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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26478224 - 02/10/20 09:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

But if you really want to, this article about leading Democrats (and people like Pete Buttigieg) meeting time formulate a plan to kneecap the “efficacy of campaigns for a democratic nominee” is from April 2019, from noted conspiracy rag NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478229 - 02/10/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

in·cum·bent
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I don’t think Biden and Pete are classified as incumbents?

This has to do with Democrats who run against Democratic incumbents.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26478230 - 02/10/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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No, I'm going to tell you that "incumbent" and "progressive" are not synonyms.  Of course they're going to try to discourage people from unseating democrats.  That perfectly serves their purpose:

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The clear purpose of the DNC is to maximize the efficacy of the campaigns of democratic nominees.








Tell me, if a democrat unseats another democrat how many democrat seats are lost?

I’m not gonna litigate this with you, punishing progressive candidates in congressional races is not much different than kneecapping the progressive candidate in the presidential race. I think it’s pretty obvious.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478233 - 02/10/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You're the one opining that only "progressive" candidates are being punished.  From your own source, it sounds like anyone challenging an incumbent is being punished.

Of course, Bernie isn't challenging a democratic incumbent, so why would he be punished?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478242 - 02/10/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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But if you really want to, this article about leading Democrats (and people like Pete Buttigieg) meeting time formulate a plan to kneecap the “efficacy of campaigns for a democratic nominee” is from April 2019, from noted conspiracy rag NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-party.html




Interesting article. Sounds like they’re cornered and they know it:
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“If he is consistently raising $6 million more than his next closest opponent, he’s going to have a massive financial advantage,” said Rufus Gifford, former President Barack Obama’s 2012 finance director, noting that Mr. Sanders would be able to blanket expensive and delegate-rich Super Tuesday states like California and Texas with ads during early voting there.

Mr. Gifford, who has gone public in recent days with his dismay over major Democratic fund-raisers remaining on the sidelines, said of Mr. Sanders, “I feel like everything we are doing is playing into his hands.”

But the peril of rallying the party’s elite donor class against a candidate whose entire public life has been organized around confronting concentrated wealth is self-evident: Mr. Sanders would gleefully seize on any Stop Bernie effort.

“You can see him reading the headlines now,” Mr. Brock mused: “‘Rich people don’t like me.’”




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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26478261 - 02/10/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You're the one opining that only "progressive" candidates are being punished.  From your own source, it sounds like anyone challenging an incumbent is being punished.

Of course, Bernie isn't challenging a democratic incumbent, so why would he be punished?




Why indeed


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478285 - 02/10/20 10:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So we agree he's not being punished?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26478288 - 02/10/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No we agree that you don’t have a clue as to why he would be


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #26478291 - 02/10/20 10:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't.  I don't see him being punished, either.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26478295 - 02/10/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That doesn’t surprise me.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #26478299 - 02/10/20 10:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, if Bernie's going to have any chance in November, he can't run on the "victim" platform.  He's going to have to move beyond that image and if his supporters can't move past that mentality, he's done.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil]
    #26478303 - 02/10/20 10:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

unless the DNC actually tries to push him out, reinforcing his “victim” argument.

He’s no freshman, he’ll play it smart either way. He’s determined to win this time imo.


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    #26478306 - 02/10/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The victim argument loses either way....even if true.  Painting Bernie as a victim of mainstream democrats still splits the party, leaving Bernie without enough support to beat Trump.

Bernie can convert the victim narrative to the underdog narrative, which can win.  Whether he does remains to be seen.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26478318 - 02/10/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

He’s a champion of the working class, which has actually been a victim of corporate greed. Just saying, it may work better than you think because voters relate to being shafted.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26478319 - 02/10/20 10:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It's a fair question.  What possible reason would they have to choose Mayor Pete, of all possibilities?




It is a good question, I guess.

The reason that I see for doing this, is that they don't want a frontrunner. They want the delegates spread between as many candidates as possible, so that it will be a contested convention. That way, Super Delegates are allowed to vote, and they have more of an argument for choosing an establishment figure that they like.

Basically, if the convention is contested, Democratic leadership gets to choose the nominee. That's a lot of power.

I personally believe that these mathematical errors would have been largely in Biden's favor, had he had any sort of foundation to stand on in Iowa. Pete was just the best candidate to push.

Case and point: Bloomberg has already said he is running to prevent Bernie from winning, not to be the nominee. He has no shot of winning. He's trying to snipe delegates. He's a Republican.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Enlil] * 2
    #26478371 - 02/10/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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What possible reason would they have to choose Mayor Pete, of all possibilities?



To keep taxes from going up on the wealthy as much as Bernie would raise them to help the rest of us.


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    #26478374 - 02/10/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The victim argument loses either way....even if true.



So do you recommend he accept the fake results?


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    #26478375 - 02/10/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?


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    #26478376 - 02/10/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The victim argument loses either way....even if true.



So do you recommend he accept the fake results?



You say they're fake.

I recommend that Bernie fight to win the election by gathering popular support...not by whining about some caucus or another.


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    #26478458 - 02/10/20 11:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You believe that Bernie as President would have the power to raise taxes?




His victory will embolden all Democrats. Pandering to the public will mean supporting wealth redistribution efforts, including raising corporate/high-income taxes.

Trump doesn’t have the power to reverse 50 years of progress on environmental protection, but Republicans pushed it through anyway🤷🏻‍♂️ Same with the wall funding - they all laughed at the idea when Trump said “build the wall” on the election trail, but once they realized his base supports it, it started being a good idea.


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