shooting itself in the foot here, especially with the bloomberg bullshit, now this...and I bet they have a whole pipeline of bullshit ready to unload on Bernie



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman]
    #26469824 - 02/05/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hey everybody, remember me?  I mention it in other threads that the DNC would fuck over Bernie.  Also it look like they have empowered the superdelegates to pick the correct establishment candidate.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: starfire_xes] * 3
    #26469930 - 02/05/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, a lot of us made that prediction.  It's clearly true.  :thumbup:


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    #26470094 - 02/05/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

But the Democratic Party are just impartial servants of their voterbase! Stop being hysterical.


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    #26470109 - 02/05/20 11:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

How long until we get to hear Hillary's thoughts on the matter? I can't wait.


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    #26470113 - 02/05/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

so i guess its really true, they would prefer to see trump win over bernie

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    #26470179 - 02/05/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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    #26470346 - 02/05/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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But the Democratic Party are just impartial servants of their voterbase! Stop being hysterical.


Anyways Tulsi Gabbard is clearly an asset of the Kremlin




She's not an asset, she's a Toadie... Get it right dude.


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    #26470617 - 02/05/20 04:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Y’all see where the Iowa Democrats released updated precinct reports from Black County that contradicted the Black County Supervisor’s own results that were already made public?

They managed to make a correction within 10 minutes.

An amazing feat considering it’s taken them over 2 days to report the Polk County numbers that they already have and are simply sitting on. Polk County encompasses Des Moines, where Sanders got over 60% of the vote.

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    #26470693 - 02/05/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Did they update it?  I'm trying to find county by country results, but have been unsuccessful.


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I’ve been seeing random screenshots on twitter but there’s no comprehensive source for precinct by precinct because the Iowa Dems ceased all numbers reporting Monday night for “quality control.”


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    #26470725 - 02/05/20 05:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Y’all see where the Iowa Democrats released updated precinct reports from Black County that contradicted the Black County Supervisor’s own results that were already made public?

They managed to make a correction within 10 minutes.

An amazing feat considering it’s taken them over 2 days to report the Polk County numbers that they already have and are simply sitting on. Polk County encompasses Des Moines, where Sanders got over 60% of the vote.

So strange!




Honestly, this is a bombshell. It wouldn't be such a big issue, if they didn't take so long to release the results and 'accuracy check' them.


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I’ve been seeing random screenshots on twitter but there’s no comprehensive source for precinct by precinct because the Iowa Dems ceased all numbers reporting Monday night for “quality control.”



Yeah, that what it seems like.  I don't think they fixed it yet in the totals.  :shrug:


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Last night's election was an utter fiasco—a meltdown of small-d democracy—in which the system simply failed. As Eric Levitz wrote in New York magazine, the caucuses "effectively produced a five-hour-long infomercial for the Democratic Party's administrative incompetence, broadcast across all of the major news networks." And it wasn't the first such failure either.


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Anywayyyys... This is demonstration of the sort of foundational arguments that a Bernie Sanders 3rd party could persuasively make, in the general election. The Democrats never accomplish shit in Washington. They can't even run a caucus.

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    #26471123 - 02/05/20 09:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

For those that appreciate Krystal Ball, she provides more proof Iowa was rigged:



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    #26472890 - 02/06/20 09:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?


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    #26472899 - 02/06/20 09:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?




I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.


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    #26472907 - 02/06/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.




Yes and no. I mean, I agree with you in spirit. The problem I see, however, is that the democratic electorate has now been inextricably tethered to our leadership, since we have become so much more polarized in the current political climate. I don't have any hard stats, but if I had to guess, I would say that a record low number of people than ever before in history are going to be voting across party lines. Again, I could be wrong, but I suspect that the undercurrent of tribalism and divisiveness, which is at a record high in the United States, means that in a very real sense, we are tethered to our leaders. Perhaps in a way that was never true before. I think the same is true for Republicans, more and more of whom are just as inseparably bound to Trump and his cronies, come what may.


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    #26472920 - 02/06/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.




Yes and no. I mean, I agree with you in spirit. The problem I see, however, is that the democratic electorate has now been inextricably tethered to our leadership, since we have become so much more polarized in the current political climate. I don't have any hard stats, but if I had to guess, I would say that a record low number of people than ever before in history are going to be voting across party lines. Again, I could be wrong, but I suspect that the undercurrent of tribalism and divisiveness, which is at a record high in the United States, means that in a very real sense, we are tethered to our leaders. Perhaps in a way that was never true before. I think the same is true for Republicans, more and more of whom are just as inseparably bound to Trump and his cronies, come what may.




I think that was more true in 2016, than it is now. Republicans and Democrats are beginning to find common ground, once again. Tucker Carlson has even been extending an olive branch to the left-wing (I still haven't figured out his angle). You know, I honestly do try to find common ground with conservatives, whenever I can.

Guns, for instance. I don't give a shit about banning guns. The root of the problem has nothing to do with guns, in my mind. Marijuana is an issue that many Republicans have made concessions on. And the president, I don't buy into this vile hatred bullshit. We don't need to hate him, we just need to replace him with something better.

I reject the notion that I am personally responsible for the tomfuckery of the Democratic leadership. I don't have one shred of embarrassment, and neither should you. I am of a different wing of the Democratic party anyway. The Bernie wing. The progressive wing. Not the corporatist, crony, fascist wing.

Texas, of all places, is starting to turn purple. We are winning.


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    #26472933 - 02/06/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I reject the notion that I am personally responsible for the tomfuckery of the Democratic leadership. I don't have one shred of embarrassment, and neither should you. I am of a different wing of the Democratic party anyway. The Bernie wing. The progressive wing. Not the corporatist, crony, fascist wing.

