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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26465543 - 02/02/20 03:58 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

you can never assume potency since it varies from mushroom to mushroom, literally.

edit: some may disagree, but in my experience with psychoactive mushrooms,  pins are always stronger and so are fruits stressed by cold weather or other conditions.


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    #26465545 - 02/02/20 04:02 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: stevo]
    #26465547 - 02/02/20 04:03 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

but did you experience the hives (big whelps) on your face or torso?


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    #26465598 - 02/02/20 04:36 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: stevo]
    #26465613 - 02/02/20 04:49 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Madmuncher explicitly stated that he had hives, itching and scratchy throat,  they are symptoms of allergic reaction.

What you are describing is something else all together and is most likely psychosomatic, Madmuncher was on the verge of a life threatening complication.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Doc9151]
    #26465658 - 02/02/20 05:13 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Madmuncher explicitly stated that he had hives, itching and scratchy throat,  they are symptoms of allergic reaction.





If they weren't hallucinations, that is. I've had my skin literally look like snake skin on high doses. :lol:


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26465685 - 02/02/20 05:36 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Madmuncher explicitly stated that he had hives, itching and scratchy throat,  they are symptoms of allergic reaction.





If they weren't hallucinations, that is. I've had my skin literally look like snake skin on high doses. :lol:



I agree that could be a possibility, no doubt that someone could have a full blown psychoactive dose from a few Gymnopilus pins, even though the consensus is that they are weak, I've definitely underestimated some cubes a few times. You never know when they will be potent af.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: stevo]
    #26465706 - 02/02/20 05:50 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

I just look crazy when I look in the mirror while tripping, usually kind of sallow looking and wide eyed with a twinkle in my eyes, can be disturbing to a newbie.

I know people that have stopped tripping after seeing themselves in the mirror and thinking about how fuked up they look.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: stevo]
    #26465710 - 02/02/20 05:51 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Im not even convinced its a hallucination, totally.




"Altered perception" might be a viable term? Psilocybin is not a joke, imho, whatever it actually is.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26465714 - 02/02/20 05:53 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Looking in the mirror takes me to very disturbing places. Glad you made it out muncher.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: breeg89]
    #26465736 - 02/02/20 06:06 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

altered perception is what I would call it.

breeg, that's me, it can get really dark for me and I seem to tap into a devilish like personality that scares me.

There was only one out hundreds of trips that has ever totally freaked me out and tapped into a side of me that I never knew existed.  Homicidal thoughts flooded my mind, there was a voice in my head I hadn't heard before and was urging me on.

When I confronted it, immediately I experienced sensations of my own impending death. To me it's the closest thing to ego death I can ever think of experiencing.

For years I would laugh at other people that have done stupid shit,  like running naked  in the streets or worse. The feelings and urges this voice brought forth gave me a new respect for hallucinogens, realized how easy it is to let something like that take control and wake up to a nightmare the next day not knowing exactly what happened.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26466050 - 02/02/20 10:11 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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they look like something in Gymnopilus aeruginosus-luteofolius clade.





:whathesaid: That's what I'd call them, can't tell the exact species.

Really weird that they basically have no scales. They look potent as all fuck. So glad you're okay man, I was really worried about you.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Doc9151]
    #26466177 - 02/03/20 01:32 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Homicidal thoughts flooded my mind, there was a voice in my head I hadn't heard before and was urging me on.




I've had them too. But it was like I was observing them in third person simultaneously as I had them. It was freaky but
I was able to discern them in context of my trippy mindset. I had in no way any urge to act on these thoughts, yet it
was pretty scary all the same. And they would disappear when I shifted my attention onto something else.

Not that I could have done anything harmful in such a state, I was peaking, nailed to my bed, unable to move.

But no, the mirror is not a good tool for the psychedelic experience. There is much sense in McKenna's "silent darkness".
And the Mexican shamans also insist on not taking mushrooms in daylight, saying you'll go crazy.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26466700 - 02/03/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Mushrooms give me what feels like mild allergies.  If I have contacts in my eyes become so irritated I have to take them out which is not fun on powerful trip.  More mucus than normal and other allergy like effects.


