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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468300 - 02/04/20 11:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If you have evidence of a conspiracy, post it. There's really no reason for conspiracy theories. If they were going to screw Bernie, they would not be able to keep it hidden.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468312 - 02/04/20 11:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Conspiracy or blatant stupidity, gotta choose one or the other. :justdontknow:

Probably a perfect mix of both if history has anything to say about it. :trollersgonnatroll:


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468343 - 02/04/20 11:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If you have evidence of a conspiracy, post it. There's really no reason for conspiracy theories. If they were going to screw Bernie, they would not be able to keep it hidden.



Did you click on any of the links from my last post?  And did you ever watch this 'must watch' video yet?


Remember, I said that I strongly believe this, not that it's 100% certain.

This reminds me of a Russian joke I recently heard.  Most Russians know about something called the "Heisenberg uncertainty principle".  The joke is that a man suspects his wife of cheating on him, so instead of going to work one day, he decides to spy on his house from a distance.  He then sees another man enter the house and go into the bedroom with his wife.  Suddenly, the curtains close and the guy says "damn that Heisenberg uncertainty principle".


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468353 - 02/04/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, well, I meant evidence of a conspiracy happening right now in Iowa, not potentials for one. But that's neither here nor there. I don't believe the DNC will try to commit election fraud in the Iowa Democratic Caucus. That just doesn't seem plausible to me. Manipulate Bernie politically? Absolutely. But I don't think they could ever get away with deliberately falsifying vote counts, if they would even try to do such a thing.

And I'm not convinced that all this is the reason for the delay. I have already posted my guess. I acknowledge that the Democratic Party doesn't want Bernie, and will do all they can to keep him off the ticket. But I do not believe this includes election fraud.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #26468380 - 02/04/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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If you have evidence of a conspiracy, post it. There's really no reason for conspiracy theories. If they were going to screw Bernie, they would not be able to keep it hidden.




I've already posted evidence of a conspiracy. There was an app that voting locations submitted their results through. Each location had it's own pin. Many locations couldn't even download the app, and many of the PINs didn't work.

The App was developed by a company owned and operated by former Clinton staffers, including her former campaign manager Robby Mook. Last election, the app was created by microsoft, and worked just fine.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26468385 - 02/04/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There is a paper trail, or was supposed to be a paper trail, as I understand it. They said as much on the radio yesterday before voting started.

So this should be all easy to sort out.

That said, if we do have a paper trail, what the fuck is taking so long?


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #26468389 - 02/04/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

https://twitter.com/Salem4Congress/status/1224732296626016256?s=20

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I am now hearing that the Sanders campaign sent workers to every caucus to record the live results.

The DNC was unaware of this. When their early tallies did not match the recorded results from campaign workers, his campaign had 5 lawyers contact the DNC. Now they’re meeting.




Don't know who Salem Snow is, but if there is any truth to this, it makes things a bit interesting.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468519 - 02/04/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Okay, well, I meant evidence of a conspiracy happening right now in Iowa, not potentials for one. But that's neither here nor there. I don't believe the DNC will try to commit election fraud in the Iowa Democratic Caucus. That just doesn't seem plausible to me. Manipulate Bernie politically? Absolutely. But I don't think they could ever get away with deliberately falsifying vote counts, if they would even try to do such a thing.

And I'm not convinced that all this is the reason for the delay. I have already posted my guess. I acknowledge that the Democratic Party doesn't want Bernie, and will do all they can to keep him off the ticket. But I do not believe this includes election fraud.



I agree with you that they won't falsify the vote counts.  But when I saw how well Bernie was doing in Iowa, I thought to myself "how are they going to stop his momentum?"  Now we know.  And we'll see a lot more fuckery soon.

I provided my reasoning for why I think this delay is intentional.  Let's hear your reasoning why it's so difficult to add 9 numbers together in today's day and age.  :popcorn:

Even the New York Times, before they realized what was happening, said this:

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Trip Gabriel, reporting from Dubuque 11:52 PM ET

Why is it taking so long to report results? Nearly 1,700 caucuses fill out worksheets like this, then report multiple results.





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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468539 - 02/04/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I wouldn't put it beneath the DNC to have the mentality of "well if trump can rig elections why cant we!!!"


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468578 - 02/04/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe you're right, I don't know. I get that they don't like Bernie, but a concerted conspiracy? Just seems unworkable, especially if they're this incompetent. Just my :twocents:


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468605 - 02/04/20 02:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

If one even chalks it up to gross incompetence, I really can believe that Iowa and the DNC did this....after all the vitriol of Trump, finally, those on the other side put forth their efforts to start the politcal process and have thier say who they choose; only for it to wash out?

How much ammunition did they just give Trump? There have been rumblings of Bern getting bent over way before this happened.....lets disenfranchise more voters!!!


