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OfflineHotdog from Space
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Gurus and rules
    #26465140 - 02/02/20 11:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Fellow druggies, I've found a way to test if a guru is real or not. Cause as all us druggies should now, NEVER TRUST A GURU, and we know this cause the drugs has learnt us to look for that in the background - that which is not being said.

Anyways, after studying numerous gurus, how they talk, behave etc. I have found a way to break their spell. There is magic in just the word guru, if you have self confidence and some knowledge of human psychology, just put "guru" in front of your name, and your basically good to go! people will buy it! it's a old, old game, and it really works.

However, now to the point, how do you break the spell of the guru? This is what you do, you look at the rules being followed. And I am using rules here in a very broad manner: how people dress, behave, what music is being playet etc. Then break it, just break the rules. Show your penis, bring your electric guitar and play some rock 'n roll.

Now look at the reaction. Likely you will have the gurus bodyguards follow you out and scold you. And there you have it: what you just did, was break their game. You see, gurus are in need of strict rules to keep the people sheeple. You break these rules, you mess with his game, and his followers will start thinking. The guru relies on the followers getting used to the same thing happening day after day, just like work, one falls into a trance. If you have enough people just showing their penis on stage etc. Game broken, end of story.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26465157 - 02/02/20 11:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

There is no dogma for the Universe, except treat others kindly.

If it doesn't hurt someone, and it is dogmatic, it is because you disturbed their tools for dcontrol.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Huskies]
    #26465166 - 02/02/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

the fact is, we could change society radicaly just by showing the dick.

Rules are incredible powerfull, the only thing more powerfull is the breaking of rules.

And I am not saying this jokingly.
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There is no dogma for the Universe, except treat others kindly.

If it doesn't hurt someone, and it is dogmatic, it is because you disturbed their tools for dcontrol.




Then, showing your dick isnt a dogma either.

I'm radical, and I believe that if enough people catch on, we can change society.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26465168 - 02/02/20 12:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I don't want to see your dick bro, that isn't kind.

If what got you kicked out was flashing your dick, it's because people rightfully think you are a creep.

You achieve nothing except embarass yourself and make others uncomfortable.

You are talking about an act of violation.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Huskies]
    #26465185 - 02/02/20 12:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't want to see your dick bro, that isn't kind.

If what got you kicked out was flashing your dick, it's because people rightfully think you are a creep.

You achieve nothing except embarass yourself and make others uncomfortable.

You are talking about an act of violation.




1. I dont care, I'll flash if I want, it's called freedom
2. Not caring about what other people think, is also freedom
3. I can't embarass mysefl I don't care about what other think. If people feel uncomfortable, good! they can deal with it themselves, now they got something to ponder on.
4. Sure it's against the law. Of course it is, thats how people are ruled.


Showing your dick can be a powerful kind of yoga.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Huskies]
    #26465191 - 02/02/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No, it's a dick move literally.

Even if you have no ill intent, maybe someone there has been raped in the pass.

People don't like seeing men's dicks because it is men and their penises that tend to be rapists.

You sound like a methed out sexual offender.

Check yourself.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Huskies]
    #26465199 - 02/02/20 12:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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No, it's a dick move literally.

Even if you have no ill intent, maybe someone there has been raped in the pass.

People don't like seeing men's dicks because it is men and their penises that tend to be rapists.

You sound like a methed out sexual offender.

Check yourself.




Yeah, I bet it was Eve that called Adam a rapist, clothed him and gave him a apple, look at where that led us.

Look! it dont have to be the penis, anything that breaks the rules works the same, as long as it shcocks.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Huskies]
    #26465256 - 02/02/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You are so focused on the dick flashing that it makes me think you are a pervert who gets off of it though.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26465257 - 02/02/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I guess you are the guru of showing your penis?
makes sense kinda, Guru Hotdog! - penis flashlightenment!


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26465273 - 02/02/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess you are the guru of showing your penis?
makes sense kinda, Guru Hotdog! - penis flashlightenment!





Let's all imagine that.

Yeah! I totally believe that you could become a guru like this, but it will be a lot more difficult than staying to the traditional testet & true formula.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Huskies]
    #26465280 - 02/02/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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You are so focused on the dick flashing that it makes me think you are a pervert who gets off of it though.




I am just playing a language game that I know people will be attacking. I am doing the opposite of what a Guru is doing, I am playing what one considers a "bad" and "stupid" language game. Then I attack the Guru with it.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26466239 - 02/03/20 04:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

what language is "testet"?


