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Novacom
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Old Noob back again, with pics!
#26467689 - 02/03/20 10:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello again everyone!
I've started trying to grow some mushrooms again, been a few years!
I started with spore syringes from a sponsor, the same sponsor I've used before with great success. Figured I'd do rye since it's always worked so well. Agar looks fun, but it sure looks like a lot of room for error compared to just sticking a jar...
Bam!




My poor rye!! 14 jars total from one B+ syringe (stretching thin!) all exactly the same from the innoc point! Well, that's lame. I blame the syringe, but I wasn't wearing gloves this time so who really knows? The little baby bandaids I use to seal the stick hole suck, especially with gloves. I forgot I learned that the last time, and the time before that. Really need to make some lids if I'm gonna keep going this route.
So, I blasted those jars and started over. No more rye though, they changed the hopper to a tiny little thing from the old massive one and I just cleaned it out.
So I lurk more and decide to move on to oats instead. I've read so many teks I'm not really sure which I'm using but it's a basic ~30 minute simmer followed by straining and stretching thin on paper towels inside 5 gallon paint strainer bags. It seems to work alright although a tad sticky in the end. Still shakes free OK after two hours in the PC so I decide to run them. To increase my chances of success I step up to a full 20 jars and spread out to two different syringes.
Here's how they look after knocking them up. The jars are dirty from PC water, not anything inside.

Now the wait, and it's a long one! Nothing doing after a full week, that's never happened before...
But finally, something happens! A tiny little spot!

Another week later and most look something like this. One jar down, lost to some cobweb looking thing that turned yellow and only one showing nothing at all. Well, this seems more like it!

I have a few more syringes still, one of which is exceptionally suspect. I think I might try a run at agar now that something promising is happening, just as a backup. Probably a grocery store tek, I don't like buying things online. Plus, I have SO MUCH OATS, gotta do something with it all.
Anyway, just thought I'd drop by! Hopefully more good looking pics coming soon! Thanks for being awesome and spreading all the awesome info!
Edited by Novacom (02/03/20 10:46 PM)
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom]
#26495585 - 02/20/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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More pics! Pins soon, hopefully!

It took a while, but all my jars are looking great! Of twenty total only two lost, one to contams and one just didn't ever grow anything.
4 jars of the Brazil cubes finished earlier than the remaining 5 shown here, so I spawned them to a tub with CVG. 650g coir, 2 quarts fine verm, tablespoon of gypsum and 4 full quarts of water in the bucket tek worked great! I'm using a 66qt drilled pastywhite style, moved to a different naturally cooler room. Was way too cold so I'm running a oil heater, still trying to figure out the thermostat.
I also know it's against tek, but I taped the holes till it's colonized. This room is dirty, seems like a good idea especially since I'm still figuring out the heater. I'm also trying a run without a liner, hopefully that won't come back to haunt me.
But, oats don't care. This is just three days old! I did the old Frank 10 minute dunk, not sure if it matters but doesn't seem to hurt! At the rate this thing is running, It'll be done before the weekend haha!

I think my last 5 Brazil jars will get one more day before spawning, 4 of the Rotans are done as well and the remaining 5 might get another shake to fill in some void spots. They are acting completely different than the Brazil, much more tomatose and nowhere near as aggressive. They all bounced back quickly after the first shake, but I honestly shook half of them way early because they're so dang slow! Maybe I need to build an incubator again...
Local sources of agar don't exist, looks like I have to go online. Bummer! I was going to use syringes on agar, but might just wait and use some spores!
Also started another batch of twenty MS jars about a week or so ago, 10 golden teachers and 10 gold coast. So far the GTs are rocking it, but GC isn't far behind. Looks like I got lucky again, not that I've ever had much issue other than that last B+ syringe...
Anyway, more to come later!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom]
#26495786 - 02/20/20 06:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cool man, good luck. I hope you get lots of mushies. You can clone with your agar also. It's fun.
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: FrankRhizo]
#26495830 - 02/20/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The source of your mold šÆ was the syringe.
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Sockadin]
#26496055 - 02/20/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good luck and welcome back!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: 345536345]
#26496081 - 02/20/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn, almost 7 years...
Once you get some fruits look into clone on agar.
You'll get to skip germing from spores, and you won't be as likely to waste grain assuming your sterile game is there.
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26520217 - 03/06/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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7 years and still waiting to get into the marketplace, give me another decade and I'll be in! Or, I might actually try and post some useful stuff and get there a little sooner, some RW prints would be neat.
My guess that the first tub would take off in a short amount of time was really, really wrong. It fully colonized by the 24th, than sat for two weeks! I was thinking it was dead, but then it knotted up good and made me some pins two days later. I had the room at 72-74 degrees, I've since dropped to 65-67 degrees, seems to have made things move right along.
My second tub of Brazilians split the sub, I thought I understood coir field capacity but I guess I was a little wrong. I don't think I am far off, but it seems I'm close enough that the weight of the sub in the tub was enough to balloon out the bottom of the tub and do funny things to compress and expand the sub. Probably going to move tubs on a plank of plywood from now on to prevent butthole blowout, that shit sucks.
Anywho, here are some more pics!
Tub #1, no split sub. Spawned about 4-5 days before tub #2. 4 quarts spawn to 650g coir, 4 quarts verm, and 4 quarts of water. A little bit of misting, only once and very lightly. Check out all that knotting!

