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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26469509 - 02/05/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Terrific subject. The truly beautiful thing is they all exist in their respective domains and we don’t have to pick a favourite. But...my favorite is Psilocybin :smile: To quote Whitman: “Very well I contradict myself; I contain multitudes.”

I am most interested in the four classics (Mescaline, Psilocybin, DMT, LSD).

As far as I’ve read, 5-MeO-DMT seems to be the bonafide fifth addition, but I’ve never done it, so I can’t comment.

DPT and MET are perhaps worthy of inclusion as sixth and seventh. To put it crudely from my limited experience, DPT is a wacky, profound, unforgiving thing; MET is like DMT but you can take a little more home. These are more obscure, though DPT less so. It’s currently unregulated, but probably not for long.

From there we have the fleetingly psychedelic honorable mentions. Ketamine is probably the closest, but it also has the odd nature of being a drug of possible addiction. This conversely makes it very un-psychedelic in a way. The dissociative release of self lends itself to escapism. Take a high enough dose of Ketamine and you’ll forget your own name and think you can speak to dolphins. A weird one, for sure.

In the in between, Shulgin substances and modern research chemicals galore weave there way delicately in and out. Psychedelic? Sure...or not. A matter of opinion, each being their own thing. There are so damn many of them.

And then we have things that get called psychedelic but just aren’t. I don’t think MDMA is psychedelic in any way, whatsoever, period. I think it’s a pleasure drug pure and simple. It has become the modern cocaine, more neurotoxic. I don’t like the way it makes me feel at all personally. Like some kind of therapy I don’t need. Gross. I also do not think weed is a psychedelic (though I don’t view it negatively). Weed is just...weed.

Of the classic four here are my thoughts for anyone interested:

LSD feels the simplest to me and least nuanced compared to the rest, as mind blowing as it is. It was the first psychedelic I took and I think is generally a great first psychedelic to take. With acid though more is just more, at least in comparison to mushrooms, where the experience is different at different dosages, sometimes feeling like a different drug entirely. That’s a whole subject unto itself. Nevertheless, a high dose LSD trip (400-600mcg) is definitely something else, something remarkably profound. LSD is responsible for a massive paradigm shift in western culture. We are living in a world very much framed by the changes LSD instilled in art, performace, computing, culture itself...you name it. It’s effects are everywhere. It is highly beloved to me personally for the love and awe it instilled in me for what humanity is capable of. It promotes wonder and intrigue in the clearest fashion of the four, I think. It’s not all light though. It can stir up that “witchy” vibe, which always cracked me up. I think it’s its best joke...the Manson family evidently didn’t think of it as a joke at all, though.

DMT is an unfathomable destruction of reality, a journey thrusting one into another dimension in the most rapid form of ascension. You are immediately confronted with a sort of forced conclusion you must accept of “nothing to prove, nothing to lose.” The contact with beings of genuine existence in the place is never not suprising. It’s hard for me to know what to make of it all. It leaves a profound afterglow of awe but also confusion. Of the classic four psychedelics, this is the most ineffable among the ineffables. I am speaking of smoked DMT as I’ve not tried ayahuasca yet.

Mescaline to me is a little bizarre. The phenethylamine world unleashed as a classic psychedelic. There are parts of the experience I like and others I dislike. First of all, the experience is by far the most blatantly sensual of the four. No other classic psychedelic will have you feeling so pleasant to the touch, and when touching things (similar to it’s phenethylamine cousin MDMA). This can be nice, and it can also be annoying when it becomes intense. Furthermore, it is very much like LSD in “vibe” (minutia focus on household objects, art...refraction of light are beautiful, etc). Appreciation of nature is amplified perhaps more than any other psychedelic for some. It also gives you a SHIT ton of energy (similar to it’s phenethylamine cousins amphetamine and methamphetamine). It pumps you full of love, but also a raw force of aggression (massive, twelve hour long drum circle...commence!). That part I am often not into. I’ve got plenty of energy already. In conclusion, mescaline and cacti are somewhat strange ones for me. While it’s of course entirely it’s own thing, it’s not as unreasonable as it mind sound to compare a heavy mescaline trip to taking a strong dose of LSD, two medium strength, spaced doses of MDMA, and a low or medium dose of swallowed methamphetamine. The last part may sound alarming...but if you've ever really gone down the mescaline/cacti road, you know it has a speedy element. And don’t read to far into that...I am simply making a raw comparison of the FEEL of it. Some people might take issue with this. Yes, meth unto itself is horrific and toxic; the soul destroyer. Hence why I’m only making a rough comparison. And it’s my own personal interpretation/experience of which I am speaking. I’ve felt uncomfortably amped up during some of my cacti trips. Indigenous peoples (and others) will take it during journeys on foot and walk for days with little or no food. So...it’s a thing. Enough said.