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26466531 - 02/03/20 09:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just be your own guru, then you won't need a magical guru.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Rahz] * 1
    #26466697 - 02/03/20 11:47 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

fuck testing

dont have an edge on others

let it be

help and

assist

others

you are your own chief

gardener

you need peace and

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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Ferdinando]
    #26466820 - 02/03/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

^ listen to the dove ya dingus


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26466823 - 02/03/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:tmckenna:

"No guru, no method, no teacher"


Edited by The Mycologist (02/03/20 01:32 PM)


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26467502 - 02/03/20 08:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Listen to what they're saying and look it up for yourself, guru is a shit word for often shit people, lime mega church pastors but let cash.

Trip sitters are the real deal, some mate to talk you through and ground you through a strong experience.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26467833 - 02/04/20 02:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

"Be yourself and do your best, the universe will do the rest."


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26468557 - 02/04/20 01:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Fellow druggies, I've found a way to test if a guru is real or not. Cause as all us druggies should now, NEVER TRUST A GURU, and we know this cause the drugs has learnt us to look for that in the background - that which is not being said.

Anyways, after studying numerous gurus, how they talk, behave etc. I have found a way to break their spell. There is magic in just the word guru, if you have self confidence and some knowledge of human psychology, just put "guru" in front of your name, and your basically good to go! people will buy it! it's a old, old game, and it really works.

However, now to the point, how do you break the spell of the guru? This is what you do, you look at the rules being followed. And I am using rules here in a very broad manner: how people dress, behave, what music is being playet etc. Then break it, just break the rules. Show your penis, bring your electric guitar and play some rock 'n roll.

Now look at the reaction. Likely you will have the gurus bodyguards follow you out and scold you. And there you have it: what you just did, was break their game. You see, gurus are in need of strict rules to keep the people sheeple. You break these rules, you mess with his game, and his followers will start thinking. The guru relies on the followers getting used to the same thing happening day after day, just like work, one falls into a trance. If you have enough people just showing their penis on stage etc. Game broken, end of story.





There is no such thing as a Guru. Just a person with a unique perspective, experience, and views....
The majority of people aren't leaders and look for vicarious means to live out aspects of their life they aren't willing/able to manifest. This is the method by which a specific individual gets elevated beyond their natural status.
This is how some people chose to live/believe. It is their own prerogative. I have my own life to live and don't get too involved in the coming/going of others beyond understanding the dynamics and forces at play for universal perspective. Someone wants to be an false idol worshiper? Believe in a Guru? Live vicariously through someone? Praise some glorified shitbrain business person? Buy something and claim it is something more than just a product? Believe in bullshit? .. That's their prerogative and predisposition. You'll never be the 'world's' guru or one of these types 'false idol' if you believe in a more individual/leader path and are anchored in deeper understanding of the world. They choose to believe in a false framing... The only way you capture them is if you parrot to their false beliefs.. In that you lose out on something very powerful/personal that isn't worth it. You gain a world of idiots only to loose out on something far more transcendent. The world is a stage/test and many don't pass either on the high and/or low end. Don't envy that which 'appears' to garner acclaim, it most often is the lowest result of a lifetime... thus the 'trick/trap' if you're not careful


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26469103 - 02/04/20 07:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The majority of people aren't leaders and look for vicarious means to live out aspects of their life they aren't willing/able to manifest




Yes, this is true, and it's good thinking. People see what they themself lack in others. Other people show us what we our self lack, be it authority, money or whatever else.

The guru is authority, and this is why the role of guru and the sociopath often are the exact same. The guru attract those who lack the trait of authority, and in bowing to the guru, I think the follower is able to feel a sense of relief, the guru becomes the father figure they want.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26469168 - 02/04/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Hotdog from Space said:
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The majority of people aren't leaders and look for vicarious means to live out aspects of their life they aren't willing/able to manifest




Yes, this is true, and it's good thinking. People see what they themself lack in others. Other people show us what we our self lack, be it authority, money or whatever else.

The guru is authority, and this is why the role of guru and the sociopath often are the exact same. The guru attract those who lack the trait of authority, and in bowing to the guru, I think the follower is able to feel a sense of relief, the guru becomes the father figure they want.




Exactly.. A mind-state a transcendent self-lead person realizes they can dwell in but quickly moves beyond to obtain higher enlightenment. I could cater to a sociopath/charismatic self declared guru lifestyle but that would only shorten my enlightenment for worldly gain....

Why this phenomenon is a constant throughout history is clear as are the dynamics and participants.
It's something that, as I become more aware recognized and moved beyond caring much about because, as you state, its a good thing for those captured by it. It benefits them and bears fruit. Those who wander in the wilderness are a smaller percentage and this will always be the case... It's a path removed from the world thus it is a given that it wont be glorified/recognized. I had to learn to not to be attached/emotional about the realities of the world. They are what they are and are that way for a reason. Gurus exist for a reason. Their adherents exist for a reason.