Here's my primordia trio!

And I'm calling this one a pin! The cap is juuust starting to show.

Lots more little stuff happening in the background, too!
Might be a fun weekend!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom]
#26520397 - 03/06/20 10:40 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell ya dude, I'd call that a pin 
What size tub are those? Look around 54qt?
I usually do 6 or 7qts spawn to one brick coir and that's it. A little less than 1:1 spawn to sub.
Maybe try more spawn to speed up that colonization.
Keep it up tho
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26520458 - 03/06/20 11:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those little pins are getting bigger by the minute!
They are 66qt tubs, following this here.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26140339/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/18
I've got 4 quarts of spawn in the pinning tub, and 5 quarts in this cracked tub. It looks like 4-5 quarts spawn can work, but more spawn per tub does seem like it'd be better. I really need to get into agar, so I can make more successful jars of the same strain.

On the bright side, it looks like all twenty of the Golden teachers and Gold coast jars are doing OK. I built an incubator and have them colonizing in 80-84 degree temps. Kind of makes the jars look a little humid inside, but they seem to love it. They recovered fast, I waited a little longer to shake them and it seems to be worth the wait. I'm pretty certain they aren't bacterial from how they recovered, hopefully!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom] 1
#26520480 - 03/06/20 11:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh right, I thought those were the EZ's based on the small holes. Didn't know size tho.
Ya dude, agar all the way. Super easy, super rewarding.
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom]
#26520522 - 03/06/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Novacom said: 7 years and still waiting to get into the marketplace, give me another decade and I'll be in! Or, I might actually try and post some useful stuff and get there a little sooner, some RW prints would be neat.
Haha you and me both buddy. Its been 10 years for me but getting closer 
Welcome back and keep it up!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Infinity-25]
#26520600 - 03/06/20 01:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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it really fucking irritates me when this happens
āAgar is fun but looks like a lot of room for errorā Then you proceed to post pics of 14 jars gone to shit. You clearly have read why agar is āfunā and the recommended step before going to grain yet choose to ignore the information. The market place is very east to gain access to but Iām glad noobs like you arenāt tainting it with shit product.
Moving forward Good job for going to oats they're the cheapest in my area by far, donāt waste your time boiling for 30minutes though. Bring water to a boil in pan, add oats for about 6-10 minutes. Drain water for about 5 mins sometimes more sometimes less, load into jars/bags hot or wet it doesnāt matter. Before you say it, I get thereās lots of info saying to dry them but as I prep 150-200kgs of grain a month this way Iād have to disagree. If your grain moisture content is correct it does not matter if the outside of the grain is wet, it all gets evaporated off in your PC anywhooooooo! Try it I dare ya! I keep all my jars at around the temp of your incubator and agree they love it! Glad to hear they recovered nicely after the shake
Pm me with an address and Iāll get you a print in the post until you get some marketplace access:)
Mush love šš
Edited by Zoltanvinegar (03/06/20 01:06 PM)
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Zoltanvinegar]
#26520693 - 03/06/20 02:05 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They look bacterial to me in the last pic. Looks like wet oats pushed up against the glass. Try colonizing them around 70-75°f, Bacteria thrives above 82 I think
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Hobbit GDF]
#26530101 - 03/11/20 11:48 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Look at my tub, my tub is amazing!