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468615 - 02/04/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe you're right, I don't know. I get that they don't like Bernie, but a concerted conspiracy? Just seems unworkable, especially if they're this incompetent. Just my :twocents:




Unworkable, why? What sort of checks and balances are there on the party? There was a concerted, conspiratorial effort in 2016.

To be perfectly honest, there are going to be shenanigans this election. There's really no question. Last time Bernie was a threat, but this time he's the likely nominee. In fact, I would be so bold as to say unless something unforeseen occurs, Bernie is likely to be the next POTUS.

Biden is out of the race now, and Pete Buttigieg is only competitive in the first two states, because he dumped all his money there. He polls terribly with minorities, and pretty much every demographic outside of NH and Iowa. So who will be the establishment candidate? Klobuchar? I don't think so. Maybe Warren can recoup some of what she has lost, I don't know.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468635 - 02/04/20 02:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

So are you alleging full-scale electoral fraud at a state level? That'd be tough to pull off, wouldn't it? It would come out right away.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468655 - 02/04/20 02:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It depends on what you mean by "fraud".

Do I think they'll post fake numbers?  No.

Do I think they'll delay the results a lot longer?  Well, they already warned results might not be released today.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26468664 - 02/04/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, that I can see. Latest I've read is that half the numbers will be out at 5 EST. If it's much past that, the fuckery argument, beyond sheer incompetence, gains a lot of steam. :mad2:


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #26468671 - 02/04/20 02:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

7 minutes and counting.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: christopera]
    #26468728 - 02/04/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

62% reporting  Votes
Candidate/      Percent/ Count
Pete Buttigieg – 26.9% 36,262
Bernie Sanders – 25.1% 33,793
Elizabeth Warren – 18.3% 24,623
Joe Biden – 15.6% 21,038
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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 1
    #26468752 - 02/04/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So are you alleging full-scale electoral fraud at a state level? That'd be tough to pull off, wouldn't it? It would come out right away.




Bloomberg donates $300,000 to the DNC, and suddenly they change the rules so that he is allowed to enter the race after Iowa. I have very little faith in the democratic party to be fair. They are literally talking about changing the rules to allow super delegates to vote in the first round, so that they can vote against Bernie.

And just exactly what in the fuck is going on right now? The killed Iowa for Bernie. The only benefit to Iowa is the press, and they have prevented Bernie from that media attention.

To be perfectly honest with you, of the two of us, I'm the pragmatic one. I'm not suggesting that the DNC took part in out-right fraud, and I don't think I have suggested that, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them. I don't know that they would even care if they get caught.

Last election, they threw 200,000 voters off the voter rolls in the Burroughs of NY, where Bernie grew up. Those are his people. They just denied lifelong Democrats, potential Bernie voters, the right to vote.

Oh, and let me add... You've got former Hillary Clinton staffers on the corporate board of a company called 'Shadow', that created the app, that is fucking Iowa right now. Last election you had Debbie Wasserman Schults, former hillary Clinton campaign manager pulling all sorts of shenanigans to fuck Bernie over. She was forced to step down from her position in the DNC.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #26468959 - 02/04/20 05:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, I'm not really disagreeing with any of that. I know the DNC and everyone associated with it are corrupt as hell. My original point, and all I've really been trying to say, was that, probably, the delay in vote-counting in Iowa was simple incompetence. And that, in all likelihood, the DNC was not colluding to make the results fraudulent. All I was referring to was this one topic, the delay, today. I have no love for the DNC or the Democratic Party.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with your general position at all.


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Re: Iowa Caucus - and DNC fuckery! [Re: DividedQuantum] * 2
    #26469025 - 02/04/20 06:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Oh, I'm not really disagreeing with any of that. I know the DNC and everyone associated with it are corrupt as hell. My original point, and all I've really been trying to say, was that, probably, the delay in vote-counting in Iowa was simple incompetence. And that, in all likelihood, the DNC was not colluding to make the results fraudulent. All I was referring to was this one topic, the delay, today. I have no love for the DNC or the Democratic Party.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disagreeing with your general position at all.




Fair enough. I'm not trying to be abrasive, btw, if it read that way. I just want to point out, also, that if it turns out Bernie did indeed win the Iowa caucus, then there surely is some tomfuckery afoot. They are only releasing 60% of the vote, and my theory is that the 60% they chose to release has been cherry picked, to allow Pete Buttigieg to claim victory.

As Falcon already pointed out, millions of ballots have already been distributed in California. People are more likely to vote for someone who has momentum. Iowa is all about momentum. My theory is that they are not releasing the numbers, because they want to slow Bernie's momentum. Winning Iowa brings in lots of donations. If Pete is running around, looking like the winner, he is receiving those donations.

It wasn't incompetence, when they misreported all of those poll results on CNN, MSN, etc. They don't get the benefit of the doubt from me anymore, and if their narrative ends up requiring me to believe that they are incompetent, and also, by some strange coincidence, the results they've allowed us to view til now show a loser as the winner, well, that's requiring too much.


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