It's just not my cup or tea and if there's anyone out there in search of what's beyond that, I just declare it's definitely there for the taking... but it is the lessor traveled path and requires lots of hard work, retracing the steps of former 'gurus' and finding that next step beyond theirs. Not something most would sensible sign up for, but if you hear the calling.. Don't hesitate. It's a beautiful place to eventually grasp.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26469483 - 02/04/20 11:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I can see how even a highly immoral and abuse guru could in the ultimate sense be seen as beneficial to the abuser.

After all, it is the abused that gives up his/her authority. And one could say, that for some, the abuse might be exactly what they need, maybe they won't get it any other way?

This game has been happening since the beginning of time, the pattern of master/slave is seen not only in spiritual circles, it is seen everywhere if you eyes are open for it, including everyday life, in every conversation between humans, the game of power is visible to some degree.

To become enlightened, if you are under the sway of such a guru, means to reckonize that you are your own authority, and reckonize that you have been a total fool. You have essentialy been looking for a idealized parent, and what you got was the exact opposite.

And in a way, it makes "methapysical" sense that it would work in this way. Cause if the abused really got him/herself a idealized parent, there would be no spiritual growth. Growth can only occur if the abused realizes she/he is being abused, and go deep into that dark and cruel rabbit hole, it's a dangerous path for sure.

A much better path of realizing ones own authority is the Zen. They will play this exact game on you, but within a moral framework, if one is lucky enough to meet a master that actually has morals. Of course, these spiritual positions as guru and master attracts sociopaths like any other position that involves power over other people.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26469491 - 02/05/20 12:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Very interesting.
I never thought about this power dynamic.
Thank you for this detail. Allows me to think on this concept more.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26469535 - 02/05/20 12:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's very few that really gets it.

And once you start getting it and begin doing your own research, it can take you down some dark, very well hidden rabbit holes.

But it should be a piece of cake compared to a heroic dose of magic mushroom. I actually think it was magic mushroom that opened me up to exploring the dark depths of the human psyche, and how incredible manipulative and dark the human psyche really can be.

Those who know it, hide it. Those who don't know it, more than often willingly stays ignorant of it (ignorance is bliss), cause you really need to use your intelligence to understand the mechanisms.

The whole neo-advaita movement for example (etc. Mooji) its nothing but a highly intelligent mind control ploy.

But now with the internet, secrets can no longer be kept. And I bet there are many more like me that uses the internet for their own "sociological" research.


Edited by Hotdog from Space (02/05/20 12:51 AM)


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26469690 - 02/05/20 05:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Have you recently or one of your loved ones recently left a cult or something?

Do you see any parallel threads in how Trump has dominated the republican party and subjugated America?


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26469747 - 02/05/20 06:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

No,

And parallels are everywhere. I dont bother with the US political mess, it's to retarded for my taste.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26470401 - 02/05/20 02:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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No,

And parallels are everywhere. I dont bother with the US political mess, it's to retarded for my taste.



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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26470407 - 02/05/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
Have you recently or one of your loved ones recently left a cult or something?

Do you see any parallel threads in how Trump has dominated the republican party and subjugated America?




It's never the case that one person did 'X' and take power over swaths of people 'Y'.
It's moreso that swaths of idiots/fools/followers/disenfranchised/etc reliquished their power and support and put it in the hands of 'X' so that they (Y) could live vicariously through them or see their agendas/goals realized through them.

I personally have never voted because I don't perceive most politicians to be intelligent/honest/or seemingly able to get anything of value done that I support without undoing it with some other boneheaded practice. Others.. they'll vote for someone just because they like his/her style. Not sure what the parallel would be here. There are no Gurus but there are tons of tools who believe there are... thus the concept is born and embodied even if it doesn't exist.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx] * 1
    #26471099 - 02/05/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Chomsky has done some good work on the political system and education.

Here is a quote from the philosopher Pierce:

"Let the will of the state act, then, instead of that of the individual. Let an institution be created which shall have for its object to keep correct doctrines before the attention of the people, to reiterate them perpetually, and to teach them to the young; having at the same time power to prevent contrary doctrines from being taught, advocated, or expressed. Let all possible causes of a change of mind be removed from men's apprehensions. Let them be kept ignorant, lest they should learn of some reason to think otherwise than they do. Let their passions be enlisted, so that they may regard private and unusual opinions with hatred and horror. Then, let all men who reject the established belief be terrified into silence. Let the people turn out and tar-and-feather such men, or let inquisitions be made into the manner of thinking of suspected persons, and when they are found guilty of forbidden beliefs, let them be subjected to some signal punishment. When complete agreement could not otherwise be reached, a general massacre of all who have not thought in a certain way has proved a very effective means of settling opinion in a country. If the power to do this be wanting, let a list of opinions be drawn up, to which no man of the least independence of thought can assent, and let the faithful be required to accept all these propositions, in order to segregate them as radically as possible from the influence of the rest of the world."

and from William Harris:
"Quotes. Ninety-nine [students] out of a hundred are automata, careful to walk in prescribed paths, careful to follow the prescribed custom. This is not an accident but the result of substantial education, which, scientifically defined, is the subsumption of the individual."