Texas, of all places, is starting to turn purple. We are winning.




All that I agree with, leading me to think you may have misunderstood me. I am not saying we should be embarrassed by behavior like Pelosi's, for instance, only that I am. And I am not saying that we are, literally and absolutely tethered to our leaders. Only that this is the perception.

That said, I really hope you're right about the left and right finding common ground. I have a lot of conservative friends, and we have some interesting, often lively discussions. So, I, too, try to find common ground.

It just always seems to me that when the Repuublicans go on a rant about us dems, that they are lumping everyone into the same little basket. And from my experience, the folks on our side seem to be no better. Most of the liberals I know actually believe that just by virtue of being a Republican, a person must be uneducated, a gun nut, a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, intolerant, white supremacist bigot. And so many dems really believe this. If you ask a lot of Republicans, they think we're all a bunch of anti-American, woke snowflake socialists, who want to shove gay and trans issues down everyone's collective throats and abolish religion and gun ownership.


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lol Thanks!

It didn't seem to help, though. I even tried logging out and then back in to try and see if my account reset. But I still can't post in the Sponsor's Forum. I just PM'd LogicaL Chaos, to see if he could sort this out for me with the admins.


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    #26472969 - 02/06/20 09:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?




I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.




The DNC and the Iowa Democratic Party are totally separate entities.

The fact that Biden did terribly in Iowa should be the end of all this establishment conspiracy bullshit.

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I reject the notion that I am personally responsible for the tomfuckery of the Democratic leadership. I don't have one shred of embarrassment, and neither should you. I am of a different wing of the Democratic party anyway. The Bernie wing. The progressive wing. Not the corporatist, crony, fascist wing.

Texas, of all places, is starting to turn purple. We are winning.




All that I agree with, leading me to think you may have misunderstood me. I am not saying we should be embarrassed by behavior like Pelosi's, for instance, only that I am. And I am not saying that we are, literally and absolutely tethered to our leaders. Only that this is the perception.

That said, I really hope you're right about the left and right finding common ground. I have a lot of conservative friends, and we have some interesting, often lively discussions. So, I, too, try to find common ground.

It just always seems to me that when the Repuublicans go on a rant about us dems, that they are lumping everyone into the same little basket. And from my experience, the folks on our side seem to be no better. Most of the liberals I know actually believe that just by virtue of being a Republican, a person must be uneducated, a gun nut, a racist, misogynist, homophobe, transphobe, intolerant, white supremacist bigot. And so many dems really believe this. If you ask a lot of Republicans, they think we're all a bunch of anti-American, woke snowflake socialists, who want to shove gay and trans issues down everyone's collective throats and abolish religion and gun ownership.




That is the media narrative. Remember the public bathrooms issue that sprung up out of nowhere? Nobody gave a shit about what bathrooms trans people use. It was a pure media fabrication, but it really got conservatives stirred up. SJW's are a very small subset of liberals. Their influence on the liberal agenda is waning by the day.

The media keeps people focused on social issues, so nobody pays attention to the real economic issues that this country faces. It is disgustingly effective.

I would say the majority of my friends are Republicans. A lot of lefties just tend to be too snarky, though they are usually more intelligent. I really do like a lot of conservatives, they tend to be more positive, easy going people. Unfortunately, those kinds of people don't like to get down into the weeds of policy.

I will also say, a lot of my conservative friends are racist. I can't tell you how many uncomfortable conversations I find myself in, because of race issues. The fucked up thing is, they are not generally bad people. They just have shit views on some things, because of their upbringing.


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    #26472985 - 02/06/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, this whole Iowa thing was one, huge cluster-f*ck from start to finish. We dems looked like a bunch of dilettantes and bumbling idiots. Everyone is pointing their fingers at the app, but seriously, how freaking stupid do we look right now?




I don't think we look stupid at all. Democratic leadership looks incompetent. Voters, we're just voters, and we're stuck dealing with these losers, until they are replaced.




The DNC and the Iowa Democratic Party are totally separate entities.

The fact that Biden did terribly in Iowa should be the end of all this establishment conspiracy bullshit.

In other news Buttigieg is now tied with Sanders in New Hampshire polling




I assure you, you haven't heard the end of it.

Buttigieg donated $40,000 to this company "Shadow", that created the app, that was a total piece of shit. There were countless math errors, all working in buttigiegs favor. They counted the votes from Buttigieg win districts first. Buttigieg won at least one coin flip that I know of. The DNC took over for the Iowa Democratic Party at one point, and then started giving Bernie votes to unviable candidates. They were caught doing so, on fucking twitter. The corporate board of Shadow are former Clinton staffers. Clinton's former campaign manager 'tested' the software..

What the fuck are you talking about? This whole thing has clearly been orchestrated to present Buttigieg as the victor, and give him the momentum, going into NH.

No, you have not heard the end of it.


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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude


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    #26473004 - 02/06/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude




It's about sniping delegates, so that super delegates get a vote, dude. Pull your head out of your ass. Bloomberg said as much. He doesn't even want to be president.

Buttigieg had the best chance of sniping the most delegates in the first two states. Beyond that, he will not be favored by the DNC.


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    #26473010 - 02/06/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude




You’re the most naive person on this forum.

Everyone in the race besides Sanders Yang and Gabbard are the DNC establishment candidate.


You think Pete has all these billionaire donors for no reason? Lmao


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You think Pete has all these billionaire donors for no reason? Lmao




:laugh2:

They're betting on him to win, don't you know, Ecstatic!?!

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    #26473049 - 02/06/20 10:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

To be fair Mayor Pete isn’t the establishment’s first choice, but he’s what’s left since Biden flopped.


