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Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek
#26466568 - 02/03/20 10:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey all, As title mentions, I'm fruiting a couple cakes in jar with baggies on top per bod's easy af Tek. I'm mostly just getting pins on the sides of the jars and wondering if I should just take them out to fruit in a larger Jar for easier harvest?

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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: patreides5]
#26466632 - 02/03/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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For now I've moved them to a 1 gallon glass jar with plastic bag on top. I may add some perlite on bottom here shortly
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: patreides5]
#26466667 - 02/03/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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They'll be easy to harvest in those half pints as the sub will pull away from the sides and it will slip out pretty easily. They're side pinning because the fruits aren't liking your top surface conditions. That verm looks pretty wet. Maybe don't mist as much. Or just put them in a different container as you mentioned and leave them alone.
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26466685 - 02/03/20 11:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gotcha, thanks. Do you think perlite at the bottom of a 1 gallon glass jar is necessary?
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: patreides5]
#26466831 - 02/03/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Honestly, I've never used a SGFC or any fc that uses perlite, so my answer isn't backed up with experience, but I'd skip the perlite and container, and try to finish out this grow before you experiment.
I'd just keep the bag on and stop misting the Verm as often unless it's drying out. It's prob over saturated so it's looking to fruit elsewhere with better conditions (side).
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26466841 - 02/03/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I’d tighten the baggie. I’m sure BOD’s tek is more effective when done correctly, but I’ve had success top-fruiting quarts of grain by casing, putting cling wrap over the jar mouth and making 5-10 small holes in the plastic. Once the mush caps reach the plastic, I remove it completely - the fruit create a good enough micro-climate.
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: Zachsonpub]
#26466877 - 02/03/20 02:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright, I trust your more experienced judgement. Put them back in the jars with ziplock and won't mist for a day or so
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: feldman114]
#26466979 - 02/03/20 03:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: - the fruit create a good enough micro-climate.
I may be wrong about this but I'm almost positive mushrooms do not release humidity. The microclimate you are referring to is made by the substrate not the fruits.
Anyway.. ziplocks work great for top fruiting!
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy]
#26467031 - 02/03/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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TBH I meant the caps kinda close off the jar enough to keep the humidity up. But yeah you’re right, the humidity doesn’t come from the fruit.
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: feldman114]
#26467036 - 02/03/20 03:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy]
#26467156 - 02/03/20 05:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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feldman114 said: - the fruit create a good enough micro-climate.
I may be wrong about this but I'm almost positive mushrooms do not release humidity. The microclimate you are referring to is made by the substrate not the fruits.
Anyway.. ziplocks work great for top fruiting!

They might not release water vapor in the same way plants do VIA transpiration but anything that contains 90% water is going to release water through evaporation...
I've noticed that my tubs dont even start to sweat until I get my pins and the bigger they get the more humidity is on the walls. Probably because the draw water from the sub increasing surface area aiding in evaporation.
I'm assuming this to be true anyway...dodnt go reading up on it or anything...
Edited by SpunkyMonkey88 (02/03/20 05:05 PM)
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26467218 - 02/03/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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13shrooms said: the substrate is what evaps off the moisture to create humidity and the mushrooms hold the humidity close to the surface by forming a microclimate, even more so when mature with caps open. thats why we shoot for canopies so the microclimate is right for the next flush coming in.. it just doesnt always happen. 
the mushroom itself does not expel moisture, they do not sweat, the take in O2 and give off CO2 while absorbing moisture through their cells and growing via cellular expansion rather than division.
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy]
#26467265 - 02/03/20 05:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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13shrooms said: the substrate is what evaps off the moisture to create humidity and the mushrooms hold the humidity close to the surface by forming a microclimate, even more so when mature with caps open. thats why we shoot for canopies so the microclimate is right for the next flush coming in.. it just doesnt always happen. 
the mushroom itself does not expel moisture, they do not sweat, the take in O2 and give off CO2 while absorbing moisture through their cells and growing via cellular expansion rather than division.
Hmm ok well that sounds like it makes sense.. I'll have to look into it to make sure just because you would think anything that holds moisture will also loose moisture, unless its sealed up in something that isn't permeable...
I mean if you harvest all your shrooms and put them in an empty tub dont you think they would start to shrivel up? If so then they are releasing water. Unless it only happens after they are harvested for some reason... I'm not sure...
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy]
#26467278 - 02/03/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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feldman114 said: - the fruit create a good enough micro-climate.
I may be wrong about this but I'm almost positive mushrooms do not release humidity. The microclimate you are referring to is made by the substrate not the fruits.
Anyway.. ziplocks work great for top fruiting!