As I said, parallels are everywhere, since these controls mechanisms is embedded in the human and the cosmos.


When I say "embedded in the cosmos" i really mean it, cause I have seen these structures in the depths of the universe while on high doses of mushrooms. For example there are many reporting seeing some kind of matrix structure when smoking DMT. One could even replace the word cosmos with subconcious, it don't matter, they are just words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehTO9l1Hp8


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Hotdog from Space]
    #26471128 - 02/05/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Hotdog from Space said:
Chomsky has done some good work on the political system and education.

Here is a quote from the philosopher Pierce:

"Let the will of the state act, then, instead of that of the individual. Let an institution be created which shall have for its object to keep correct doctrines before the attention of the people, to reiterate them perpetually, and to teach them to the young; having at the same time power to prevent contrary doctrines from being taught, advocated, or expressed. Let all possible causes of a change of mind be removed from men's apprehensions. Let them be kept ignorant, lest they should learn of some reason to think otherwise than they do. Let their passions be enlisted, so that they may regard private and unusual opinions with hatred and horror. Then, let all men who reject the established belief be terrified into silence. Let the people turn out and tar-and-feather such men, or let inquisitions be made into the manner of thinking of suspected persons, and when they are found guilty of forbidden beliefs, let them be subjected to some signal punishment. When complete agreement could not otherwise be reached, a general massacre of all who have not thought in a certain way has proved a very effective means of settling opinion in a country. If the power to do this be wanting, let a list of opinions be drawn up, to which no man of the least independence of thought can assent, and let the faithful be required to accept all these propositions, in order to segregate them as radically as possible from the influence of the rest of the world."

and from William Harris:
"Quotes. Ninety-nine [students] out of a hundred are automata, careful to walk in prescribed paths, careful to follow the prescribed custom. This is not an accident but the result of substantial education, which, scientifically defined, is the subsumption of the individual."

As I said, parallels are everywhere, since these controls mechanisms is embedded in the human and the cosmos.


When I say "embedded in the cosmos" i really mean it, cause I have seen these structures in the depths of the universe while on high doses of mushrooms. For example there are many reporting seeing some kind of matrix structure when smoking DMT. One could even replace the word cosmos with subconcious, it don't matter, they are just words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OehTO9l1Hp8




Profound .. i like the way you think.

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One could even replace the word cosmos with subconcious, it don't matter, they are just words.




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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26471832 - 02/06/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I think the guru world is the opposite of "a few bad apples". It's a majority of bad apples.

I think that for "seekers" there's a tendency to add one's fantasies to the words. One guru I won't mention used the mantra "be your own guru". He also suggested one should take what resonates and discard the rest. And yet he was worshiped and also hated. It's not the guru's fault they are idolized, yet many of them, even some who start with good intentions, take advantage of that human tendency and are corrupted. Very human.


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    #26471969 - 02/06/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I think the guru world is the opposite of "a few bad apples". It's a majority of bad apples.




Because, in the market place of this phenomenon established by supply/demand dynamics... The Demand ('Guru' follower) often has serious shortcomings that lead to the demand side being what it is. A couple occasional views of a youtube video should be enough to get 'meat' if that's what someone is after. There's no reason or premise for idol worship and other such guru idiocy. Yet, the demand side is what it is and it leads to the 'manifestation' of the Guru concept. This is all demand side. The bad apples are the demand side. The Supply (Supposed Guru) is just catering to the marketplace.

Take the clown known as Elon Musk for instance and his cargo cult. He could be just as easily as much a nobody as any
subpar CEO who doesn't know how to make a profitable company. Hell, Founders/CEOs 1000x more wealthy/profitable who have impacted the world 1000x more are far less known/cared for. Yet, Musk's bandwagon of followers make him a 'Guru'? Why? because of their clearly observable short comings and what he gives them 'access to'. Demand meats supply

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I think that for "seekers" there's a tendency to add one's fantasies to the words.




Beyond very brief consumption, being married to a Guru highlights something far deeper on the seeker's part.

In summary, the dynamics are set by the demand side. They want something they can't create on their own and to what extent they follow/become married to a guru is a direct measure of that lacking.

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One guru I won't mention used the mantra "be your own guru".