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Everyone in the race besides Sanders Yang and Gabbard are the DNC establishment candidate.




You already said something to that effect. The point is, they want to choose whatever candidate they want. So, they want to snipe as many delegates as they can from Bernie, because he's the clear frontrunner.


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    #26473209 - 02/07/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The fact that Biden did terribly in Iowa should be the end of all this establishment conspiracy bullshit.



What are you talking about?  Buttigieg is establishment.

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In other news Buttigieg is now tied with Sanders in New Hampshire polling



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    #26473217 - 02/07/20 02:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude



You’re the most naive person on this forum.

Everyone in the race besides Sanders Yang and Gabbard are the DNC establishment candidate.


You think Pete has all these billionaire donors for no reason? Lmao



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    #26473363 - 02/07/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The plan at this stage (besides literally changing vote totals) is to let Pete take a victory lap for a caucus he didn’t actually win, in the hopes he can win or get a close second in New Hampshire. Pete still has no support among blacks or Latinos so he’s basically done after New Hampshire regardless, but the ruling class is just praying that preventing some Sanders wins in early states will keep him from steamrolling everyone on Super Tuesday.


And they’re deliberately avoiding talking about Biden slipping in the hopes he (and Bloomberg) can siphon enough delegates to prevent Sanders winning on the first ballot.


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He doesn't even act/look gay, I bet he's a closet heterosexual.


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He doesn't even act/look gay, I bet he's a closet heterosexual.




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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude




He doesn't even act/look gay, I bet he's a closet heterosexual.




Maybe, but he was just on Bill Maher talking about moving his boyfriend into the White House.


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The First Man?

Have we ever had a president that wasn’t married? Honest question.


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I think we had one.


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He doesn't even act/look gay, I bet he's a closet heterosexual.




Maybe, but he was just on Bill Maher talking about moving his boyfriend into the White House.




Only a closet heterosexual would put such strong emphasis on that issue. :shrug:


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    #26473710 - 02/07/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Only a closet heterosexual would put such strong emphasis on that issue. :shrug:




I disagree. A Democrat, trying to win certain voter demographic with identity politics certainly would.

Why does anyone give a shit if someone is gay. It perplexes me, utterly. Am I going to fuck you? No. So, why is it any of my concern? I don't divulge the nitty gritty of my sex life to the world, and I don't care about anyone else's, unless I'm going to be fucking them.


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    #26473725 - 02/07/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pete tried to say that blacks people dont like him because he’s gay, despite having an atrocious record on race.


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    #26473767 - 02/07/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Pete tried to say that blacks people dont like him because he’s gay, despite having an atrocious record on race.




Thankfully for Pete, gay white men can't be racist. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman] * 1
    #26473786 - 02/07/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Pete has so little minority support that Biden will move back into second place when they finally go some place that has nonwhites.


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    #26473840 - 02/07/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Pete has so little minority support that Biden will move back into second place when they finally go some place that has nonwhites.




Everyone is aware of this lol.

In fact, Pete wouldn't have done good in Iowa or NH, if he didn't dump all of his resources there.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26473951 - 02/07/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The plan at this stage (besides literally changing vote totals) is to let Pete take a victory lap for a caucus he didn’t actually win, in the hopes he can win or get a close second in New Hampshire. Pete still has no support among blacks or Latinos so he’s basically done after New Hampshire regardless, but the ruling class is just praying that preventing some Sanders wins in early states will keep him from steamrolling everyone on Super Tuesday.


And they’re deliberately avoiding talking about Biden slipping in the hopes he (and Bloomberg) can siphon enough delegates to prevent Sanders winning on the first ballot.




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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
    #26473995 - 02/07/20 02:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Pete tried to say that blacks people dont like him because he’s gay, despite having an atrocious record on race.




Thankfully for Pete, gay white men can't be racist. :cookiemonster:








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    #26474224 - 02/07/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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christopera said: Have we ever had a president that wasn’t married? Honest question.



Turns out that James Buchanan never married though if Buttigieg becomes POTUS,
he may not end up being the first gay president.:blush:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan#Personal_life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._King#Relationship_with_James_Buchanan

Also curious is the fact that up until now, no president except R. Reagan
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #26474552 - 02/07/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And it's funny because Reagan and Trump were the two that asked for and received the support of the evangelicals the most. W was a genuine born again Christian and he didn't play this card nearly as much.


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    #26474617 - 02/07/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hey look guys I found something that is gonna make koods dislike Mayor Pete, he’s getting money from a Russian oligarch:



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Fucking capital A, man.
Enemy of my enemy, huh?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26474722 - 02/07/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If Pete's a Russian asset he will have to announce Tulsi as his running mate.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26474876 - 02/08/20 01:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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koods said:
So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude




It's about sniping delegates, so that super delegates get a vote, dude. Pull your head out of your ass. Bloomberg said as much. He doesn't even want to be president.

Buttigieg had the best chance of sniping the most delegates in the first two states. Beyond that, he will not be favored by the DNC.




God this sense of entitlement is over the top. Buttigieg didn’t snipe delegates, he won them. Why do you think he doesn’t want to be president. That is a ridiculous claim.


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    #26474882 - 02/08/20 01:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Hey look guys I found something that is gonna make koods dislike Mayor Pete, he’s getting money from a Russian oligarch:





How much was the donation?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] * 2
    #26474909 - 02/08/20 02:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Welp, after all the extra time Iowa took to get it right, people sure did find a lot of errors:

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1225597908369780742


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    #26474923 - 02/08/20 02:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Iowa was a total shitshow. The entire process was Byzantine, but if they were really trying to steal delegates don’t you think they would do a better job of hiding it. The publicly released data clearly shows there was an error in reporting: The final alignment numbers are correct.



