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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Doc9151] 1
#26465208 - 02/02/20 12:38 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Anglerfish, just because someone doesn't have history of an allergy doesn't mean it it isn't there, some allergies develop over years and some are immediately apparent. I have seen this firsthand, some people can have mild symptoms over years and not recognize it as an allergic response, but all the sudden it rears its head and then it's full blown anaphylaxis.
That makes sense. I'm not known to have any issues with allergy myself, but it happens from time to time I get itchy and red when taking a shower. Maybe allergy, maybe not, I think. So to have an allergy without being aware is possibly common, I don't know.
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edit: in reference to the time frame you mentioned, it's not usual for slow onset, it depends on his bodies reaction and how it starts producing histamines.
What I thought, but on the other hand an hour coming up on psilocybin is plenty of time for paranoia to grow on him. Then again I don't really know what six of these mushrooms could do or how far they'd take him. To my understanding they aren't very potent - please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish] 1
#26465239 - 02/02/20 12:58 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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you get red and itchy after showers because you are removing the natural oils in the skin and removing dead tissues.
Gymnopilus is known to be weak but I think it would be a mistake to underestimate them, we both know how variable potency can be from one mushroom to another.
edit: punctuation and spelling corrections
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i am good that was fucking crazy. thank you guys for caring i love you all please be careful with those things. they are way different than normal shrooms it reminded me a lot of muscaria effects+ psilocin.
i did not go to the hospital i stayed up as long as i could and passed out hard slept like a dead man. so weird. when i was falling asleep i kept forgetting to breathe that was kind of freaky. i was really wondering if i was gonna wake up. i took a few tokes and my whole respitory system seemed like it was gonna shut down. really strange sounding wheezing. i think my kidneys are hurting now.
please be careful with gymns and tell your friends the same! i was clueless and feel pretty dumb for not doing more research first the pins on those are very very potent.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26465298 - 02/02/20 01:26 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I so glad you're alright man
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26465328 - 02/02/20 01:42 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Welcome back to Earth, man! Good to hear you're all okay. 
What do you think - was it allergy or was it due to the effects of the mushrooms?
Can't get access to the full text but the following article may be of interest:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22572385
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: N0Tmushroom2THINK] 1
#26465335 - 02/02/20 01:44 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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N0Tmushroom2THINK said: I so glad you're alright man

If, you really experienced itchy hives (raised red itchy patches) you are definitely allergic to Gymnopilus or something in them, if you eat them again it could cause life threatening anaphylaxis and I am dead serious. If, this is the 1st time you have had them and they caused this type of reaction it will be much much worse next time, seriously!!!
do not eat them again if you had hives.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish] 1
#26465344 - 02/02/20 01:47 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Welcome back to Earth, man! Good to hear you're all okay. 
What do you think - was it allergy or was it due to the effects of the mushrooms?
Can't get access to the full text but the following article may be of interest:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22572385
this is referring to the build up of calcium in cells, this wouldn't be related to the symptoms reported by OP.
edit: if he would have experienced muscle cramps, palpitations or arrhythmia then I would say this could be related, but he is describing an allergic reaction.
If OP.has had Psilocybin or Psilocin in the past without incident then it is a different component of the mushroom he is reacting too.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: N0Tmushroom2THINK] 1
#26465347 - 02/02/20 01:50 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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After a reaction like that, plus the Benadryl, likely/hopefully sleeping it off.
I quickly perused NAMyco poisoning reports and didn’t see anything related to Gymnopilus causing any deadly reactions. It looked like those Gymns were growing from and old creosote log dock piling that was cut back. I wonder if it was a reaction to the coal tar or whatever kind of creosote/pitch they used to treat the log.
That being said, if one is hesitant to go to a hospital, and the reaction does not seem life-threatening, reach out to one of your local toxic mushroom ID volunteers (shroomery does pretty well for advice as well).
https://namyco.org/mushroom_poisoning_identifiers.php
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Oops. I was a little late on seeing the last few posts. Glad all was well.
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HSapiensAmericanus said: After a reaction like that, plus the Benadryl, likely/hopefully sleeping it off.
I quickly perused NAMyco poisoning reports and didn’t see anything related to Gymnopilus causing any deadly reactions. It looked like those Gymns were growing from and old creosote log dock piling that was cut back. I wonder if it was a reaction to the coal tar or whatever kind of creosote/pitch they used to treat the log.