There are no Gurus. The mantra 'be your own guru'.. aka : be your own leader is all a person should need to hear.
The person because you're maybe to shy to mention them is : Alan Watts. I came across his material some time back. He's a cool dude who dabbled in psychedelics with some interesting views. He verbalizes them very well. It gives a person ideas. He gave me some pretty good ideas and then I moved on. I don't consider him a Guru even though he left a good impression on me. Another person? Ah', they may consider him a God. A person's belief doesn't make it so however. So, Gurus don't exist. It is an idea/projection of a person who often has short comings and is unable to grasp how to close the gap.

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He also suggested one should take what resonates and discard the rest. And yet he was worshiped and also hated. It's not the guru's fault they are idolized, yet many of them, even some who start with good intentions, take advantage of that human tendency and are corrupted. Very human.




Gurus don't exist. It's a demand (follower) side projection that is set upon by the gap that exists (shortcoming) between a follower and the person they're following. If a person keeps banging down my door wanting to praise me and give me things, I'm going to tell them to pull themselves together but eventually I'm going to entertain and enjoy what they have to offer. It doesn't make me corrupt and I'm not doing anything wrong especially when it is uttered : Get your shit together... be your own leader.. I am not your leader, you are... and the person still does as they do. I have to eventually respect that's who they are and who they want to be and take what they have to offer me and move to on with my life. For, I don't follow the drumbeat of another.


Ignorance especially self-willed ignorance garners a hefty price in this universe. There has to be a force/mechanism to exact the toll. This is not corrupt or evil. It simply 'is'.


Also, speaking of what simply 'is'. Socal is a very toxic spiritual environment. It's filled with wall to wall exploitation and manipulation. This is why the Guru/spiritual cult bullshit is so established there. People go on savaging each other in their 9-5 and seek penance/escape so they can jump right back on the horse the next day. The 'Guru' community provides this. These same people could get the fuck out of dodge and be more immersed in the spiritual essence they claim is the purpose of life (on weekends) but clearly choose otherwise. So, the Guru provides them with the mentalscape and they ofc charge a hefty price... Absolutely nothing awry on either side.

Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
If life were easy/the point of life.. This saga/drama we've been on for billions of years would have already been over in the blink of an eye. Ultimately, worshiping a 'guru' could be one person's life purpose... Fuck do I know on this twisted ride?


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    #26472035 - 02/06/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

what friggin gurus are you all talking about? I've never met anyone who calls themselves a guru in my life. Am I in the minority here? Is this something you folks run into a lot?


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26472038 - 02/06/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I tend to think a person is a guru because people consider them gurus. That doesn't mean they are good at it, meaning whether they stand the test of time and remain un corrupted, and a good guru doesn't generally get good results for the reasons you mentioned. It's not up to them, whether another person drinks the water.

It could be argued that accepting more than one needs when preaching that one needs little sends the wrong message and does lead to corruption. One could also take the position that it's gracious to accept gifts, but knowing they're being given for reasons that don't befit their goals casts doubt on this practice.

The one I mentioned isn't Alan Watts. This person started out very optimistic and had a lot of insightful things to say. He got rich and gluttonous and didn't practice what he preached. Additionally his teachings weren't having the effect he wanted and he became frustrated. As a result he tried to change his discourse and it suffered. He lost it all and may be dead now for all I know.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Kickle]
    #26472060 - 02/06/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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what friggin gurus are you all talking about? I've never met anyone who calls themselves a guru in my life. Am I in the minority here? Is this something you folks run into a lot?




Sub "spiritual teacher"


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Kickle]
    #26472061 - 02/06/20 01:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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what friggin gurus are you all talking about? I've never met anyone who calls themselves a guru in my life. Am I in the minority here? Is this something you folks run into a lot?



It's more clearly implied than stated.
Also, Socal...
It's the haven of psychopaths and manipulators


A quick run through :
> https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/cults-los-angeles/
Scientology and most nutbag cults/gurus come from here.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/04/t-magazine/the-stunning-sacred-retreats-of-california.html
> https://www.visitcalifornia.com/feature/california-detox-retreats

Anything from detox, drug retreats, spiritual gurus, etc are rife in socal/calif.
I'm up in Norcal. It is not as substantial as socal but its present. I also spent some time in Socal and its actually everywhere and common....

Anything you can imagine likely has some form of HQ in socal :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosophical_Society_Pasadena

It's the nature of the psychosphere.
I simply don't attribute such characteristics to anyone ... even Jesus/Buddha.
If there's something of value to be gained from someone, i take it in and leave it at that. I don't care for the messenger... I only care about the message.


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    #26472077 - 02/06/20 01:29 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I tend to think a person is a guru because people consider them gurus. That doesn't mean they are good at it, meaning whether they stand the test of time and remain un corrupted, and a good guru doesn't generally get good results for the reasons you mentioned. It's not up to them, whether another person drinks the water.