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] * 1
    #26474926 - 02/08/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Iowa was a total shitshow. The entire process was Byzantine, but if they were really trying to steal delegates don’t you think they would do a better job of hiding it.



They CAN'T hide it.  And yet Buttigieg still gained 10 points in New Hampshire out of it.

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The publicly released data clearly shows there was an error in reporting: The final alignment numbers are correct.





What are you showing here?  Sanders has half the SDE's of what he was supposed to get and Warren has double.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26474965 - 02/08/20 04:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It shows that sanders and warrens SDEs don’t match their final alignment numbers. The fact that this data is faulty is self evident. The Iowa process is absurdly cumbersome and prone to error. But it also has a lot of redundancy, which makes error checking a bit easier. Anyone can look at those numbers and realize something is wrong.

Buttigieg did much better than expected that’s why he got a bump.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] * 2
    #26475038 - 02/08/20 07:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Hey look guys I found something that is gonna make koods dislike Mayor Pete, he’s getting money from a Russian oligarch:





How much was the donation?




IDK but Moscow Mitch got 2.5 million. How can he even complain about that nickname?


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    #26475091 - 02/08/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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So the gay guy nobody heard of six months ago is really the secret DNC establishment candidate? Come on dude




It's about sniping delegates, so that super delegates get a vote, dude. Pull your head out of your ass. Bloomberg said as much. He doesn't even want to be president.

Buttigieg had the best chance of sniping the most delegates in the first two states. Beyond that, he will not be favored by the DNC.




God this sense of entitlement is over the top. Buttigieg didn’t snipe delegates, he won them. Why do you think he doesn’t want to be president. That is a ridiculous claim.




I said Bloomberg said he's not running to become president. He's running to snipe delegates so that the convention will be contested.

There are multiple accounts of the DNC giving votes to Buttigieg that he didn't earn, firstly. There are multiple accounts of incorrect rounding, which favored Buttitgieg (Ie, rounding 4.43 to 5, in their little 'formula'). There are many accounts of Bernie's numbers being incorrectly rounded in a way that was disadvantageous to him. Many of Bernie's votes were divvied up between other candidates (some not even viable).

There is a record of all of this.

If you're going to play dumb, I really don't have time for it. There's a reason the DNC 'took over' for the Iowa Democratic party, for the first time in the history of ever. There's a reason the app, created by 'shadow', failed. There's a reason we still don't have results, and Pete gets to continue running around, masquerading as the victor, when he tied at best.

Pete got all the benefit from winning Iowa, and Pete didn't win Iowa.

Bernie had people video recording every single event in Iowa. We already know the numbers.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] * 1
    #26475096 - 02/08/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It shows that sanders and warrens SDEs don’t match their final alignment numbers. The fact that this data is faulty is self evident. The Iowa process is absurdly cumbersome and prone to error. But it also has a lot of redundancy, which makes error checking a bit easier. Anyone can look at those numbers and realize something is wrong.

Buttigieg did much better than expected that’s why he got a bump.




It also shows Sanders getting fucked each and every fucking time.


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    #26475241 - 02/08/20 10:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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IDK but Moscow Mitch got 2.5 million. How can he even complain about that nickname?



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: koods] * 2
    #26475311 - 02/08/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It shows that sanders and warrens SDEs don’t match their final alignment numbers. The fact that this data is faulty is self evident. The Iowa process is absurdly cumbersome and prone to error.



Exactly.  The current numbers are heavily skewed against Sanders.

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But it also has a lot of redundancy, which makes error checking a bit easier. Anyone can look at those numbers and realize something is wrong.



And how long will it take to look at the obviously long numbers and make a correction?  Not until after New Hampshire is my guess at this point.  I never would have believed the cheating would be so blatantly obvious, but that's what it's looking like now.

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Buttigieg did much better than expected that’s why he got a bump.



He got a bigger bump than he deserved because everyone is reporting him as the winner, even though everyone knows the results are wrong.



Honest reporting would show the results as 'still unknown' not 'here are the results that are clearly wrong showing Buttigieg winning'.

I agree with Wooof:  "If you're going to play dumb, I really don't have time for it."


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    #26475315 - 02/08/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Hey look guys I found something that is gonna make koods dislike Mayor Pete, he’s getting money from a Russian oligarch:





How much was the donation?




Aren’t your eyes supposed to roll back in your head when you see the word Russia? Who cares how much it was.


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    #26475345 - 02/08/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Aren’t your eyes supposed to roll back in your head when you see the word Russia? Who cares how much it was.



They always have before.  But now it's ok I guess.  Because, you know, Buttigieg.


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    #26475388 - 02/08/20 12:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

As if there aren’t a dozen other disqualifying things about Pete.

Look he just SOUNDS smart, and I LIKE him, and choosing the leader of the free world is like choosing my favorite contestant on Survivor.


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Does pete have anything good to offer?

Is he for medical care for all? Raising taxes on people with highest incomes??


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Does pete have anything good to offer?

Is he for medical care for all? Raising taxes on people with highest incomes??




He's gay.


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He's a younger,  smarter version of Bernie.


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He's a younger,  smarter version of Bernie.




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    #26477890 - 02/10/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well now, it's getting interesting.  It seems there are errors galore on the worksheets that tally votes, but they are saying something like you can't correct the erroneous worksheets because they are considered legal documents and tampering with them would amount to a crime.

It's a madhouse.

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But when the party delivers its updated results, which it has promised to do on Monday, they may hardly reassure candidates and voters, after internal emails from Saturday night revealed that the party would not correct even blatant errors in the official handwritten tally sheets from individual precincts.

Those records, known as “caucus math worksheets,” cannot be changed even if they contain mistakes, according to the lawyer for the Iowa Democratic Party, because they are a legal record and altering them would be a crime.




