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InvisibleEvolving
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Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam
    #2646662 - 05/06/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)























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Re: The Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam [Re: Evolving]
    #2647032 - 05/06/04 08:38 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam [Re: Evolving]
    #2648184 - 05/07/04 12:06 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Hate them? No inshallah I don't hate them. But the Americans are two parts. There is the American people, and then there is the American government. The people of America, we have no problem with, and we like them to be our friends and for us to be theirs, in good and the bad times. There are no problems there. But the American government, with its co-operation with Israel, it's intent on dividing the Middle East, and Arabs and Muslims in particular. And this is a war on Muslims, as many clues attest to, such as declaring war on Afghanistan, and fighting Syria, and Iraq ? all of these, what's do they have in common? One element, and that is what? Islam." ~ Muqtada al-Sadr interview


"More than 200 Iraqis, including women and children, have been injured in the past 24 hours. The situation is getting worse. An ambulance carrying casualties was attacked on its way to the medical center." ~ Ahmad Mansur, Aljazeera correspondent in Falluja.


"What Muqtada Sadr did simply woke up the people. Now, the people have the guts to resist." ~ Sarmad Akram, food shop owner


"The Americans crossed oceans to come to us and spread their Western culture, molding our religion into their Western model. This is why the Muslims rise up in jihad." ~ Ali Midhat, a devout Sunni


"The Sunni people, the Shiite people, we share the same God, the same suffering under the Americans and the same goal, to end the occupation of Iraq... We have been working together, and will continue to work together, to see that our aims are met...We would be willing to see a peaceful solution. We do not like all the bloodshed. But we have no trust left for the Americans. They have proven themselves again and again to be liars." ~ Ammer al Husainie, the Mahdi Army leader in Sadr City.


"The Americans are civilized with values, morals and manners, isn't that right? If they are doing this because of the four Americans who were killed, why are they killing so many women and children and bombing the civilian districts?" ~ Yusuf, about the third day of the "overwhelming" military response US commanders had promised for Falluja.


"Don't go too far beyond the shrine. There are Polish snipers on the roof of the governor's building. They fire on anything that moves." ~ Mohammed Ali Kareem, an elderly draper, referring to Polish troops who are hunkered down, nervous, wary, and barely able to guarantee their own safety.


"many thousands of foreign fighters have indeed come "flooding" into Iraq ? not terrorists sent by Bin Laden but mercenaries hired by the occupation authorities." ~ Sami Ramadani


"These (U.S.) operations were a mass punishment for the people of Fallujah. It was not right to punish all the people of Fallujah and we consider these operations by the Americans unacceptable and illegal." ~ Adnan Pachachi one of the strongest pro-U.S. Iraqi Governing Council member denouncing the U.S. siege of Fallujah.


"Illegal and totally unacceptable." ~ Adnan Pachachi, a council member and respected former diplomat harshly criticizing U.S. military actions. Pachachi, less than three months ago had accompanied First Lady Laura Bush to the president's State of the Union address.


"We Iraqis are tired of all this fighting, why doesn't the US just leave us alone? What did we ever do to them?" ~ A man in Fallujah.


"Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani has sent a strongly-worded message to the Coalition forces, in which he warned them against attacking the Shiite shrine cities of Najaf and Karbala after the end of Arba'in. In this letter, Sistani warned the US that were the Occupation forces to wage a campaign against Karbala and Najaf, the religious leadership of the Shiites would fight to its last breath for the rights of the Shiites." ~ Juan Cole


"There is enough from the footage we've seen and from what has been said about what went on in Falluja to warrant a very serious investigation. We are deeply concerned about the consistent reports we are getting about women, children and unarmed civilians being killed." ~ Hania Mufti, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch, a New York-based rights group.


"I could see many bodies in the streets. Hundreds were lying in the street. Relatives were too scared to get them." ~ Samir Rabee, who escaped Fallujah relatives and eight other families in the back of a refrigeration truck.


"When our city and holy sites are attacked, we will all be time bombs in the face of the enemy." ~ al-Sadr, during Friday prayers at a mosque in Kufa.


