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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26484282 - 02/13/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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And CEOs like Jeff Bezos take advantage of that fact. When youre poor, you'll work for any wage. Similar thing happens in China, sweatshops and all that.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26484283 - 02/13/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, only because they need money. It would make the lives of those people better.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26484296 - 02/13/20 07:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Another problem with paying the bottom more is they start bumping into supervisor's pay scale. Supervisors get angry they don't do anything helpful for the company or they leave or they get a raise. Their salary begins to run into the manager salary. Etc.... And up we go. So the people that actually keep the company running because they're not easily replaceable end up costing a fortune more than giving the bottom 15 or 20 an hour. That money is better spent on the supervisors and managers because giving them a bump actually can make a difference to your companys success.
A new bus of employees can come every day to work the easy jobs. Ever hear of a company bussing in new managers every day? Nope
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26484303 - 02/13/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I know, but if the really wealthy owners would just take a little bit less (which I know would never ever happen) and they are still making great profits, it would be better for more people. It's a never ending discussion.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26484316 - 02/13/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Giving people things for nothing just makes them less capable of fending for themselves.... ultimately reducing their ability to get anywhere.
This holds true for much of nature.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26484331 - 02/13/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How is actually working "for nothing"? Owners pay the least amount they can legally get away with which was lobbied by the corporatists etc...I am really glad I got a degree. I was a waiter/bartender/cook for 34 years.
Not everyone can be a manager/owner/business owner etc, and not everyone wants to. Some people just want a living wage and that can be attained by the big guys giving just a bit more and not be so greedy. Michigan is a perfect example and the auto production industry. As soon as corps could move their production somewhere else and could pay as little as possible maximizing their profits for no other reason than greed, it was over for the average joe. They are stealing pensions, firing people after 18 years to not give them one and so on, how is that right?
Oh, I know, It's just business.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26484337 - 02/13/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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People in their 30s like me kind of are lazy fuck offs. So many people don't give a fuck about their jobs. It's "not their passion" it's a paycheck. People are so egotistical they can't return the favor to the people that make their food and roof happen.
People my parents age 50s an onwards for the most part seem to put a lot into any job they have or had. People that wanted to be pilots, actors, doctors, biologists, or whatever the fuck still excelled at giving back to community, family, and their employers. And if they had some job they never imagined having they still found a way to enjoy it and become interested in it. Fucking progressive commercials play on "becoming your parents" in commercials. It's geeky to be interested in physics of bowling, and your sales job, or your financial job, or even moving up the ladder at some retail job.
People my age and younger largely seem to not be able to find a way to give a fuck about their sales or marketing or banking or managing whatever jobs at all. They go scrape by, find ways to do fuckall.
Can't help but wonder if productivity equals pay on every scale. 90s decade of excess. Wealth and work ethic too
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26484357 - 02/13/20 08:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I am 50. I take pride in making whatever job I do as perfect as I possibly can. I want it as good for anyone else as for myself. When I was a cook a manager taught me that if the plate looks like shit and you wouldn't eat it or be disappointed in it, why serve it to someone else?
I got a side mirror replaced on my car the other day. Well some idiot cracked off all the clips that hold the plastic cover part in place, and then the inside cover on the corner of the window has the seal overlapping the plastic cover that is supposed to cover it, really small thing and I know the guy saw that shit, but said fuck it, they won't notice, or did not give a shit if I did. So I can see your point. Seems like people don't take ANY pride in even the smallest details which are very important overall.
Kudos for saying people your age are lazy fucks, lol, but not lol.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26484367 - 02/13/20 08:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Why doesn't he pay the people 20 bucks an hour to start?
Because people are willing to do the job for less.
exactly. the market sets the value of things, including labour.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26484370 - 02/13/20 08:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: And CEOs like Jeff Bezos take advantage of that fact. When youre poor, you'll work for any wage. Similar thing happens in China, sweatshops and all that.
If we are both unemployed we are competing for employment.
if i offer to do a job for 19 an hour and you offer to do the same job for 20 then I have a competitive advantage over you so thats my incentive for working for 19 an hour, I can secure employment more easily than you.
Why dont you pay 20$ for a coffee? because if you did someone would come along and charge 15 because they could afford to do so. then someone would charge 10 because they could still make a profit. then 5 and so on. competition is what keeps costs down and quality up. people can use a decrease in cost or an increase in quality to gain a competitive advantage.
should you insist on paying 20$ even though someone is willing to provude you with coffee for less? no.
its not taking advantage at all. he created a company and is offering employment on his terms. you can take them or leave them. you are free to start a company where you insist on paying all of your employees 20 an hour.
are you even paying anyone 20 an hour?