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    #26478064 - 02/10/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here’s a visual representation of the precinct errors in Iowa, and who was undercounted and overcounted:





Pretty obvious here that BY SHEER COINCIDENCE Bernie’s totals were undercounted the most and Pete’s numbers were overcounted the most.

Then the cherry on top is that despite receiving a fraction of a percent more SDE’s, Pete somehow nets 17% more national delegates. This is what a rigged game looks like folks.


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Rigged?  Why would they rig anything in favor of Mayor Pete?


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Rigged?  Why would they rig anything in favor of Mayor Pete?




I can't tell if you're just fucking around...


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It's a fair question.  What possible reason would they have to choose Mayor Pete, of all possibilities?


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    #26478165 - 02/10/20 09:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

To depress Bernie’s delegate count and momentum in an attempt to prevent him from winning 51% of delegates, which would ensure a Sanders nomination on the first ballot. They’ve been pretty explicit about this.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26478167 - 02/10/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The DNC sees in Pete what the NYT sees In Amy Klobuchar: a hollow husk they can repurpose to try to keep Sanders’ campaign from emerging as the clear frontrunner.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478175 - 02/10/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And how would that benefit the DNC?


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    #26478181 - 02/10/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26478183 - 02/10/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

But Petey has no real chance past NH. He made history as the first openly alphabet person to win Iowa, which is cool. But there’s just no way he’ll get anywhere near those numbers anywhere else.


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    #26478186 - 02/10/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Stopping Sanders? I mean, the Democrats have existed as a bulwark against left populism for some time now. Whether they’re trying to protect their corporate donors, trying to protect their own gravy train, or just stopping Bernie out of spite for making them look bad, it’s probably some combination of all that.

We know for a fact from Wikileaks dumps that Tom Perez himself worked to diminish Sanders at the behest of Hillary in 2016 (the same Tom Perez that Obama inserted into the DNC chair race to prevent Keith Ellison from winning).


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26478188 - 02/10/20 09:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So, if Bernie gets the nomination, DNC employees get fired?  Do you have anything to support this theory?


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    #26478189 - 02/10/20 09:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I can’t really answer your question without you telling me what you think the motives and/or purpose of the DNC is.

Depending on your perspective, Trump winning in 2016 “helped” the DNC.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478196 - 02/10/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The clear purpose of the DNC is to maximize the efficacy of the campaigns of democratic nominees.

Do you see a different purpose?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26478204 - 02/10/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So, if Bernie gets the nomination, DNC employees get fired?  Do you have anything to support this theory?




Are you being deliberately obtuse? Of course Bernie isn’t going to fire everyone at the DNC as soon as he takes the stage in Milwaukee, it’s slightly more complicated than that. But the circular gravy train of corporate donors and fat consultancy contracts (like the morons who made the app for Iowa who just happened to be run by a Dem megadonor) would diminish, if not cease completely. They’re trying to protect their own money because protecting corporate money is the only way they get those checks in the first place.


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    #26478207 - 02/10/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The clear purpose of the DNC is to maximize the efficacy of the campaigns of democratic nominees.






Lol no. They’re literally blacklisting vendors who dare to work for progressive primary challengers. Come on, you’re too smart to be as naive as koods.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478209 - 02/10/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol, you think corporate donors are going to disappear?  Bernie will become president and all of a sudden, corporations will stop trying to influence elections?

Wow, dude.  I didn't realize how much you idolize your new messiah.


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    #26478211 - 02/10/20 09:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The clear purpose of the DNC is to maximize the efficacy of the campaigns of democratic nominees.






Lol no. They’re literally blacklisting vendors who dare to work for progressive primary challengers. Come on, you’re too smart to be as naive as koods.



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    #26478217 - 02/10/20 09:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26478223 - 02/10/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No, I'm going to tell you that "people challenging incumbents" and "progressives" are not synonyms.  Of course they're going to try to discourage people from unseating democrats.  That lines up perfectly with their purpose:

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    #26478224 - 02/10/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

But if you really want to, this article about leading Democrats (and people like Pete Buttigieg) meeting time formulate a plan to kneecap the “efficacy of campaigns for a democratic nominee” is from April 2019, from noted conspiracy rag NYT

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    #26478229 - 02/10/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don’t think Biden and Pete are classified as incumbents?

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    #26478230 - 02/10/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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No, I'm going to tell you that "incumbent" and "progressive" are not synonyms.  Of course they're going to try to discourage people from unseating democrats.  That perfectly serves their purpose:

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The clear purpose of the DNC is to maximize the efficacy of the campaigns of democratic nominees.








Tell me, if a democrat unseats another democrat how many democrat seats are lost?

I’m not gonna litigate this with you, punishing progressive candidates in congressional races is not much different than kneecapping the progressive candidate in the presidential race. I think it’s pretty obvious.


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    #26478233 - 02/10/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You're the one opining that only "progressive" candidates are being punished.  From your own source, it sounds like anyone challenging an incumbent is being punished.

Of course, Bernie isn't challenging a democratic incumbent, so why would he be punished?


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    #26478242 - 02/10/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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But if you really want to, this article about leading Democrats (and people like Pete Buttigieg) meeting time formulate a plan to kneecap the “efficacy of campaigns for a democratic nominee” is from April 2019, from noted conspiracy rag NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html




Interesting article. Sounds like they’re cornered and they know it:
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“If he is consistently raising $6 million more than his next closest opponent, he’s going to have a massive financial advantage,” said Rufus Gifford, former President Barack Obama’s 2012 finance director, noting that Mr. Sanders would be able to blanket expensive and delegate-rich Super Tuesday states like California and Texas with ads during early voting there.