That being said, if one is hesitant to go to a hospital, and the reaction does not seem life-threatening, reach out to one of your local toxic mushroom ID volunteers (shroomery does pretty well for advice as well).
https://namyco.org/mushroom_poisoning_identifiers.php
it looks like they are growing from an old Pine stump to me
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HSapiensAmericanus said: After a reaction like that, plus the Benadryl, likely/hopefully sleeping it off.
I quickly perused NAMyco poisoning reports and didn’t see anything related to Gymnopilus causing any deadly reactions. It looked like those Gymns were growing from and old creosote log dock piling that was cut back. I wonder if it was a reaction to the coal tar or whatever kind of creosote/pitch they used to treat the log.
That being said, if one is hesitant to go to a hospital, and the reaction does not seem life-threatening, reach out to one of your local toxic mushroom ID volunteers (shroomery does pretty well for advice as well).
https://namyco.org/mushroom_poisoning_identifiers.php
Yeah, that's a good thought about the log. Based on the surrounding location, it looks like something that's been treated.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: breeg89] 1
#26465424 - 02/02/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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good to hear you're safe OP.
I'd be interested in knowing more about the ID; it's possible you found a similar-looking gymnopilus, psilocybe/psilocin present along with some additional compounds that didn't agree with you?
I was under the impression that mushroom fruit didnt build up toxins from the substrate due to lack of vascular system like plants. Is this off-the-mark?
I suppose the fruit could still harbor toxins after being sprayed or whatnot.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: dark-goblin] 1
#26465438 - 02/02/20 02:39 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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I'd do a kidney flush. Most mushroom toxins are purified in the liver and kidneys. Freaking wild mushrooms for ya, like a box of chocolate.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Doc9151] 1
#26465453 - 02/02/20 02:51 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: Welcome back to Earth, man! Good to hear you're all okay. 
What do you think - was it allergy or was it due to the effects of the mushrooms?
Can't get access to the full text but the following article may be of interest:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22572385
this is referring to the build up of calcium in cells, this wouldn't be related to the symptoms reported by OP.
edit: if he would have experienced muscle cramps, palpitations or arrhythmia then I would say this could be related, but he is describing an allergic reaction.
If OP.has had Psilocybin or Psilocin in the past without incident then it is a different component of the mushroom he is reacting too.
Thanks for clearing that up. I obviously made some hasty assumptions.
Other than that, I see now there are several of the inactive species of Gymnopilus that are said to cause allergic reactions.
Might this, then, be the case with some of the hallucinogenic ones too? As it stands, I can't see we've got a positive id on the ones MadMuncher found - other than that they stain greenish blue and are psychoactive.
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definitely allergic reaction. i don't think those were creosote i picked these along the river in the cascades. i did wonder when i was picking them but i am very careful to only forage in clean places. pretty pristine area but i know there used to be a dam there. kinda want to go out there right now that place calls to me for some reason maybe tomorrow.
i am pretty sure this kind is only growing on fir trees along that river, and another weird thing is i only find them in sunny spots where it seems too hot and dry for them to be there. i made tea from a bag with specimens of this species from a lot of different spots/logs up and down that river. they take over the log jams on the bends there are millions of them all along the banks
you guys all have given very solid advice here i cant thank you enough. really didnt know where else to go. i will definitely not eat these again. the last time i ate them i got a bad stomach ache and no trip from the mature caps. this experience was definitely the second warning seems like everything ive read about allergies getting worse with each exposure. no more gyms for me i guess they are so beautiful though. im still gonna pick them all haha
does anybody know what they are?
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26465513 - 02/02/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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they look like something in Gymnopilus aeruginosus-luteofolius clade.
Glad to see you know not to eat ANY Gymnopilus anymore, not even a nibble, ok!! future reactions can be swift and deadly, no joke!!! I have literally seen people near death within minutes of a reaction.
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thats about as far as i got as well i really wonder how many species are out there i see them in clearcuts and roadside and parks and forests but every ecosystem seems to have different species in it
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: MadMuncher]
#26465523 - 02/02/20 03:42 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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What about G. thiersii? Predominantly found in California but there are three observations from Oregon on MO as well.
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Re: Gymnopileus ID and allergic reaction Help Please [Re: Anglerfish]
#26465533 - 02/02/20 03:51 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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Anglerfish said: What about G. thiersii? Predominantly found in California but there are three observations from Oregon on MO as well.
West coast I think you are right!!!
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