"I hold her until Maki, a consultant and acting director of the clinic, brings me to the bed where a child of about ten is lying with a bullet wound to the head. A smaller child is being treated for a similar injury in the next bed. A US sniper hit them and their grandmother as they left their home to flee Falluja." ~ Jo Wilding


"We are facing what can be called ... war crimes, and the situation can no longer bear the actions of the occupation forces who are behaving outside all international laws... The human rights violations that happened in Falluja are very serious and the massacres that happened there are unprecedented." ~ Muhammad Tariq Abd Allah, speaking for the Falluja town council.


"When I saw it in the newspaper, I felt very sad. The flags of other Arab countries are red and green and black. Why did they put in these colors that are the same as Israel? Why was the public opinion not consulted?" ~ Muthana Khalil, supermarket owner in Saadoun.


"Violent military action by an occupying power against inhabitants of an occupied country will only make matters worse." ~ Kofi Annan, UN secretary general.


"Sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses... Breaking chemical lights and pouring the phosphoric liquid on detainees ... beating detainees with a broom handle and a chair; threatening male detainees with rape ... sodomising a detainee with a chemical light and perhaps a broomstick, and using military working dogs to frighten and intimidate detainees... and in one instance actually biting a detainee." ~ Major General Antonio Taguba, on torture by American soldiers on Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison.


"Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss" ~ 'Won't Get Fooled Again,' The Who


"The Americans are just as bad as Saddam Hussein. We think they will attack Muqtada in Najaf. We will defend our religious leaders." ~ Hamid al-Ugily, the leader of six men from Sadr city carrying a green flag who are spending two to three days walking to Kerbala.


"'We Are One Hand' ? Sunnis, Shiites Uniting Against U.S. in Iraq. Bremer, at the beginning, was a brother. But now he is worse than Saddam. Saddam said about us that we are a mob. And Bremer said the same thing ? he said that we are criminals." ~ Ali, in Sadr City's Jamila Wholesale Market.


"They break into houses in the middle of the night and arrest innocent people. And they give us less then we had under Saddam. People are jobless, they distort our religion and they're taking our oil and living in Saddam's palaces. Nothing has changed. They've become like him, yet they pretend they're here to help us." ~ "Continuous Jihad" a member of a Ramadi-based Sunni insurgent cell explaining how things turned so bad so quickly that a scattered insurgency gained broad support and the coalition-Shiite alliance began to crack.


"... as the animals outside gazed at the scene, it seemed to them that some strange thing was happening. What was it that had altered in the faces of the pigs? ... what was it that seemed to be melting and changing?...

... a violent quarrel was in progress. There were shoutings, bangings on the table, sharp suspicious glances, furious denials.

Twelve voices were shouting in anger, and they were all alike. No question, now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
~ 'Animal Farm,' George Orwell


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Re: Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam [Re: Evolving]
    #2649192 - 05/07/04 07:17 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Evolving said:
"Hate them? No inshallah I don't hate them. But the Americans are two parts. There is the American people, and then there is the American government. The people of America, we have no problem with, and we like them to be our friends and for us to be theirs, in good and the bad times. There are no problems there. But the American government, with its co-operation with Israel, it's intent on dividing the Middle East, and Arabs and Muslims in particular. And this is a war on Muslims, as many clues attest to, such as declaring war on Afghanistan, and fighting Syria, and Iraq ? all of these, what's do they have in common? One element, and that is what? Islam." ~ Muqtada al-Sadr interview




That explains why only governmental buildings were attacked on 9/11. Thanks for clearing that up Muqtada. We love you too.
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"The Americans crossed oceans to come to us and spread their Western culture, molding our religion into their Western model. This is why the Muslims rise up in jihad." ~ Ali Midhat, a devout Sunni




So our coming to their land in the past 2 years is the cause for an event that happened more than two years ago? Maybe our current invasion of Iraq is why the Cole got bombed. Fuck chronology!
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"The Sunni people, the Shiite people, we share the same God, the same suffering under the Americans and the same goal, to end the occupation of Iraq... We have been working together, and will continue to work together, to see that our aims are met...We would be willing to see a peaceful solution. We do not like all the bloodshed. But we have no trust left for the Americans. They have proven themselves again and again to be liars." ~ Ammer al Husainie, the Mahdi Army leader in Sadr City.