Well yeah, so 'Guru' is an abstraction in the mind of a follower and I tend to find it uttered/framed as a result and to a degree of what is lacking in a follower... Such that, I disregard it as a valid notion/term present objectively. It is subjective and it garners significance in direct relation to how much a person is lacking. Not the foundation I like to base terminology on...

i.e : A person (F) with no formal education or knowledge of X thinks a charismatic person centered on 'X'denoted by B who has skill level relative to others in the discipline of (10 out of 100) is a 'guru'. By comparison, person F has skill level 1 out of 100. Meanwhile people at skill level 90/100 declare there are no gurus. 

Gurus simply don't exist beyond a term used to denote someone with a wide enough skill gap to lack quality perception or judgement.

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It could be argued that accepting more than one needs when preaching that one needs little sends the wrong message and does lead to corruption. One could also take the position that it's gracious to accept gifts, but knowing they're being given for reasons that don't befit their goals casts doubt on this practice.




I see your practical point and agree as it applies to someone who intentionally sets upon such a dynamic.
I guess in your earlier statement, you are also correct in established that an actually 'good guru' doesn't become notable enough or end up in this situation because they don't lie/manipulate to a point that their followers get off into such wayward praises.

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The one I mentioned isn't Alan Watts. This person started out very optimistic and had a lot of insightful things to say. He got rich and gluttonous and didn't practice what he preached. Additionally his teachings weren't having the effect he wanted and he became frustrated. As a result he tried to change his discourse and it suffered. He lost it all and may be dead now for all I know.



My mistake then as I posted a video from Alan watts entitled 'be your own guru' in this thread.
And yeah, a leader has to sometimes be careful riding their wave of followers. The gifts and acclaim can seem great but if one not is careful it can eventually serve as their undoing... even mentally. The mob that puts you on high can also be so powerful that they bring you to the deepest lows against all strength you can muster to fight it.


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    #26472124 - 02/06/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Sub "spiritual teacher"




Closest thing I can think for this is a priest and I don't come across them very often. The rest are just people doing people things IME. I have met a few wise one's along the way though.

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It's more clearly implied than stated.
Also, Socal...




The Socal part makes sense to me but that's just based on stereotypes. I've been to the LA/Hollywood area only once and it was 20+ years ago. So I don't really know what it's like. I did have a really nice girl come visit from SoCal when I was still in highschool. We were talking online and she wanted to visit me in person. She came into my work and we made out for a bit then she was on her way. I thought she was pretty bold but I wasn't complaining. She was really into the environment and went on to direct environmental impact work for a few different companies. I lost track of her somewhere along the line.

Anyways. She didn't say she was a guru :thumbup:

If there are really that many people posturing wisdom then there must be some sort of reward for doing so? What's in it for people down there?


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    #26472136 - 02/06/20 02:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Closest thing I can think for this is a priest and I don't come across them very often. The rest are just people doing people things IME. I have met a few wise one's along the way though.




Immediate names that come to mind are Eckhart Tolle and Adyashanti. Look them up and "spiritual teacher" will be in the first sentence of description. It's prevalent in Indian culture, but not well known here. Sometimes there will be reports of scandals. Someone was caught having sex or eating something delicious. In that same way they're considered spiritual teachers, priests are priests due to consensus. And they do priestly things to support themselves, just like spiritual teachers spout wise sayings to support themselves. Non denominational so they don't have an organization to give weight to the title. Although, in the East there are boards that will judge a person's enlightenment without regard for denomination.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Rahz]
    #26472151 - 02/06/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I've heard their names. Reminds me of hearing Brad Pitt though. Sure some people will worship the dude but I'm not about to whip my dick out in protest. That might be what some of Brad's followers do when they see him tho :crazy2:

Do Tolle and Adyashanti have rules that people follow?


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    #26472183 - 02/06/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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She came into my work and we made out for a bit then she was on her way. I thought she was pretty bold but I wasn't complaining. She was really into the environment and went on to direct environmental impact work for a few different companies. I lost track of her somewhere along the line.




Should have told her you were a Guru...
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Anyways. She didn't say she was a guru :thumbup:




She was waiting for you to say that champ...
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If there are really that many people posturing wisdom then there must be some sort of reward for doing so?




Money.. lots of it :


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What's in it for people down there?



The followers? It gives them wings and energy for what they want to pursue in life.
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    #26472190 - 02/06/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well if there's a market for it, that means they are giving people what they are after. I'm not about to shit on entrepreneurs. But I think that's an isolated market. You don't see that around here.

These are the Gurus around here



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    #26472217 - 02/06/20 02:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Well if there's a market for it, that means they are giving people what they are after. I'm not about to shit on entrepreneurs. But I think that's an isolated market. You don't see that around here.