LSD does it to me as well so maybe its just tryptamines in general?


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26466724 - 02/03/20 12:06 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Homicidal thoughts flooded my mind, there was a voice in my head I hadn't heard before and was urging me on.




I've had them too. But it was like I was observing them in third person simultaneously as I had them. It was freaky but
I was able to discern them in context of my trippy mindset. I had in no way any urge to act on these thoughts, yet it
was pretty scary all the same. And they would disappear when I shifted my attention onto something else.

Not that I could have done anything harmful in such a state, I was peaking, nailed to my bed, unable to move.

But no, the mirror is not a good tool for the psychedelic experience. There is much sense in McKenna's "silent darkness".
And the Mexican shamans also insist on not taking mushrooms in daylight, saying you'll go crazy.




I believe there needs to be more work done with psychedelics and mental illness.  I was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and hate pills. But only after using psilocybe mushrooms did I actually understand what was going on in my own head, and have never had any more problems with it. Maybe it depends on the type of schizophrenia/level of progression but I definitey believe they can help people with mental illnesses. 

Never heard of tripping during the day making you go crazy.  I love day tripping watchung the trees and grasses blowing in the wind, like watching them grow right in front of you.  Sky changing colors you cant see that during night, the energies are totally different from night and day tripping.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26466791 - 02/03/20 12:57 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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I believe there needs to be more work done with psychedelics and mental illness.  I was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and hate pills. But only after using psilocybe mushrooms did I actually understand what was going on in my own head, and have never had any more problems with it. Maybe it depends on the type of schizophrenia/level of progression but I definitey believe they can help people with mental illnesses. 




This is a very interesting topic, every time psychedelics and mental illness - schizophrenia in particular - is mentioned, I think of this man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Wain

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Never heard of tripping during the day making you go crazy.




No I don't seriously believe you go crazy from day tripping, it was a quote from one of R. Gordon Wasson's books or articles about Maria Sabina, where
this was the common thought regarding the mushrooms. Of course, they saw this as a wholly different phenomenon than the modern psychonauts do.

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I love day tripping watchung the trees and grasses blowing in the wind, like watching them grow right in front of you.  Sky changing colors you cant see that during night, the energies are totally different from night and day tripping.




Absolutely. But I find the medium doses to work best in this context. The heavy meltdowns are for me pointless outdoors, since
absolutely everything around me changes into a completely new scenery, like the common world is ripped away.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26466806 - 02/03/20 01:05 PM (4 years, 14 days ago)

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Madmuncher explicitly stated that he had hives, itching and scratchy throat,  they are symptoms of allergic reaction.





If they weren't hallucinations, that is. I've had my skin literally look like snake skin on high doses. :lol:




this was what i was assuming all of my symptoms were (hallucinations) and that definitely delayed me taking benadryl or reacting to them at all for a good hour or two. within 45 minutes of drinking that tea (on an empty stomach) i was having involuntary muscle movements, twitching and shaking a little, especially went i went outside and was talking to somebody but this happens when i am tripping sometimes so i didnt think anything of it. the weird breathing sensations occur during a normal heavy dose, but this was clearly different. it took me a few hours to convince myself something was wrong, even though the symptoms were bordering on severe. i finally looked in the mirror and my face and neck were fucked up hives everywhere. not hallucinations, i mean when i looked at my face i was definitely hallucinating but the hives were not an illusion. its difficult to describe now. i did my best during the experience because i knew it'd be hard to describe the next day and man we need to educate people about the allergies on those. that could have been really bad. i could have very easily take 2-3 times the dose i did. i cant imagine what would have happened if i had actually eaten the fruits.

as i was starting to come down the allergy symptoms grew worse, and i think the benadryl kept it bearable. im a little nervous to try eat psilocybes now. i really wonder. guess we'll find out soon haha i always wondered if i had a slight allergy to psilocin/cybin because i do get (usually very mild) symptoms that increase intensity with higher doses

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Whoa man, I just reread your experience in the original report, that I must have skimmed over.  Ive had the same experience I had.  This sounds very close to a 10g cube experience.  I mean like to the exact.  I ate without scale and reweighed the bag later determining this.  That breathing thing is all too familiar and frightening when its actually happening.