Psilocybin. I could go on forever. Mushrooms are underrated by the psychedelic community at large I think. Most people don’t take enough. Psilocybin is like a sort of technology of flight into the entheogenic unknown for me every time. Mushrooms for me represent the chemical and organic epitome and vast depth of exploration in every sense. On a high dose mushroom trip, I can go into the “beyond,” but I mostly can understand it and bring it back, unlike DMT. Mushrooms are the most intriguing to me as an ongoing endeavor. After 20+ high dose LSD trips I got the proverbial message that I had gotten the message, and to hang up the phone. I’ve never gotten that with psilocybin. Always more to learn, more room to grow. Also, so much is possible with cultivation. A multitude of established strains to start with, and the ability to isolate...explore. Penis Envy isolates, what fun! I do think ego inflation is the most possible or likely on mushrooms, LSD second, but this mostly happens to me when I haven’t tripped in a while and haven’t been “working” toward something cumulative in benefit. I like the duration length. Speaking of duration, this has gotten long...in conclusion, mvsh cult for life :mushroom2: :cheers:


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Psilotyl]
    #26469961 - 02/05/20 09:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Great post, Psilotyl, thanks for sharing 👍🏻


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26470326 - 02/05/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Niffla said:

I only have had one San Pedro experience in my entire life, and I think I made a big mistake by not purging.

Because the body load kept me basically glued to the couch the entire time. And it was a long time, lol.




Mescaline is funny like that.  I usually get that heavy, unable to move feeling for the first half of the trip.  Then during the second half the energy usually kicks in and I'm amped.  But every trip is different.  You should try it again.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26470815 - 02/05/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Niffla said:

I only have had one San Pedro experience in my entire life, and I think I made a big mistake by not purging.

Because the body load kept me basically glued to the couch the entire time. And it was a long time, lol.




Mescaline is funny like that.  I usually get that heavy, unable to move feeling for the first half of the trip.  Then during the second half the energy usually kicks in and I'm amped.  But every trip is different.  You should try it again.




So when I tried it, this was...something like a dozen years ago. At least.

I used the boil down method of boiling and straining for some 8 hours or whatever it was. And I did a terrible job for the record as I was left with like 20 ounces of that sludge.

Is there any better, quicker ways of preparing and consuming?


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Niffla] * 1
    #26470928 - 02/05/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There are many ways to do it.  The tea method is my favorite.  If you let the tea sit in the fridge for a couple of days then the particles will separate and settle to the bottom.  Then you can pour off the liquid and discard the particles.  The liquid you are left with is a lot easier on the stomach and causes less nausea.  Those particles are really nasty to drink.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26470975 - 02/05/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks. I'll look into the tea method.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Niffla]
    #26471002 - 02/05/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The tea method is what you already described: boiling the cactus in water for hours and then straining out the cactus.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26471047 - 02/05/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Grey Fox said:
The tea method is what you already described: boiling the cactus in water for hours and then straining out the cactus.




oh

lol :lol:

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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Niffla]
    #26471055 - 02/05/20 08:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No worries.  I only ever ate the raw cactus and drank the tea.  But there are people here who have tried other methods.  Pandemoon has a great sounding method for making resin balls.  But tea is the classic method.  It definitely works.  The more you do it the more you tweak the routine and get a little better everytime.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Grey Fox]
    #26471057 - 02/05/20 08:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I only ever ate the raw cactus




wow how was that?


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: Niffla]
    #26471066 - 02/05/20 08:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

At first it wasnt bad.  You just pull out the spines with pliers.  Then you peel off the waxy outer skin.  If the core is woody you can discard it.  And you eat everything else.

Its really efficient.  Nothing gets wasted.  But you're limited by how much cactus you can eat.  And for me, the taste kept getting worse and worse everytime.

They key is to use potent cactus, like bridgesii.  For getting aquantained with the cactus, using smaller doses of potent cactus... used like that its a pretty good method.


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Re: Favorite Psychedelic Substance [Re: TokeItUp12]
    #26471211 - 02/05/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

LSD.

Mushrooms are a close second though.

Edit; Also, 5-meo-dmt sucks.


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