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26484373 - 02/13/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Labor hasn’t been a free market for decades. We all accept the fact that a minimum wage is necessary but they refuse to pay a livable wage anyway,
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: BANANA.MAN] 1
#26484378 - 02/13/20 09:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Greed has driven prices up to a level where anyone that tries to undercut all the competition will be wiped out. Overhead kills a lot of new businesses. I have seen several restaurants come and go in the same space over the course of 3 years. Plus mediocre food seems to reign supreme here in CO. I am surprised that bars actually have decent food here as opposed to Texas/DFW.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: feldman114]
#26484386 - 02/13/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: Labor hasn’t been a free market for decades. We all accept the fact that a minimum wage is necessary but they refuse to pay a livable wage anyway,
we acctually dont all accept that a minimum wage in necessary. I dont.
Switzerland doesnt have a minimum wage.
Minimum wages hurt people with no skills/educarion/work experience.
If a business owner cant hire someone to sweep the floor for a couple hours without paying him 28$ then they will just make one of their other employees sweep the floor and there will be no more position. that position could have gone to a mentally challanged guy who doesnt have anything on his resume and didnt finish highschool. that could have been his chance to gain work experience and work his way to a point where he can acctually produce $14 an hour.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26484393 - 02/13/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: Greed has driven prices up to a level where anyone that tries to undercut all the competition will be wiped out. Overhead kills a lot of new businesses. I have seen several restaurants come and go in the same space over the course of 3 years. Plus mediocre food seems to reign supreme here in CO. I am surprised that bars actually have decent food here as opposed to Texas/DFW.
Yeah of course businesses fail. that doesmt mean you cant win over customers by offering lower prices than your compeition. your anecdotal evidence doesnt mean anything.
I know here prices have gone up alot because of minimum wage increases it was like 11.50 a few years ago now its 14. and restaraunt prices have gone up.
is it greed for you to not pay $20 for a cup of coffee? why dont you?
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26484405 - 02/13/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol, I get it, I know. But he corps will never take a little less, capitalism is about increase or level, NEVER down. Increases or they cut you and get someone who will do it, like you said. Some people do not want higher education nor do they strive to be millionaires or even thousandaires (Patented, lol). Some people want more time to spend on living life and not using every single solitary second working towards the goal of having a massive bank account, gold toilet seats, or whatever useless thing some people feel they need. Endless....
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26484411 - 02/13/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: How is actually working "for nothing"? Owners pay the least amount they can legally get away with which was lobbied by the corporatists etc...I am really glad I got a degree. I was a waiter/bartender/cook for 34 years.
Not everyone can be a manager/owner/business owner etc, and not everyone wants to. Some people just want a living wage and that can be attained by the big guys giving just a bit more and not be so greedy. Michigan is a perfect example and the auto production industry. As soon as corps could move their production somewhere else and could pay as little as possible maximizing their profits for no other reason than greed, it was over for the average joe. They are stealing pensions, firing people after 18 years to not give them one and so on, how is that right?
Oh, I know, It's just business.
Giving people 20 bucks an hour instead of whatever they are currently making would be giving people something for nothing.
If you don't have the drive to go out and be productive enough to meet your needs and wants according to your tastes- it is time to have an honest sitdown with yourself about your tastes.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26484429 - 02/13/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Had windshi replaced once guy mid 40s does world's best job, great attitude, cared enough to know the ins an outs of everything windows for automotive.
Every other time its been some 20 year old kid. Always kind of suck.
I know correlation isn't causation but even at the grocery store...
Im sure both the 20 something and the 40+ didn't think they'd be grocery store employees or car window replacement "technicians"
But the attitude is way different
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#26484496 - 02/13/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That does make sense.
If i offer $20 an hour verus $19 an hour, i would have the competitive edge because more workers would want to work for me rather than you.
The issue is Jeff Bezos is making all this profit at the expense of his employers who do the labor. If he raised the starting wage for an Amazon position across the whole company, he would make less profit BUT would have a more ethical company overall. And a more ethical company would increase moral, standard of living for the employees and increase quality in labor skills due to the competition of higher wages.
At what point does a CEO make "too much" profit from his company? Does Jeff Bezos has to have a Trillion dollars in his bank accounts to throw up a red flag of unethical company practices? Will the Free Market always him thr extra benefit cause its his company and not the employee the benefit? Why cant the employees have more shares in the profit?
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26484501 - 02/13/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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These are all silly questions.
Go start a business and then try to figure out at what point you don't deserve to reap the harvest from your hard work. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense in the tens, hundreds, thousands, millions, billions, or trillions of dollars ranges. The amount of money makes no difference.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 1
#26484628 - 02/14/20 03:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Rich people who let other people do the physical labor are lazy by literal definition. That’s why people like Bezos need to be re-educated in forced labor camps to give him the opportunity to understand how his business functions. Naturally people who don’t work but instead profit off of others sweat and toil find ways to convince themselves that this horrible injustice is someone how just. That’s why we need to re-evaluate the revolutions in China and Russia. Unlike the American service industry their gulags served a moral purpose.
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