This is the Gurus around here






Nor am I thus why I describe it as a commercial market driven by supply/demand. In this particular case, its the demand side driving the dynamics. 'Isolated market'... It's present/prominent in any economically strenuous hell hole where people need occasional escapes, 'confessions', reorientation so they can get back on their brutal landscape on Monday (At least in the west). In other more balanced places, people find and strike a more personal balance with their environment and condition as it is more readily available. When you're making $250k+ a year fucking over the world 11-12 hours a day, yeah, you're going to need a little 'pick me up' or Guru whispering mantras in your ear to be able to sleep at night .. thus the environment led demand side. Same could be said of a more economically depressed environment and thus a heightened presence of religion/guruism. People looking for that escape from their environmental condition... Supply side meeting the naturally carved demand.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26472243 - 02/06/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I can't find a free version of the documentary "The Grammar of Happiness"
but what's your take on what this guy says about his missionary travels to the Piraha tribe from the 8 minute mark to the 9 minute mark in the video


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    #26472329 - 02/06/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I can't find a free version of the documentary "The Grammar of Happiness"
but what's your take on what this guy says about his missionary travels to the Piraha tribe from the 8 minute mark to the 9 minute mark in the video





The west and 'western' empires have all been largely premised on a sense of superiority.
Imperial/Colonial/conquering....
Declaring everything that they don't understand/that doesn't fit their narrative that goes against their superiority stories and narratives as savage/primitive.

That being said, there is nothing for anyone to feel inferior/superior about especially throughout history and civilization. Just about everyone has had an empire that accomplished great things. Thus, as the person did in the video, they learned something once they came to respect someone's path. Even converted from there's hilariously enough.

Happiness is what you make it. It is set upon by striking a balance within oneself and within their environment.
It is possible to highlight the brutal details of this on a case by case basis without necessarily saying 'happiness is not arrived at here'. This would, more often than not, be a false statement.

Some people for instance achieve happiness under the guidance of a Guru/religion/etc. My point wasn't to suggest this is not the case. I have no basis for even stating that. My point was instead to highlight the brutal dynamics at play here. True enough, a tribe out in the wilderness immersed in their humanity and experience could quite clearly have more access to happiness than someone being grounded down in a modern society. It is indeed why such people go to such extremes to find their humanity/spirituality under the direction of a Guru.. It's because their environment and modern society has deprived them of it. So, the Guru that grants them this passage is invaluable. Whereas, in a less crucible/costly city.. A city closer to nature and humanity.. Ah', you wont find any Gurus because people get it. It's tangible and in front of their face. There are no modern barriers. They can reach out and grab it. A guru would be laughable in such a context... Even still, there will be a desire to gain access beyond one's station.. The human mind like to wonder about the unknown ... Things that give them access are held as valuable.

Two gurus meet in a room. Are they still Gurus or are they equals?
But yeah, desert religions : Judiasm->Christianity->islam
Are very tribal and imperial. They are very spirituality immature....

Which is why most gurus/spiritual guys center on far more evolved eastern religions.
I myself matured/migrated past Christianity. I went through a phase of athiesm which was necessary to break the chains... I later cooled down and was able to look at it without much attachment. Around that time I found eastern religions/theology and practices therein frequently expressed by 'spiritual gurus'... I basked in them for a while but even eventually transcended them into more broad and open spirituality. I no longer needed a deep placeholder belief to drive me. I am fine with being a spec of dust and experiencing the great cosmos. I have wild cosmic beliefs/theories but I am ok just keeping them as such.

Thanks for the clip. It was pretty good and highlights the ignorance/arrogance of organized religion when actually faced with the realities of life.


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    #26472355 - 02/06/20 04:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

. Whereas, in a less crucible/costly city.. A city closer to nature and humanity.. Ah', you wont find any Gurus because people get it. It's tangible and in front of their face. There are no modern barriers. They can reach out and grab it.

^This
That's where I live. I guess intellectually I know this is a great place but I think I'm sort of like that tribe. Maybe I don't realize just how much I am taking for granted. I just live in it.


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    #26472407 - 02/06/20 05:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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. Whereas, in a less crucible/costly city.. A city closer to nature and humanity.. Ah', you wont find any Gurus because people get it. It's tangible and in front of their face. There are no modern barriers. They can reach out and grab it.

^This
That's where I live. I guess intellectually I know this is a great place but I think I'm sort of like that tribe. Maybe I don't realize just how much I am taking for granted. I just live in it.