Mr. Gifford, who has gone public in recent days with his dismay over major Democratic fund-raisers remaining on the sidelines, said of Mr. Sanders, “I feel like everything we are doing is playing into his hands.”

But the peril of rallying the party’s elite donor class against a candidate whose entire public life has been organized around confronting concentrated wealth is self-evident: Mr. Sanders would gleefully seize on any Stop Bernie effort.

“You can see him reading the headlines now,” Mr. Brock mused: “‘Rich people don’t like me.’”




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    #26478261 - 02/10/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You're the one opining that only "progressive" candidates are being punished.  From your own source, it sounds like anyone challenging an incumbent is being punished.

Of course, Bernie isn't challenging a democratic incumbent, so why would he be punished?




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So we agree he's not being punished?


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    #26478288 - 02/10/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No we agree that you don’t have a clue as to why he would be


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I don't.  I don't see him being punished, either.


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    #26478295 - 02/10/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That doesn’t surprise me.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26478299 - 02/10/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if Bernie's going to have any chance in November, he can't run on the "victim" platform.  He's going to have to move beyond that image and if his supporters can't move past that mentality, he's done.


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    #26478303 - 02/10/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

unless the DNC actually tries to push him out, reinforcing his “victim” argument.

He’s no freshman, he’ll play it smart either way. He’s determined to win this time imo.


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    #26478306 - 02/10/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The victim argument loses either way....even if true.  Painting Bernie as a victim of mainstream democrats still splits the party, leaving Bernie without enough support to beat Trump.

Bernie can convert the victim narrative to the underdog narrative, which can win.  Whether he does remains to be seen.


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    #26478318 - 02/10/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

He’s a champion of the working class, which has actually been a victim of corporate greed. Just saying, it may work better than you think because voters relate to being shafted.


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    #26478319 - 02/10/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a fair question.  What possible reason would they have to choose Mayor Pete, of all possibilities?




It is a good question, I guess.

The reason that I see for doing this, is that they don't want a frontrunner. They want the delegates spread between as many candidates as possible, so that it will be a contested convention. That way, Super Delegates are allowed to vote, and they have more of an argument for choosing an establishment figure that they like.

Basically, if the convention is contested, Democratic leadership gets to choose the nominee. That's a lot of power.

I personally believe that these mathematical errors would have been largely in Biden's favor, had he had any sort of foundation to stand on in Iowa. Pete was just the best candidate to push.

Case and point: Bloomberg has already said he is running to prevent Bernie from winning, not to be the nominee. He has no shot of winning. He's trying to snipe delegates. He's a Republican.


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    #26478371 - 02/10/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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What possible reason would they have to choose Mayor Pete, of all possibilities?



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    #26478375 - 02/10/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?


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So do you recommend he accept the fake results?



You say they're fake.

I recommend that Bernie fight to win the election by gathering popular support...not by whining about some caucus or another.


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    #26478458 - 02/10/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.


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Sure, but Bernie isn't going to be President for more than a year or two.


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    #26478464 - 02/10/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I recommend that Bernie fight to win the election by gathering popular support...not by whining about some caucus or another.



He is.  It's some of his supporters who are complaining about the results.

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    #26478467 - 02/10/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Those supporters need to get with the program if they want their messiah to win.


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    #26478536 - 02/10/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interestingly, I went to the url at the bottom of your graph:  tinyurl.com/r2ns2za

It shows these results:

                                            Sanders Buttigieg
Current IDP SDE results    562.497  564.012        1.515  Pete Lead
Adjustments from Errors      2.615      -1.816      +4.431 Bernie gain
Adjusted Caucus Results  565.112  562.196        2.916 Bernie Lead


If true, that's pretty messed up.  It shows sources, but I don't know how to validate them.  It was clearly true they messed up after the first round was over though...


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    #26478546 - 02/10/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

When Russia purchases Facebook ads to influence our election it requires sanctions, multiple congressional investigations, and wall to wall media coverage.

When the Democratic Party is openly trying to kneecap it’s own frontrunner: pipe down you sycophants, don’t be so conspiratorial.


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Who cares if the Party is rigging votes?! Just focus on getting the votes they’re gonna rig!


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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.




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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.




Yet, there's no wall like Trump promised.




It’s being funded and even built though. Do you really think Republicans want to spend that money? They kinda have to pretend for their own careers.

The idea that a wall can help anyone has been normalized among Republicans. Why can’t wealth redistribution be normalized among Dems?

I’m not saying Bernie can overhaul the whole system, but he’ll have more power than just signing executive orders and vetoing shit. The presidency bears certain weight beyond the legal presidential functions.


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:whathesaid:

The President has a tremendous amount of influence on things.


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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.




Yet, there's no wall like Trump promised.




It’s being funded and even built though. Do you really think Republicans want to spend that money? They kinda have to pretend for their own careers.

The idea that a wall can help anyone has been normalized among Republicans. Why can’t wealth redistribution be normalized among Dems?

I’m not saying Bernie can overhaul the whole system, but he’ll have more power than just signing executive orders and vetoing shit. The presidency bears certain weight beyond the legal presidential functions.




https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-to-reduce-budget-request-for-border-wall-11581257308

It's a joke and isn't even close to being funded adequately.


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    #26478594 - 02/10/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The President has a tremendous amount of influence on things.




Yet, 1. Trump promised economic tariffs to return jobs back to the US, it never happened. 2. Trump promised trillions in infrastructure investment, it never happened. 3. Trump promised immigration reform, it never happened. 4 Trump promised to stop engaging to stupid military actions around the globe, it never happened. 5. Trump promised middle class tax cuts, it never happened. 6. Trump promised a border wall, it never happened.