Except linerless, never trying that again...
This here is Steve, hanging out in a knotty tub. Almost by himself, there's a cluster between the sub and wall along the front. Why didn't I use liners!

These tubs rock, so much easier than messing with polyfill.
Testing soon!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom] 1
#26535320 - 03/14/20 06:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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More pics!

I cut a few back here and made some tea, was about 2x as much as I was expecting. 35 grams of wet was like a full quarter of dry fruit!
A while later I went back to trim the rest, looks like I waited just a tad too long!


Trimming side pins suucks!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom]
#26535350 - 03/14/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Which ones are those?
They came out nice man.
Do you normally do tea? It hits harder than eating the mushrooms so that could be part of why it was so strong. Plus you get that psilocin from the fresh.
Anyway glad theyāre doing the trick for you!
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: A.k.a]
#26535394 - 03/14/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you!
These are the Brazil Cubes, first tub I spawned with 4 quarts of oats.
Here's the second tub of Brazil, except this one has 5 quarts of spawn. It's looking like it's going to be even better!

I've never made tea, always figured the heat would make them less potent so I usually just eat them and bear with the taste, sometimes with pizza or a bacon cheeseburger. I've never ate fresh ones either, always dried. This tea kicked off in ~15 minutes, for three people and had everyone couch locked by an hour in, wasn't expecting that!
I've got them drying now, I didn't get a super exact wet weight but if I had to guess I'd say I got around 700 grams from the first tub wet.
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: Novacom]
#26535414 - 03/14/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Welcome back. I bet I feels rewarding.
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: FrankRhizo]
#26535528 - 03/14/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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id lose the incubator tho man room temp is best. the incubator usually hurts more than anything. as long as your room temp aint below 65-70 area ur plenty good. the mycelium aint really gnna gain any more speed on ya your just giving the nasties a better chance of takin over and they r in there if your goin spore to grain that i can promise ya. but a good clean culture will run just as fast at room temp. thats been my experience at least. good luck to ya and seriously get into agar you will be so glad you did
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Re: Old Noob back again, with pics! [Re: jcm4620]
#26579668 - 04/05/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's been a while, but back with some news!
Incubator is off, now that I have mushies all over the place I'm not in any rush!
Looks like my Brazil tubs do about 3oz cracker dry per flush. I've got two out of both tubs before loosing one to a thin white pin mold. The other tub is still rockin' it.
I spawned all the suspicious GT/GC MS spawn to tubs and they lit off like crazy! Here's the first tub of GC's, 4.3oz dry! I ran a liner and still got side pins and even a mess of bottom pins. So freaking annoying!
I am still ecstatic though, this is the closest I've been to a solid canopy! Half are without spores, so it's super clean looking. I'm about to clone a beautiful sporeless to agar, still working on my technique there.

Also, finally quit screwing around and got with some agar. I made some oat soak water and ran with that. Didn't have time to pour that day so I refrigerated it. Went back to warm it up and made a water bath to try and catch it at just the right temp. Didn't work so good, had set up by the time I poured ~8 plates. Guess my thermometer is reading low? What's annoying is I was pouring way too late and I still got crazy humidity, as in water running on the surface of the agar humidity. I don't know what to do about that, although I don't think I'll use grain soak water again, too much sediment. I also think I may have had too much agar per plate, maybe that's why it's so wet, less room for air?
But, here are some pics. Standing on top of another set of MS brazil jars! These are all clones of Brazil, kinda looking a little weak after about 1.5 weeks of growth.

I ran a control plate. I used tweezers to rip and tear flesh, probably won't do that again. But, I stuck the side to cool and then lightly poked the middle and not really showing much of anything so I guess my SAB and tech are at least halfway decent!

This guy went bad, I think this is the same pinmold that killed my brazil tub!

And the best looking so far. I think I may transfer a piece to a fresh plate and toss the rest. You can faintly see the water running on the plate around 2-6 o'clock. Before I held this plate up the water was mostly on the side of the plate around 2-4 o'clock, as I lifted it, ran down the edge looking all bacterial and stuff. Is it just bacteria?

I picked up some powder potato and honey and am going to give a new recipe a go. I sure hope they grow out faster. Is 1.5-2 weeks normal for a clone from fresh tissue, or am I expecting too much?
Thanks for looking and any agar advise!
Edited by Novacom (04/05/20 02:47 PM)
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