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Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox * 1
    #26467213 - 02/03/20 05:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps the greatest irony of nutrition science is that plants are good for you largely because they are trying their best not to be.

Fibers and various phytochemicals function as plant defenses- in the same way that legs and claws function as animal defenses. They frequently make the nutrients less available for absorption, or modify our cells so that things that are absorbed are not used for energy production, storage, or growth. This encourages animals, including primitive man, to seek out other calorie sources.

Agriculture, food storage and transportation technology changed all of that. In the context of a society where calorie surplus is the norm, these plant "toxins" confer a health benefit. The exact same behavior that was once non selective has become selective.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: morrowasted]
    #26467215 - 02/03/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Plants and animals have been in an evolutionary arms race. Plants need to produce things like carbohydrates in order to store energy for their own needs, but doing so leaves them vulnerable to hungry predators. Plants that produce certain chemicals (for example, you may have heard of flavonols), or plants that produce arrangements of carbohydrates that are difficult to break apart, have traditionally had a selective advantage over other plants, because those features of the plant make the calories it contains less "available" for the animal to use.



Likewise, animals that produce chemicals called enzymes that can break apart those "toxins" or tightly-bound carbohydrates have traditionally had a selective advantage over other animals. If you have a dog, you may know that many substances that are toxic to dogs are not toxic to humans (and all of those are plants like grapes or cocoa), and those exact same foods that are toxic to dogs appear to be especially healthy for people (the reasons behind that are more complicated but involve something called hormesis).



Many preventable health problems we experience today are related to simply eating too much food, especially processed food. Because of this, it's actually advantageous for us to eat things that contain, for example, carbohydrates that our bodies are incapable of breaking down. These are referred to as fiber on nutrition facts labels.



This is a little oversimplified because there are selective advantages to making predators want to eat certain parts of the plant as well. Which is where fruit comes from, and which is why vegetables are healthier for you than fruit is.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: morrowasted]
    #26467347 - 02/03/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Hadn’t known this before.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26467358 - 02/03/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't eat fruit at all, but I eat a lot of vegetables.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: qman]
    #26467376 - 02/03/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't eat fruit at all, but I eat a lot of vegetables.



Not all fruits are equal, and not all veggies are equal.

Citrus fruits are relatively low in sugar and are packed with chemicals that reduce the ability of your body to use the sugar that they contain anyway. In addition to attenuating the overall glycemic index of your meal, they are very high in nutrients, including vitamin C, which in turn aids in the absorption of other nutrients like iron. Finally, the acidity of citrus fruits helps break down the cell wall of co-ingested plant matter, which improves nutrient availability (this is actually how PF tek works).

Conversely, white potatoes, which are vegetables, have essentially the highest glycemic of any naturally occurring food. They are also rich in nutrients, however, so while eating potatoes is certainly better than eating pure sucrose, it's worse than eating guava.


As a rule of thumb, however, vegetables tend to be more nutrient dense (contain a higher micronutrient:macronutrient ratio) than fruits. Since they frequently contain as many or more beneficial "toxins" as fruits, they tend to be the better choice.

Do not neglect grains and seeds, either. Bread has a bad reputation, but ancient grains and seeds are extremely nutrient rich. I put 1/4cup of a combination of hemp seeds, flax seeds, and steel cut oats in my morning smoothie, along with a variety of vegetables, fruits, and copious pure cocoa.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: morrowasted]
    #26467384 - 02/03/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Inhibitory Effects of Citrus Flavonoids on Starch Digestion and Antihyperglycemic Effects in HepG2 Cells

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These results demonstrate that Citrus flavonoids play important roles in preventing the progression of hyperglycemia, partly by binding to starch, increasing hepatic glycolysis and the glycogen concentration, and lowering hepatic gluconeogenesis. This work suggests that Citrus flavonoids might be potentially used for the prevention of postprandial hyperglycemia.




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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: morrowasted]
    #26467480 - 02/03/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Many preventable health problems we experience today are related to simply eating too much food, especially processed food. Because of this, it's actually advantageous for us to eat things that contain, for example, carbohydrates that our bodies are incapable of breaking down. These are referred to as fiber on nutrition facts labels.

This is a little oversimplified because there are selective advantages to making predators want to eat certain parts of the plant as well. Which is where fruit comes from, and which is why vegetables are healthier for you than fruit is.




Too much process food is indeed a culprit. Ive been avoding processed for 2 years now and experienced good changes in my part(less visits to the doctor). though the hardest to avoid interms of it in my case is process sugar that i aspire to eat more fruits like an ape instead.

I view both greens and fruits + few amount of grains way more benificial than meat+grains interms of our physiology, with greens, i sometimes ferment them for nutrional profile boost and for storage. Also i really love beans eg. Mung its a delicacy in our part and we usually sprout it in a day two before cooking to lessen its anti nutrients.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: qman] * 1
    #26468599 - 02/04/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't eat fruit at all...






Dang for real !?...Why not?