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It's a joke and isn't even close to being funded adequately




Whats  funny about that too is the people who really want the wall don’t pay very much taxes or consider taxation theft .  It’s not haha funny more of a sad funny .

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It appears Trump doesn't influence a dam thing.




Or everything the guy we all agree lies all the time promised you was bullshit . Are any of those things you listed going to make his businesses more profitable ? 


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It's a joke and isn't even close to being funded adequately




Whats  funny about that too is the people who really want the wall don’t pay very much taxes or consider taxation theft .  It’s not haha funny more of a sad funny .

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It appears Trump doesn't influence a dam thing.




Or everything the guy we all agree lies all the time promised you was bullshit . Are any of those things you listed going to make his businesses more profitable ? 




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    #26478663 - 02/10/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .



Are you kidding?

Mexico will pay us Bajillions to build the wall! Pesos for erry’body!


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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?


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Remind me what businesses Obama chose not to divest from and I will gladly answer your question .
  I didn’t say community organizer I said guy like trump , with 500 corporations .


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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?



Okay, you deff have a valid point that presidents tend to fail to deliver their biggest promises.
But they don’t fail to steer policy. If Obama’s moderate ass can get us the ACA, Bernie can get us single payer. And if Trump can cut taxes for the rich, Bernie should pull off a way bigger tax hike.

He’s simply better at navigating politics. Also, being a dinosaur, he wants to secure a legacy and knows this is his last shot. He won’t compromise because he knows history doesn’t remember those who compromise on their principles.


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Obama is from Kenya , that’s where he was born , it’s important to remember that indisputable fact whenever his name comes up .


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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?



Okay, you deff have a valid point that presidents tend to fail to deliver their biggest promises.
But they don’t fail to steer policy. If Obama’s moderate ass can get us the ACA, Bernie can get us single payer. And if Trump can cut taxes for the rich, Bernie should pull off a way bigger tax hike.

He’s simply better at navigating politics. Also, being a dinosaur, he wants to secure a legacy and knows this is his last shot. He won’t compromise because he knows history doesn’t remember those who compromise on their principles.




Hmm, ACA is a corporate written piece of health care legislation that benefits health care companies.

Bernie will NEVER be allowed to hike taxes on the wealthy, not gonna happen.


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    #26478865 - 02/10/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If Bernie proposes such popular legislation, and Congress blocks it, Congressmen risk their jobs.  :shrug:


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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?



Okay, you deff have a valid point that presidents tend to fail to deliver their biggest promises.
But they don’t fail to steer policy. If Obama’s moderate ass can get us the ACA, Bernie can get us single payer. And if Trump can cut taxes for the rich, Bernie should pull off a way bigger tax hike.

He’s simply better at navigating politics. Also, being a dinosaur, he wants to secure a legacy and knows this is his last shot. He won’t compromise because he knows history doesn’t remember those who compromise on their principles.




Hmm, ACA is a corporate written piece of health care legislation that benefits health care companies.

Bernie will NEVER be allowed to hike taxes on the wealthy, not gonna happen.




I see a path to it.

Bernie gets to the WH and very publicly starts pushing for higher taxes.
He gets stonewalled by lobbyists/establishment/corporations.
He points to the fact that reforms are being blocked by a system tailored to the 1%.
People come out in protest. Protests are suppressed. More people come out.
All politicians shit their britches when they realize there’s no way to get re-elected if they don’t support the movement.
Real change.

Real change hasn’t happened in the US for so long, I feel like Americans forgot what it takes to make it happen. It never comes easily, or peacefully.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26478903 - 02/10/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If Bernie proposes such popular legislation, and Congress blocks it, Congressmen risk their jobs.  :shrug:



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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If Bernie proposes such popular legislation, and Congress blocks it, Congressmen risk their jobs.  :shrug:



What difference will it make?  Congressmen only get elected every two years...by then, Bernie won't be President anymore.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 3
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:archiebunker:

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Well yeah, but most don't perform stressful jobs at that age.


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Bernie can't run an 8 minute mile.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
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    #26478963 - 02/10/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You made the initial claim.  You have the burden of proving he DOES run an 8 minute mile today.  I'll take any video from the last 3 weeks, though.  It doesn't have to be today.


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Bernie might be dead in 8 minutes.


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If he starts running a foot race, almost certainly.  The man just had a heart attack.


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    #26478993 - 02/10/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I believe that Sanders could in fact do it, through sheer athleticism and competitive spirit.
The great ones, as they say, never lose it.

this is from June, before he had bionic heart improvement surgery:
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/videos/news/politics/elections/2019/06/04/bernie-sanders-goes-bat-spontaneous-neighborhood-baseball-game/1341357001/

This is from august, also before the bionic heart improvement surgery:
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This is from Dec, after the heart improvement surgery:
https://www.tmz.com/2019/11/18/bernie-sanders-basketball-jump-shot/

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    #26479000 - 02/10/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There's a big difference between running a mile at 7.5 MPH and shooting a few baskets.  Having run many 8 minute miles and shot many baskets, I can tell you that the two activities have very little in common.

And that run to base on your second video should tell you that he's unlikely to be able to maintain 7.5 MPH for longer than 30 seconds, if he can reach it at all.


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Bernie is a real :contender:


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    #26479004 - 02/10/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Well yeah, but most don't perform stressful jobs at that age.




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You're less than half his age, kiddo.


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Oh...you'll get yours for that.  Worry not.  By the time you're Bernie's age, your kids will already have spent their inheritance.


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Lol.  I'd like to see that, actually.

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Is this guy shooting some Deca
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Just a regular old pack/day filtered.
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No sXe tattoo?; if he played Minor Threat, I would go to one of his rallies.