Well indeed and I speak not from some enlightened path. Just more of experience and introspection. I actually lived in California for some time and am not native there. Where i'm from, there are no 'Gurus' either as it is a more balanced environment and not too expensive and thus people aren't driven that deeply by money or a struggle to get it such that they compromise themselves and have to be reoriented. After spending some time in California, the retreat/spiritual guidance/guru thing seemed to all make sense.. thus the strong language I used to frame it. The economic and social environment in California are enough to drive a person mad so I definitely can't knock someone consulting a Guru to gain guidance/perspective in that environment. I just wanted to highlight why it exists and the dynamics at play that cause it to be a phenomenon in some places and non-existent in others.

Trust me, when I got to Cali and saw the 'Tibetan prayer flags' everywhere and the zen/eastern mantra, I have to admit, I was asking myself what in the natural fuck were people smoking out there... As its anything but what the environment is like... Then you take note of the savage industry that runs California and then the retreats/spiritual camps/etc all start to make sense : It's the way people strike a balance with this extreme environment they have to survive/thrive in. If not, the environmental conditions are strong enough that they'll break a person for sure.

So, ah'... it's ultimately all about balance relative to one's environment.
I got it by doing more outdoors stuff and partying and socializing.
Others : hardcore guru + spiritual retreats.

Church/church/organized religion really isn't a big thing in Cali. So, you get more of that 'eastern' theology/spiritual scatter and in that comes enterprising Gurus as a gateway to the east.

And yea, like the people from that TED talk, if its readily available to you.. you just live in it and the environment, as its balanced, balances you. I wouldn't say you are taking this for granted as going to a crucible unbalanced city really isn't offering much beyond making it harder.. In a crucible city though, you gain perspective and confidence after dealing with such unbalance. You will indeed appreciate a more balanced environment and likely seek one after 5-10 years if you don't get caught up in the rat race.

So, ah :

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    #26472423 - 02/06/20 05:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah I've heard their names. Reminds me of hearing Brad Pitt though. Sure some people will worship the dude but I'm not about to whip my dick out in protest. That might be what some of Brad's followers do when they see him tho :crazy2:

Do Tolle and Adyashanti have rules that people follow?




Tolle does satang where he sits and talks and answers question, but mostly known for his books. No rules I suppose except to maintain some level of decorum. Everyone waits their turn to ask questions and he speaks softly... library atmosphere.

Adyashanti is similar, less known for his books and more for the retreats. I think it attracts a certain type of crowd, seekers but not necessarily worshipers. It's not for everybody but I think it's helpful for some.

These types of gurus focus on liberation, the end of seeking. They would consider it a success when someone stops giving them money.


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    #26472444 - 02/06/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

lol the library atmosphere part cracked me up :thumbup:
they sound alright to me but it might be interesting to see their reaction if someone did pull a whacky stunt


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    #26474134 - 02/07/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Tolle and Adyashanti are pleasant types.
There are also various frauds.
The strangest was the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi whom the Beatles followed briefly. He started out  seemingly normal, but later started to sell "yogic flying". And in the end the mantras were found to be dispensed by a simple algorithm, based on a person's age. (the info is on the web.)
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    #26474523 - 02/07/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well a few gurus every couple decades, even if scam artists, seems pretty low on the priority totem for things to rebel against IMO

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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: laughingdog]
    #26475050 - 02/08/20 07:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I prefer the concept of teacher than guru, it is much the same, but more ad hoc, in that, any thing or situation can offer learning/teaching.

no thing or situation (or person) is ultimate perfection.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26475089 - 02/08/20 08:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Good thing you said that because I was thinking you might make out for a guru at times, but I seem to have been somewhat mistaken.

While I agree with the first part, I'd like to know an imperfection behind the idea or concept of the Sun from a historical or modern or future perspective.

In the future I think the Sun just is, until it takes the form of a different kind of Sun.

I think that historically the Sun was considered as a god, especially in Aztec and Egyptian cultures.

And in modern times the Sun is the source of almost all plant life and there too; animal life.

P.s. There is also geothermal energy, consisting of mantle activity  and tectonic movement etc.


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: laughingdog]
    #26475116 - 02/08/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

laughingdog said:
it wasn't cheap either

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=yogic+flying&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images

but don't despair you can still buy in:

https://advanced.tm.org/vedic-experts.html




better use of money than gambling IMO which also promises to take you to new heights


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Re: Gurus and rules [Re: Kickle]
    #26475406 - 02/08/20 12:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Kickle said:
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laughingdog said:
it wasn't cheap either

[url=https://duckduckgo.com/?q=yogic+flying&t=h_&iax=images&ia=images]https://duckduckgo.com/?

better use of money than gambling IMO which also promises to take you to new heights




Hard to choose between two follies IMO , gambling often goes with drinking which is hard on the liver & brain, and believing in nonsense, also rots the brain, but both empty the pocket book.


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