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What is a Grafted Loph ?
    #26465753 - 02/02/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have read conflicting reports about alkaloid content in grafted LW plants.  It seems most people say grafted plants do not contain the important alkaloids. If that is true would a grafted plant be legal? You can purchase a grafted tree - like one called a Weeping Cherry which is a cherry tree grafted to a weeping willow root stock. It has limbs which look like the willow but blooms like a cherry.  Once grafted the weeping cherry is neither a cherry tree nor a weeping willow tree... So if you graft a LW to a pereskiopsis the resulting plant is not a Loph or a pereskiopsis, it is something else isn't it? Any thoughts? Has anyone heard of a court argument about this?


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Re: What is a Grafted Loph ? [Re: EricDeInstigator]
    #26466175 - 02/03/20 01:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I would say it’s still a Lophophora :shrug: I’m sure the the law wouldn’t care what it’s grafted on. I’m pretty sure they still contain Alkaloids when grafted just not in the same quantity.


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Re: What is a Grafted Loph ? [Re: SFS96]
    #26466447 - 02/03/20 08:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

AFAIK boosting grow does not also speed up alkaloid production which instead seems to build up more over time with stress and age. Grafting gives you a better headstart to get the plant growing but beyond a certain point it will still need to age and I guess get some stress if you're into that.

I don't even live in the US and don't know of how many people growing some Lophs casually really get in trouble for it and seems that often it would be conspiring circumstances and/or bad luck that get you caught to begin with. But when you do, it is argued that the legal system is just too shitty and not even growing false Lophs may get you out of it even though they don't contain any mesc but do look the part.

There are often plea deals from what I understand, where basically it matters more about the cost of trial than whether you are innocent or not, and you may be at the mercy of basically total prejudice and ignorance a la 'if it looks and quacks like a peyote it is a peyote'.

So IMO it isn't really always as much about where the legal line really lies but what risks people are willing to take, how much a community would even care to prosecute you for growing some peyotes and how it plays out in practice.

And AFAIK they won't fall for your argument anyway for the same reason that these plants but also their hybrids are illegal, if you take Trichocereus / Echinopsis (San Pedro type) cacti.
IDK how much precent there is but i will personally bet that it won't really matter and you can't expect a court to appreciate the subtleties of botany or be interested in the differences.


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Re: What is a Grafted Loph ? [Re: SFS96]
    #26467004 - 02/03/20 03:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I am afraid you are right.  There is a general fear of hallucinogens which is hard to overcome no mater how reasoned and logical the arguments.


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Re: What is a Grafted Loph ? [Re: Solipsis]
    #26467026 - 02/03/20 03:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You may not live in the US or in a rural area but I think you nailed attitude most folks in my home town.  Honestly I don't think anyone including police would know what they were looking at unless there was a reason to suspect drug use etc.  Even for urine tests and blood tests Mescaline is not tested for... it is just very rare.  I hope I never need to make such arguments in a court!  Frankly, I don't eat any cacti, I just think it is amazing to have something so rare.  I have a spiritual connection to growing living things and hope to put some back in the wild.


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Re: What is a Grafted Loph ? [Re: EricDeInstigator]
    #26467807 - 02/04/20 01:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah there definitely easy to get away with, I’m growing ariocarpus as far as anyone is concerned.


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Re: What is a Grafted Loph ? [Re: SFS96]
    #26469406 - 02/04/20 10:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Definitely good to have a receipt for your ariocarpus... A receipt from a mainstream vendor if possible (ebay or Amazon) .  How on earth could you get anything dangerous from amazon or ebay ?


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