Do you not enjoy the taste of any fruit at all?...or do you have a specific reason for avoiding fruit?

There are so many fruits that have heavenly/divine flavors & textures. Eating fruit is one of my biggest pleasures in life, pineapples & mangoes & papayas & melons & cherimoya :drooling: , it's like eating straight up sunshine.





I can't imagine not having any fruit in one's diet...if I don't have some fruit to start my day or if fruit isn't the first thing that goes into my system, my entire day feel "off" lol.

I eat dif fruits through out the year depending on the season....right now my orange tree is loaded so I've been eating 2 to 3 or more big oranges every day since early November and I will continue to eat them every day until every last fruit on the tree is gone (usually around April). Then I switch to pineapples & papaya for a little while, then mangoes and lots of different melons through out summer (which I grow my self).





Morrow.....I enjoy these threads you've been posting over the past few months about health & foods/nutrition :awesome: :thumbup: .





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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: openmind]
    #26468747 - 02/04/20 03:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks, om


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: openmind]
    #26469115 - 02/04/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Tell me about this cherimoya. Sounds awesome


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: ichugwindex] * 1
    #26470438 - 02/05/20 02:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Tell me about this cherimoya. Sounds awesome






I don't want to go off-topic, but since you asked....





To me...Cherimoya smell almost like fruity pebbles cereal, or like a fruity cotton candy, it has a sweet melange going on with all sorts of fruity notes.

They inner flesh is white and almost custard like....soft & creamy and juicy.




The taste..For me it's like a combination of many delicious fruits, in harmony & balance. Notes of pineapple, mango, coconut, banana, strawberry, peach, honey, sometimes a little avocado in there, there is a lot going on....But I can't even really compare it to those other fruits/flavors because it's got it's own thing going on, it's a unique aroma/flavor but I do notice other familiar fruity notes in it....and all of those flavors are wrapped up in a soft note of vanilla-like sweetness that comes through at the end.

With that said...I'm really into fruits, and the subtleties in things...when I had my sisters and their friend try a cherimoya they weren't nearly as stoked on it as I was...All they had to say about it was "it sorta taste like mango" lol, but to me and my palate it is a divine & unique flavor and it is so damn delicious it drives me nuts..Taking a bite literally puts a smile on my face and makes me want to dance lol, I wish I could have seen the look on my face the first time I took a bite, it really is a blissful/heavenly flavor for me.....But perhaps not everyone gets as stoked about fruits and aromas/flavors as I do lol.

“Deliciousness itself” is how Mark Twain referred to the cherimoya.

There are other fruits in the genus "Annona" that are similar. (sour sop, custard apple, atemoya, etc.)...They are all custard-like with super fruity/complex flavors.






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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: openmind] * 1
    #26471081 - 02/05/20 08:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

They are amazing if you freeze and partially thaw

I am also kind of a fruit connoisseur. But really the classic apples and oranges are popular for a reason. Bananas are only popular bc they are absurdly cheap. Theres only one popular kind anyway. Love to talk about the differences between strains of apples and oranges

If yall haven't tried that new cosmic crisp, try it. They really outdid themselves. As a test I cut one in half and left it for 24 hours. 24hours later it showed no signs of browning. They are also just as tasty as honeycrisp but even crispier


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: morrowasted]
    #26471307 - 02/06/20 12:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Talk of fruits and vegetables, how of meat?

I bounce from no meat to meat and find different results with each consumption.

Could we have not lived on Mother’s milk all our life’s?


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #26471530 - 02/06/20 06:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Meat doesnt have these properties. These only thing about it that is good is that it is rich in vitamins and dense in bioavailable protein. Animals develop other defenses like legs and claws. These toxins that are good for you in plants are their specific kind of defense since they can't move.


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: openmind] * 2
    #26471572 - 02/06/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I got ahold of a few cherimoya last year. They were really expensive like $4-5 for something the size of an apple. God they were good though. Creamy almost, custardly like you said. I remember notes like coconut, pineapple, pear, banana, maybe some mango. Such a strange fruit. I saved the seeds even though I read the seeds don't produce as tasty of fruits than clones.. but God damn. That has to be the tastiest fruit on the planet


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26471597 - 02/06/20 07:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Dragonfruit chips are legit too.  I’d imagine if you got a good fruit (cloned from a red variety) it would be bursting with flavor.  The imported and white ones always suck


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Re: Why plants are good for you: The nutrient availability health paradox [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #26471681 - 02/06/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I got ahold of a few cherimoya last year. They were really expensive like $4-5 for something the size of an apple. God they were good though. Creamy almost, custardly like you said. I remember notes like coconut, pineapple, pear, banana, maybe some mango. Such a strange fruit. I saved the seeds even though I read the seeds don't produce as tasty of fruits than clones.. but God damn. That has to be the tastiest fruit on the planet





Noted...definitely gonna get some next time I have the opportunity.

I feel like I've seen them in specialty stores once or twice, but I may be confusing them with something else.  Where'd you find yours?


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