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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
#26469676 - 02/05/20 05:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think we have generations coming of age whom have not been held responsible for when they've sucked. Myself included.
So everyone thinks their shit don't stink when really, shit pretty much always stinks.
It was a hard pill to swallow the first time I tried, but it gets easier the more you admit you really do suck and no, nothing worth doing is easy.
When I say you, I really mean me talking to myself if ya follow.
But I see there's a lot of other people that have not arrived there yet and I wonder if this is also why so many begrudge the people who are actually setting a pretty good example for how to make it.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26469693 - 02/05/20 05:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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My department has been at this company since the 70s. The company itself since the 40s.
I have a few employees with over 20+ years on the same job. One has 44 years. She makes 16/hr she started at 3.50/hr back in the 70s.
We get temps in to do the same job. This one time i got three dudes. They all happened to have dreadlocks. It was pretty funny. That day a few weeks back all of them quit before lunch. It was too fast and too much bullshit one said. I told him i literally have little old ladies in their 60s and 70s that can outwork you with a smile on
But im supposed to start temps off at 15? Lol get real
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26469697 - 02/05/20 05:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26469712 - 02/05/20 06:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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1 stoner divided into 3 bodies. Lol
I probably wouldn't be inclined to hire anyone with dreads again... despite having dreads myself.
Too difficult to plan food for the crew.
And I really don't want whatever is in their hair in my weed.
I made $4.65 an hour as a 14 year old working at a tavern fish fry place. In the late 90s. Glad those days are over!
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26469721 - 02/05/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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One time this girl with dreadlocks got her hair caught in a press. And lost a big chunk. Immediately just walked out and left never to be heard from again. Obviously not physically hurt by it though.
I'll get a temp and 5 minutes into the day they want to do what those people over there are doing. Lol no.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26469737 - 02/05/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spiritually hurt tho, fosho. 
I can't wear my dreads any way but up and back and covered. If they didn't get caught in a machine I'm fucking with, they'd get burned or caught on shit or dipped in my coffee. All bad things.
If I had to get a real job, they would have to go. I wouldn't even apply with dreads to be honest. Lots of people don't take you seriously right off the bat and I don't really blame them tbh.
Any way you could see how many temps it takes to change a lightbulb? Just for kicks?
I only have help at the end of the year for a short time so there's never anyone around to fuck with a little.
Edit** "If Jeff Bezos Decided to Share His Fortune with The Planet...What Would You Do with Your $17.50?" When the haters eat all the rich and divide up their fortunes equally, we'll all be able to put that 400 bucks toward rent, once. Then we'll be broke again next month. But at least there won't be all those pesky billionaires out there employing people and ruining my day.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 1
#26469807 - 02/05/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think there's a middle ground here.
The old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is antiquated and outdated. It's not a level playing field and this mentality trivializes very real inequalities.
Similarly, we needn't totally strip Bezos of his 129 billion fucking dollars, but he can give back to the very society that allowed him to get that wealthy in the first place. How much? I don't know, but a lot. He's not going to become unmotivated. If he thinks "Well golly, I'm not getting out of bed for a measly 500 million" he can have that luxury. Similarly, if he's pissed about being taxed, he's free to see how well Prime does in Somalia.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: badchad]
#26469827 - 02/05/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Self-reliance will never go out of style.
Actually, it has mostly gone out of style, I correct myself.
But it will forever be an out for anyone not satisfied with their lack of progress by relying on others to meet their needs.
I still don't like the idea of arbitrarily deciding where someone else's money should go just because they have a lot of it.
What if your neighbor decided you have nicer things than them and just came over and redistributed your possessions? There's a legal term for that.
Like robbery or something.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26469859 - 02/05/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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susurrador said: Self-reliance will never go out of style.
Actually, it has mostly gone out of style, I correct myself.
But it will forever be an out for anyone not satisfied with their lack of progress by relying on others to meet their needs.
I still don't like the idea of arbitrarily deciding where someone else's money should go just because they have a lot of it.
What if your neighbor decided you have nicer things than them and just came over and redistributed your possessions? There's a legal term for that.
Like robbery or something.
Correct.
Now prepare to be flamed for being rational.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Loaded Shaman]
#26469868 - 02/05/20 08:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Flamed? I'll grab a doob. Doobs love a nice flame.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26469879 - 02/05/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There's something different about people who have negative emotions just because rich people exist. I don't recall ever being upset that there's billionaires
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26469891 - 02/05/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I remember hearing that if Bill Gates stacked all his loot in 1 dollar bills, it would reach to the moon... that was years ago.
I wasn't even mad, I was impressed.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26469904 - 02/05/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The old "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" is antiquated and outdated. It's not a level playing field and this mentality trivializes very real inequalities
True statement. My 1st job (legally) was at Taco Bell, I made 3.50-3.75 an hour I think. Some people do not want to be million or billionaires. They just want a nice wage without having to scrape by, and the major companies can provide that for them, but they do not. Not everyone wants to be on top or number one etc...some people value their lives and the way they spend it with their families and friends and actually living than spending 20 hours a day working towards a million or billion dollar empire.
