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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods]
    #26466205 - 02/03/20 02:18 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

I guarantee you that private industry does not get the most talented scientist. It simply is not the case.

Just look at the Nobel prizes. Most of the prize winning research is publicly funded (or not funded at all)


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods]
    #26466227 - 02/03/20 03:29 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Wow this is crazy, seems like it’s all a tangled web between government, private labs, university labs and everything. I had no idea it was this complicated idk what to think. What is the libertarian stance


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26466230 - 02/03/20 03:37 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Private industry only gets interested when a discovery has a reasonable chance of becoming a marketable product. They do not do basic research. Look at the list of best selling drugs on the market. There are a half dozen drugs that end with “MAB.” Those are monoclonal antibody drugs, and that class of drugs was discovered at the Max Planck institute, which is entirely funded by the government of Germany.

Probably the most common route for drug discovery and development is a university lab discovers and publishes promising research, and private industry buys the rights to develop it.


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods] * 1
    #26466233 - 02/03/20 03:49 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

What we need is a state owned pharmaceutical company that gets to develop products based off of state funded research. Stop auctioning off patents that end up being worth $20 billion dollars for a couple million.

Remember this is technology discovered by people funded by the German government:

https://www.axios.com/abbvie-humira-2018-sales-20-billion-e4039176-baeb-44ff-b4fe-1b63005283b9.html

Why can’t taxpayers see a dividend when the research they paid for is this profitable. Humira costs $5000 a dose.

Here we go:

The Case for a Public Option for the Drug Industry


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods]
    #26466235 - 02/03/20 03:57 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Taxpayers funded this HIV research. The government patented it. Now a company profits

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Thomas Folks spent years in his U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lab developing a treatment to block deadly HIV in monkeys. Then, San Francisco AIDS researcher Robert Grant, using $50 million in federal grants, proved the treatment worked in people who engaged in risky sex.

Their work — almost fully funded by U.S. taxpayers — created a new use for an older prescription drug called Truvada: preventing HIV infection. But the U.S. government, which patented the treatment in 2015, is not receiving a penny for that use of the drug from Gilead Sciences Inc., Truvada’s maker, which racked up $3 billion in Truvada sales last year.

Gilead argues that the government’s patents for Truvada for PrEP, as the prevention treatment is called, are invalid. And the government has failed to reach a deal for royalties or other concessions from the Bay Area company — benefits that could be used to distribute the drug more widely.

“With the amount of effort and time and taxpayer money that went into it, for CDC and Gilead not to come to an agreement, so the taxpayer could get some of that money, is really unconscionable,” said Folks, who is retired.




The patent for truvada is about to expire. Gilead is now marketing “Descovy” which is the same exact drug combo, they just changed one little thing; the type of salt and now they get another 17 years of exclusive rights.


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods] * 3
    #26466253 - 02/03/20 04:34 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Quad post. I’m fired up.

Ok there is a drug under patent that costs a couple hundred dollars a month. It is a combination of a an over the counter drug for acid reflux combined with sodium bicarbonate (baking soda.) Drug patents don’t mean a company owns the chemicals necessarily. A drug patent just means a company can market a specific chemical or combination to treat a particular ailment. I don’t blame the company for marketing $300 a month pills that contain chemicals you could buy at Walgreens for $10 a
Month. What is criminal is a doctor would write that prescription instead of telling the patient he could get the same treatment with generic OTC nexium and a $1 box of arm and hammer.


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods]
    #26467044 - 02/03/20 03:49 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

What "should" be, has nothing to do with what will be.

And what"should" be isn't necessarily static or the same in all places & all times.

It seems at times though that it would be nice if there were simple answers.


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods]
    #26467203 - 02/03/20 05:19 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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What is criminal is a doctor would write that prescription instead of telling the patient he could get the same treatment with generic OTC nexium and a $1 box of arm and hammer.




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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: koods]
    #26467540 - 02/03/20 08:57 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

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Private industry only gets interested when a discovery has a reasonable chance of becoming a marketable product. They do not do basic research.





Then why are they able to patent certain drugs and keep prices high? If you couldn’t do that prices would be lower and the research would still continue the same, right


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26467729 - 02/03/20 11:21 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

In some cases, DNA and enzymes can be patented. Most people who object to GMO's would consider gene therapy if their ass was on the line.


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26467739 - 02/03/20 11:32 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

they also patent DNA sequences


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #26468535 - 02/04/20 01:31 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

.  One aspect is that drug companies go to South & Central America, to find plants that native people have used therapeutically, for thousands of years. Take the native people's knowledge, then extract one chemical, and patent it, and sell it at an exorbitant price, while doing nothing for the  native peoples, and ignoring that the way the plant works may involve a synergy of a number of different chemicals.
.  If a patent just meant that they charge a small fee, for others to use it, that would be a different matter. But their whole way of doing business, is based on maximum profit, not real caring. Which is taken to absurd lengths.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=drug+overpricing%2C+penalty&t=h_&ia=web


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Re: Should you be able to patent a chemical? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26468639 - 02/04/20 02:34 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

The USA leads the world in new drug development; agruments have been made that the rest of the world freeloads off this.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fortune.com/2018/08/09/trump-drugs-prices-pharmaceutical-research/amp/


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