Hmm.. idk man, you don’t think fruits release moisture into the air? I feel like a tub of almost mature fruits has waaay higher rh than a tub of, say, pins. I could also be wrong, but I also feel almost positive 
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: fahtster]
#26467282 - 02/03/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going off a 13shrooms vs violet arguement so who knows
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy]
#26467290 - 02/03/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just feel like evaporation is part of the cycle of pulling water from the sub as it expands the fruits.. maybe why heavily misting fruits can stunt them because it clogs up the cycle.. but that’s just me thinking about shut and I have absolutely no scientific basis in that thought.. so nobody quote me ffs 
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: fahtster]
#26467957 - 02/04/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said:
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feldman114 said: - the fruit create a good enough micro-climate.
I may be wrong about this but I'm almost positive mushrooms do not release humidity. The microclimate you are referring to is made by the substrate not the fruits.
Anyway.. ziplocks work great for top fruiting!

Hmm.. idk man, you don’t think fruits release moisture into the air? I feel like a tub of almost mature fruits has waaay higher rh than a tub of, say, pins. I could also be wrong, but I also feel almost positive 
Faht
Ya thats what I'm saying... my tubs barely have condensation until they fruit and there is progressively more moisture on the walls relative to their size. When they're mature those walls are drippin...
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: SpunkyMonkey88]
#26468115 - 02/04/20 09:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That’s pretty weird. My tubs have condensation all over the walls and lid literally 2 days after spawning.🤷🏻♂️
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: feldman114]
#26468130 - 02/04/20 09:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Putting fresh fruits in a ziplock doesnt coat the bag in 'moisture'.
Maybe I shouldn't of brought it up sorry op
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy]
#26469117 - 02/04/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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No prob, interesting discussion. I'm too new to have much of an opinion on it. My main concerns with fruiting in sides were harvesting- at right time and ease of access. Maybe getting an easy spore print too from a cap not squished.
FWIW, I actually forgot the dry verm later originally and just covered with gauze after I remembered. It was from syringe several months old too
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: mushboy] 1
#26469353 - 02/04/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Putting fresh fruits in a ziplock doesnt coat the bag in 'moisture'.
Maybe I shouldn't of brought it up sorry op
Dont be sorry this is an interesting thread.
I think that if you go to Arizona in Summer with 0 humidity and 110F you will lose moisture (you can dehydrate and die) but you don't sweat.. I would assume that mushrooms do create a micro-climate based on FAE VS Humidity levels. If there is more dry air, they wick their moisture into the air. If there is a denser humidity they become heavy and can absorb the excess moisture in the air. But this is not something I have seen discussed and would like to see more input.
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: Sockadin]
#26471089 - 02/05/20 08:50 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well in the one jar I harvested the 2 big ones growing on the side. I'll give it a few more days for more pins before I dunk again. The other Jar still developing a bunch on the side, none ready to harvest yet.
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: patreides5]
#26471097 - 02/05/20 08:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Pic of one of the big ones, B+
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: patreides5]
#26471140 - 02/05/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Eat it now!
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: Sockadin]
#26471150 - 02/05/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Eat it now!
Quick!
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Re: Pinning on side of jar? Bod's fruiting tek [Re: Sockadin]
#26471278 - 02/05/20 11:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I ate the one about half its size, 6 g fresh, zomgz feeling fantastic ))
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