Why is it that the Arabs that are the most outspoken against the "bloodshed" are the ones that also support suicide bombing?
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"The Americans are civilized with values, morals and manners, isn't that right? If they are doing this because of the four Americans who were killed, why are they killing so many women and children and bombing the civilian districts?" ~ Yusuf, about the third day of the "overwhelming" military response US commanders had promised for Falluja.




Because the USA is pure evil, why else?
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"Don't go too far beyond the shrine. There are Polish snipers on the roof of the governor's building. They fire on anything that moves." ~ Mohammed Ali Kareem, an elderly draper, referring to Polish troops who are hunkered down, nervous, wary, and barely able to guarantee their own safety.




If they can barely provide their own safety, why are they such a risk to the Arab warriors?
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"We Iraqis are tired of all this fighting, why doesn't the US just leave us alone? What did we ever do to them?" ~ A man in Fallujah.




Tell me about it Fallujah man! Before Bush and his evil cohorts came to Iraq, it was a peaceful land of milk and honey. Except for the tortuer prisons. Other than that, peaceful land. Oh, and the wars Saddam had his peopel fight. And the starvation, and the gassings of ethnic minorities, but other than that, pretty peaceful. Oh, and the state-sponsored rapes of women. Other than that, peaceful.
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"Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani has sent a strongly-worded message to the Coalition forces, in which he warned them against attacking the Shiite shrine cities of Najaf and Karbala after the end of Arba'in. In this letter, Sistani warned the US that were the Occupation forces to wage a campaign against Karbala and Najaf, the religious leadership of the Shiites would fight to its last breath for the rights of the Shiites." ~ Juan Cole




I'm wondering if he issued a proclamation telling these fierce warriors not to hide in said mosques, or use them as shields. I'm betting not. Also, if it's the last breath of the Shiites that we need to hear to have peace in Iraq, thats the way it'll be.
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"There is enough from the footage we've seen and from what has been said about what went on in Falluja to warrant a very serious investigation. We are deeply concerned about the consistent reports we are getting about women, children and unarmed civilians being killed." ~ Hania Mufti, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch, a New York-based rights group.




They don't really say what party is doing the innocent killings. We know how much Arabs enjoy their killings of innocent people. Of course, when something bad happens, it's usually easier to just assume that it's the USA at fault.
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"I could see many bodies in the streets. Hundreds were lying in the street. Relatives were too scared to get them." ~ Samir Rabee, who escaped Fallujah relatives and eight other families in the back of a refrigeration truck.




Again, no implication or proof that the US Soldiers were responsible for such actions. But since Iraq was peaceful before teh USA got there ,I'm sure it's our fault.
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"When our city and holy sites are attacked, we will all be time bombs in the face of the enemy." ~ al-Sadr, during Friday prayers at a mosque in Kufa.




This is how these people behave in their house of worship? I can't even picture Catholics being so touched in the head.
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"I hold her until Maki, a consultant and acting director of the clinic, brings me to the bed where a child of about ten is lying with a bullet wound to the head. A smaller child is being treated for a similar injury in the next bed. A US sniper hit them and their grandmother as they left their home to flee Falluja." ~ Jo Wilding




What proof do we have that a US sniper did this shooting? The words of Jo Wilding who, if I'm not mistaken, wrote the article that was in question in a post Edame and I were discussing.
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"We are facing what can be called ... war crimes, and the situation can no longer bear the actions of the occupation forces who are behaving outside all international laws... The human rights violations that happened in Falluja are very serious and the massacres that happened there are unprecedented." ~ Muhammad Tariq Abd Allah, speaking for the Falluja town council.




War Crimes? In Iraq? this hasn't happened since plainclothes terrorists started blowing up American soldiers. Unprecdented!


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Re: Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2649294 - 05/07/04 09:10 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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That explains why only governmental buildings were attacked on 9/11. Thanks for clearing that up Muqtada. We love you too.

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So our coming to their land in the past 2 years is the cause for an event that happened more than two years ago? Maybe our current invasion of Iraq is why the Cole got bombed. Fuck chronology!




You're talking like Iraq & Al Sadr had something to do with 9/11 & Cole attack?!?. Even your government denied that connection existed.
USA turned Iraq from the worst enemy of Al-Quaeda into a terrorist friendly place.


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Re: Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2649577 - 05/07/04 12:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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germin8tionn8ion said:
That explains why only governmental buildings were attacked on 9/11. Thanks for clearing that up Muqtada. We love you too.