The middle ground/class has been raped and absorbed by the greedy fuckers in businesses because, well, they can, and fuck ANYONE who tries to get in the way or make it ANY other way, it's just business. That's the nature of the beast that was created the day they made corporations a human entity.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador] 1
#26469911 - 02/05/20 08:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I still don't like the idea of arbitrarily deciding where someone else's money should go just because they have a lot of it.
We already do this with the current taxation system, and nearly all of our laws and regulations.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26469945 - 02/05/20 09:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are we sure the internet hasn't just made it possible for a business and individual to reach these heights due to being able to reach most of humanity as a possible customer base? Bill Gates and Jobs are similar stories. I think connectivity to customers has played a major role here as all 3 of these examples would not have been possible without the world going online. Elon Musk is a 4th example with Paypal.
Google tells me Amazon has over 100million customers worldwide and I think that's just on Prime.
When you're dealing with 100million customers, it doesn't take long to make that much dough.
100million x $12.99 is just under $1.3B generated every month just from subscriptions.
That's not considering student discounts, free months given, annual subscriptions, etc. But gives you a vague idea.
Amazon probably has several other streams of income as well within their platform.
I'm pretty sure that 12.99 x 100mil isn't stolen from anyone on a monthly basis.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: susurrador]
#26469995 - 02/05/20 10:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm not saying it was "stolen". I will state that some people have more opportunities than others and the system(s) are set up for the ones that have the most ops, or the really hard go getters who let NOTHING stand in their way. Some people are happy just being second or third banana, some people do not want great fortunes,and just want a living wage to support them and their families or themselves. I don't understand why wealthy people or others can't see that success is subjective to a lot of people, maybe all people, but that's a broad statement. So if the people that own businesses would just give a little bit more to the workers, they would be happier, and everyone would profit/win, but greed is an insidious thing and will not let anything or anyone else get in the way.
The last place I waited tables was doing great, good food, great location, and the workers were doing well. I pulled like 52 grand and brought home 46 in cash after taxes working 32-40 hours a week, a weekend day off, and days off pretty much when I wanted. BUT, because the profits overall weren't what that corp wanted they closed it and fucked everyone over. They would rather cut a limb off than have it making so so profit, even though it was PROFIT, they still fucked ALL the workers over by closing it. Greedy greedy fucks!
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26470018 - 02/05/20 10:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Opportunity and privilege The war cry of complainers.
Everyone has obstacles.
People really like to bitch when people with opportunity and privilege make the most of it.
Donal Trump has a ridiculously hard time speaking in public but that doesn't stop him from trying his best
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: bodhisatta]
#26470054 - 02/05/20 10:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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 It's mostly true, not all the way, but mostly. Some would argue that it is the sole reason(s). I came from nothing, and had an opportunity in my 40's (probably more, but I had partying to do, lol) that involved an ex. I had another opp but chose the one I knew would be better in the long run (maybe, still don't really know, but I am in a MUCH better place now and wouldn't trade it for the world) I made the sacrifices necessary and got a degree, it sucked ass, and was the hardest thing I ever did in my life, not just going back to school, but dealing with a soul sucking mind game playing manipulating asshole, but it has paid of infinitely. So yes, hard work reaps rewards, but some people just want some basic money enough to buy things without having to scrimp and scratch their way through life even though the work they are doing is "hard work" and may not seem so to some people. Not everyone wants to be a millionaire or even well off or rich.
You have to admit opportunity and privilege definitely have an upper hand in the grand scheme of things for the majority of people that have "made it". Or you don't have to admit it, it's a fact.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: The Influence] 2
#26470058 - 02/05/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Influence said: So if all these billionaires paid people more money no one thinks that would devalue the dollar and or drive prices up...leaving blue collar workers in the same position as before?
I only took a semester of college macroeconomics so maybe I'm not the most intelligent on the subject. But my basic understanding of inflation as well as supply and demand tell me that's the way it would be 
We already know what happens when labor gets a higher percentage of overall revenue, the 1950's-80's was a perfect example. US citizens had strong real wages and the standard of living was much higher on a relative basis. It was the best days in US history, obviously that's not longer the case.
The Elite HATE wage inflation, that's why they're always pro-globalization and pro-immigration. This is why Bezos is worth so much money, the labor market is favorable for him and other shareholders. Of course, rich people bribe our Representatives to make sure the labor market is in their favor.
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Re: Jeff Bezos' estimated personal wealth, as of this morning, is about $129,500,000,000.00 [Re: Ahab McBathsalts] 1
#26470065 - 02/05/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Influence said: So if all these billionaires paid people more money no one thinks that would devalue the dollar and or drive prices up...leaving blue collar workers in the same position as before?
I only took a semester of college macroeconomics so maybe I'm not the most intelligent on the subject. But my basic understanding of inflation as well as supply and demand tell me that's the way it would be 
Billionaires are the most mobile people in the world. If they don't like the tax laws in a country they can easily get citizenship in any other country of their choosing. Or lobby a more friendly country. They can relocate their corporate headquarters and never look back. Like Roman Polanski, but with more monies.
Peter Schiff doesn't even have that much money and he moved to Puerto Rico for it's easy tax laws. You don't even have to leave the USA to not pay any taxes on investment income, you can just move to hurricane alley for 182 days a year.
It's a silly argument, the rich are never going to leave the US and the protection it provides for their assets. Where are they going to go? China, Russia, Germany, Mexico? I don't think so.
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