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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114]
    #26478463 - 02/10/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Sure, but Bernie isn't going to be President for more than a year or two.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478464 - 02/10/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I recommend that Bernie fight to win the election by gathering popular support...not by whining about some caucus or another.



He is.  It's some of his supporters who are complaining about the results.

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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26478467 - 02/10/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Those supporters need to get with the program if they want their messiah to win.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478536 - 02/10/20 12:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Interestingly, I went to the url at the bottom of your graph:  tinyurl.com/r2ns2za

It shows these results:

                                            Sanders Buttigieg
Current IDP SDE results    562.497  564.012        1.515  Pete Lead
Adjustments from Errors      2.615      -1.816      +4.431 Bernie gain
Adjusted Caucus Results  565.112  562.196        2.916 Bernie Lead


If true, that's pretty messed up.  It shows sources, but I don't know how to validate them.  It was clearly true they messed up after the first round was over though...


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 4
    #26478546 - 02/10/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

When Russia purchases Facebook ads to influence our election it requires sanctions, multiple congressional investigations, and wall to wall media coverage.

When the Democratic Party is openly trying to kneecap it’s own frontrunner: pipe down you sycophants, don’t be so conspiratorial.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #26478549 - 02/10/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Who cares if the Party is rigging votes?! Just focus on getting the votes they’re gonna rig!


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114] * 1
    #26478557 - 02/10/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.




Yet, there's no wall like Trump promised.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman] * 1
    #26478571 - 02/10/20 01:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.




Yet, there's no wall like Trump promised.




It’s being funded and even built though. Do you really think Republicans want to spend that money? They kinda have to pretend for their own careers.

The idea that a wall can help anyone has been normalized among Republicans. Why can’t wealth redistribution be normalized among Dems?

I’m not saying Bernie can overhaul the whole system, but he’ll have more power than just signing executive orders and vetoing shit. The presidency bears certain weight beyond the legal presidential functions.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114]
    #26478577 - 02/10/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:whathesaid:

The President has a tremendous amount of influence on things.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114]
    #26478582 - 02/10/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
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qman said:
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feldman114 said:
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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.




Yet, there's no wall like Trump promised.




It’s being funded and even built though. Do you really think Republicans want to spend that money? They kinda have to pretend for their own careers.

The idea that a wall can help anyone has been normalized among Republicans. Why can’t wealth redistribution be normalized among Dems?

I’m not saying Bernie can overhaul the whole system, but he’ll have more power than just signing executive orders and vetoing shit. The presidency bears certain weight beyond the legal presidential functions.




https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-to-reduce-budget-request-for-border-wall-11581257308

It's a joke and isn't even close to being funded adequately.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26478594 - 02/10/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

The President has a tremendous amount of influence on things.




Yet, 1. Trump promised economic tariffs to return jobs back to the US, it never happened. 2. Trump promised trillions in infrastructure investment, it never happened. 3. Trump promised immigration reform, it never happened. 4 Trump promised to stop engaging to stupid military actions around the globe, it never happened. 5. Trump promised middle class tax cuts, it never happened. 6. Trump promised a border wall, it never happened.

It appears Trump doesn't influence a dam thing.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman]
    #26478610 - 02/10/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a joke and isn't even close to being funded adequately




Whats  funny about that too is the people who really want the wall don’t pay very much taxes or consider taxation theft .  It’s not haha funny more of a sad funny .

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It appears Trump doesn't influence a dam thing.




Or everything the guy we all agree lies all the time promised you was bullshit . Are any of those things you listed going to make his businesses more profitable ? 


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26478653 - 02/10/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a joke and isn't even close to being funded adequately




Whats  funny about that too is the people who really want the wall don’t pay very much taxes or consider taxation theft .  It’s not haha funny more of a sad funny .

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It appears Trump doesn't influence a dam thing.




Or everything the guy we all agree lies all the time promised you was bullshit . Are any of those things you listed going to make his businesses more profitable ? 




They all lie, it's what puppets do.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman]
    #26478663 - 02/10/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #26478671 - 02/10/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .



Are you kidding?

Mexico will pay us Bajillions to build the wall! Pesos for erry’body!


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Psilynut2]
    #26478675 - 02/10/20 02:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman]
    #26478692 - 02/10/20 02:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Remind me what businesses Obama chose not to divest from and I will gladly answer your question .
  I didn’t say community organizer I said guy like trump , with 500 corporations .


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: qman] * 1
    #26478722 - 02/10/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?



Okay, you deff have a valid point that presidents tend to fail to deliver their biggest promises.
But they don’t fail to steer policy. If Obama’s moderate ass can get us the ACA, Bernie can get us single payer. And if Trump can cut taxes for the rich, Bernie should pull off a way bigger tax hike.

He’s simply better at navigating politics. Also, being a dinosaur, he wants to secure a legacy and knows this is his last shot. He won’t compromise because he knows history doesn’t remember those who compromise on their principles.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114]
    #26478743 - 02/10/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Obama is from Kenya , that’s where he was born , it’s important to remember that indisputable fact whenever his name comes up .


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: feldman114]
    #26478860 - 02/10/20 04:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
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qman said:
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Psilynut2 said:
Right but why did you think trump would do any of those things you listed , if I were trump or a guy like trump , I don’t see any profit to be made with any of that .




So Trump isn't a puppet, he just governs on the potential for personal profits?  What was Obama's excuse for betraying everybody?



Okay, you deff have a valid point that presidents tend to fail to deliver their biggest promises.
But they don’t fail to steer policy. If Obama’s moderate ass can get us the ACA, Bernie can get us single payer. And if Trump can cut taxes for the rich, Bernie should pull off a way bigger tax hike.

He’s simply better at navigating politics. Also, being a dinosaur, he wants to secure a legacy and knows this is his last shot. He won’t compromise because he knows history doesn’t remember those who compromise on their principles.




Hmm, ACA is a corporate written piece of health care legislation that benefits health care companies.

Bernie will NEVER be allowed to hike taxes on the wealthy, not gonna happen.


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