Please provide proof that Iraq's government funded and carried out the attacks of 9/11. While you're at it, please provide proof that Iraq possessed WMD's at the time of the U.S. invasion. Please provide proof that Iraq was a threat to the U.S., including descriptions of their ICBM's, what types of warheads they were armed with and the numbers they possessed. Please provide proof that Iraq possessed drones capable of reaching U.S. soil. Please provide a brief summary of Iraq's naval capabilities, including landing crafts and marine forces, which were a threat to the U.S. Please provide a description of their bombers and other manned aircraft capable of reaching the U.S., including rated payloads and range. Please provide proof that Iraq's secular government was actively aiding Islamic extremist (who want to bring theocracies to all Muslim countries) who were engaged in aggression against the U.S.

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So our coming to their land in the past 2 years is the cause for an event that happened more than two years ago? Maybe our current invasion of Iraq is why the Cole got bombed. Fuck chronology!



Huh? In case you haven't noticed, the U.S. invaded Iraq and is attempting the process of 'nation building' upon a people and culture they do not understand, nor APPARENTLY, care to understand. You really should pay attention to chronology and context, it would help you to better understand the world.

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Why is it that the Arabs that are the most outspoken against the "bloodshed" are the ones that also support suicide bombing?



The man is referring to the American invasion of Iraq and the suppression and murder of the Iraqi people at the hands of the self proclaimed 'liberators.'

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Because the USA is pure evil, why else?



No, but it appears that a great number of Americans revel in their own ignorance and are downright militant about it.

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If they can barely provide their own safety, why are they such a risk to the Arab warriors?



Duh! They have sniper rifles and "They fire on anything that moves." This would include non-combatants, including those people trying to leave the combat zone. There is no mention of 'Arab warriors.' Please read more carefully.

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Tell me about it Fallujah man!...



Re-read the quotes, read the links. They ARE telling you. They are telling you about the bombings, snipings and murder of innocent people, of the total destruction of their way of life. You demonstrate quite a bit of arrogance and susceptibility to American propaganda.

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They don't really say what party is doing the innocent killings. We know how much Arabs enjoy their killings of innocent people.



SOME Arabs kill innocent people. This is not an excuse nor a reason for other people to kill innocent people. Didn't your mother ever tell you that two wrongs don't make a right, or were moral teachings lacking in your upbringing?

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... since Iraq was peaceful before teh USA got there ,I'm sure it's our fault.



It was definitely more peaceful before the U.S. invaded. But I'm sure with all your years of living in Iraq, you have the experience to rebut that statement.

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What proof do we have that a US sniper did this shooting?



I'll tell you what, after you provide the proof I requested at the top of this post (about WMD, Iraq's capabilities of harming the U.S. and Iraq's responsibility for 9/11), I'll provide proof for this.

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War Crimes? In Iraq? this hasn't happened since plainclothes terrorists started blowing up American soldiers. Unprecdented!



Again, why would the wrongs of some people against the innocent or the actions of Iraqi's defending their homeland against an aggressive force justify American actions against innocent people? Do two wrongs make a right?

You have demonstrated the mindset which is leading to and will lead to the motivation for MORE terrorist attacks against innocent people. The quotes from 'Animal Farm' are apropos. Thanks for playing along.


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Re: Al Qaeda Recruitment Drive Gains Steam [Re: germin8tionn8ion]
    #2649585 - 05/07/04 12:09 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Evolving said:
"Hate them? No inshallah I don't hate them. But the Americans are two parts. There is the American people, and then there is the American government. The people of America, we have no problem with, and we like them to be our friends and for us to be theirs, in good and the bad times. There are no problems there. But the American government, with its co-operation with Israel, it's intent on dividing the Middle East, and Arabs and Muslims in particular. And this is a war on Muslims, as many clues attest to, such as declaring war on Afghanistan, and fighting Syria, and Iraq ? all of these, what's do they have in common? One element, and that is what? Islam." ~ Muqtada al-Sadr interview


germin8tionn8tion:
That explains why only governmental buildings were attacked on 9/11. Thanks for clearing that up Muqtada. We love you too.




Muqtada al-Sadr and his allies didn't blow up anything on 9/11.


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