It went like this...

~2 hours later, nothing

Then I black out and fall asleep

Woke up out of a dream an hour or so which seemed like an eternity, with vague memories of it.  Hacking up like a quart of loogies every time I coughed.

Next 5 or 6 hours doing that annoying breath in breath out in manual chore mode.  Wasnt automated and scared me.  But not really trippy visual stuff just kind of disconnected.  No hives that I remember, just lots of phlegm and an restless anxiety of forgetting to breath.

Questions,

1. Were you tripping hard?  I have always got more of the other effects not the psilocybin from these, and 100g is like a microdose.

2. Do you think, too many spores?

3. Also, did you take other drugs or drink any alcohol?




1- yes. i have a hard time qualifying/quantifying my trips. i was really high, pupils blown, laughing, giggling talking to myself all night like a normal trip, mild hallucinations (fuzzy haze, irregular eye movements, mild object distortion). it seemed like a really good time for people who wont die from eating them.

2- no idea. all fruits used were pins with the veil still intact except 1 or 2

3- cannabis
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I believe there needs to be more work done with psychedelics and mental illness.  I was diagnosed with schizophrenia, and hate pills. But only after using psilocybe mushrooms did I actually understand what was going on in my own head, and have never had any more problems with it. Maybe it depends on the type of schizophrenia/level of progression but I definitey believe they can help people with mental illnesses. 




This is a very interesting topic, every time psychedelics and mental illness - schizophrenia in particular - is mentioned, I think of this man:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Wain

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Never heard of tripping during the day making you go crazy.




No I don't seriously believe you go crazy from day tripping, it was a quote from one of R. Gordon Wasson's books or articles about Maria Sabina, where
this was the common thought regarding the mushrooms. Of course, they saw this as a wholly different phenomenon than the modern psychonauts do.

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I love day tripping watchung the trees and grasses blowing in the wind, like watching them grow right in front of you.  Sky changing colors you cant see that during night, the energies are totally different from night and day tripping.




Absolutely. But I find the medium doses to work best in this context. The heavy meltdowns are for me pointless outdoors, since
absolutely everything around me changes into a completely new scenery, like the common world is ripped away.





psilocin/psilocybin is good medicine. the first time i felt good feelings since my wife died, eating azures a year after she passed. its helped me a lot with learning how to accept it and figure out how to cope. still have to put up with endless bullshit of life daily, there is no escape, but they help make the load more manageable.

sit and talk to myself alllllll night. get to know me a little better each time

nighttime feels much much much much safer i can hide. i think the mushroom experience makes us primal in ways. i always feel like a cat


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26466984 - 02/03/20 03:06 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Ive never heard of the Louis Wain guy, was an interesting read though.

More studies need to be done than with the pills, They definitely made things way worse. In my case at least. It did take several years of microdosing/hard trips from time to time. But everytime Id always feel better, and noticed time between episodes started getting longer apart and shorter durations.

But yeah I agree definitely no heavy doses if youre going to be walking around, unless someone with you is completely sober. The woods are always beautiful and you can feel their connections.
Being aware that your on them is always a good reminder.

I know doctors have that allergy test.  I know mushrooms are on there but dont know about psilocybe/psilocin or other alkaloid, tryptamines etc.  You may have to ask for a specfic type of chemical allergy test I have no idea.


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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: bloodycarcass]
    #26467527 - 02/03/20 08:51 PM (4 years, 13 days ago)

Damn yeah I hope the allergen was just something in the gyms and not psilocin itself. I found some other shit about gyms causing allergic reactions (G. juonius in this case):

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13289351/fpart/2/vc/1#13289351

And the wiki pages for some Gymnopilus species say they may cause allergic reactions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus_flavidellus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus_chrysopellus

Hopefully Psilocybe species will continue to be fine, but definitely a good idea to get an epipen if you do them again.


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