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26479077 - 02/10/20 06:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #26481337 - 02/12/20 01:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Welp, the Nevada Dems Hire Buttigieg Organizer As "Voter Protection Director".  Looks like we got nothing to worry about in Nevada now.  :facepalm:



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26481340 - 02/12/20 01:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Tantrika] * 1
    #26481344 - 02/12/20 02:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At least we're successfully foiling Russia's attempt to get Bernie Sanders elected.  :shake:

Speaking of Russia, I wished we ran our elections more like theirs.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 6
    #26481483 - 02/12/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If you're listening, Russia, please make our elections more like yours.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26481515 - 02/12/20 07:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
If Bernie proposes such popular legislation, and Congress blocks it, Congressmen risk their jobs.  :shrug:



What difference will it make?  Congressmen only get elected every two years...by then, Bernie won't be President anymore.




Some congressmen get elected every 6 years. I know this cause I used to run 4 miles in 29 minutes.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26481534 - 02/12/20 07:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Those people are called "senators."  Yes, they are a part of "Congress," but typically, "congressman" refers to a member of the House.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26481627 - 02/12/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A lot of things that people say typically are incorrect. The three I keep bringing up here are: 1)Impeaching the President means removal from office  2)Science can prove something  3)Congress refers to the House of Representatives


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26481638 - 02/12/20 09:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You're mixed up.  Congress refers to both legislative bodies.  "Congressman" refers to members of the house.

Calling a senator "Congressman" is like calling a judge a lawyer.  Sure, all judges are lawyers, but that's not really the relevant position to reference.



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26481814 - 02/12/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There's no requirement that SCOTUS jurists need be lawyers.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26481817 - 02/12/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They're not judges.  They're Justices.  Again, all of them are lawyers, too...but we'd never refer to them as lawyers when they're justices.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26481826 - 02/12/20 11:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Ugh what...I always thought judges and justices were the same peeps.
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114]
    #26481829 - 02/12/20 11:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Nah...judges work at trial courts.  Justices work at supreme courts. Except in NY where Supreme Courts ARE trial courts.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26481840 - 02/12/20 11:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Oh yeah, sure, that’s not confusing at all.:rolleyes:

Enlil only knows this because the account is ran by RBG. Proof? She also said she never smoked pot. Explain that!


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26481870 - 02/12/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A lot of my friends got married by justices, but not Scalia. He charged too much.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26481895 - 02/12/20 12:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

My wife and I were married by a man who was once a judge, but was a justice at the time he married us, and he quoted both the Illiad and the Odyssey at our wedding which was held in his chambers. 

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: relic] * 1
    #26482443 - 02/12/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The lamestream news is downplaying Bernie's victory to a ridiculous degree:

Progressives Rip Media Attempts to Downplay Bernie Sanders Win in NH Primary
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Reuters, in a Twitter headline, didn't even mention the senator (Sanders), instead centering Buttigieg and Klobuchar's stories.

That belief was shared by New York Times reporter Trip Gabriel, who didn't include the Sanders victory in his big two stories of the night.  "No. 1 story of the night: Amy Klobuchar," tweeted Gabriel. "No. 2 story of the night (so far): Pete Buttigieg coming closer to Bernie Sanders than expected."

Sanders didn't get the headline on the Times print edition, according to the paper's print editor, who posted the front page online—rather, Klobuchar got the top spot.

MSNBC personality Joy Reid, who has frequently criticized Sanders for his refusal to register as a Democrat and his history as an Independent, appeared to endorse the idea of former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, who was for a long time a registered Republican, becoming the Democratic nominee because "if you want a Democrat to  win, you have to fight like a Republican."  "And he is a Republican," Reid added of Bloomberg.




It goes on, but this post is already too long.  Read the article above if you're interested in more examples.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26482479 - 02/12/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Here's Krystal Ball saying a similar thing as the article in my last post.  This is more entertaining...



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26482490 - 02/12/20 06:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

And Jimmy Dore noticed the same thing, for those that prefer his take on things.



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26482493 - 02/12/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol, it's funny to hear her talk about bias as if she has none of her own.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26482510 - 02/12/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26482515 - 02/12/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Lol, it's funny to hear her talk about bias as if she has none of her own.




It's funny to see you writing about her talking about bias as if you have none of your own.

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feevers]
    #26482519 - 02/12/20 06:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't preach about bias, though.  Preaching about bias while showing bias is what we call in America, "hypocrisy."

Everyone is biased.  Not everyone pretends not to be, however.


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    #26482533 - 02/12/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At least Enlil admits the mainstream media is biased against Bernie.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26482541 - 02/12/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They're biased as fuck.  A lot of people hate Bernie.  He's not exactly a likeable guy.


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    #26482564 - 02/12/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You must watch a lot of mainstream news.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26482573 - 02/12/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I haven't watched the news in probably a decade.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26482581 - 02/12/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

you only listen on the radio or what?
read the paper?
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26482584 - 02/12/20 07:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I haven't listened to the radio in way longer...Howard Stern when he was on terrestrial radio was the last time I listened to radio, and that was the only thing I listened to probably for the 4 years preceding.

I don't read any papers.  I don't read internet papers either.

I find the news to be pretty predictable and boring.



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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26482593 - 02/12/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So if not for this forum you would have no exposure to news?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26482597 - 02/12/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I guess that depends on what you mean by "news."


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26482599 - 02/12/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Facebook issued this warning when someone tried to post a Jimmy Dore video pointing out that lots of Bernie votes went to Buttigieg:



Apparently it was considered fake because Jimmy said it was "intentional" (which is obvious for anyone that understands statistics, and how things like this always going against Bernie is more than just a coincidence).






















Now it all makes sense...




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