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Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc?
    #26464160 - 02/01/20 06:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I would like to avoid open flame. But these are pricey so Id like input on whether theyre good for growing mushrooms before seriously considering buying one.

A bacti-cinerator, so it would be a smaller carbon foot print jamming a boot into beautiful, innocent fungi.



Some downsides: most models have literature for have a phrase saying not intended to be used with sharp objects like scalpel or blade, which can cause damage and void the warranty; I'm skeptical about a bacti-cinerator or bactizapper being able to sterilize a needle of say a spore syringe properly since it could melt the plastic since the heat is not as isolated as a flame and the bacti-cinerators appear to be intended to have lab equipment inserted ahem balls deep into them (apologies for not having a more delicate way to express that), which probably won't happen without risk of compromising the plastic section of the syringe.

Will update if anything news comes up.


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: mushbush22]
    #26464179 - 02/01/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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I would like to avoid open flame. But these are pricey so Id like input on whether theyre good for growing mushrooms bef



I think I know what you're talking about, but a pic would be great.

If it's one of those infrared laboratory sterilizer thingy then yes


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: Tormato]
    #26464198 - 02/01/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Meh expensive and slower. Probably better to learn how to be the adult supervisor and play with fire.


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26464202 - 02/01/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah $300?....get a torch


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: Tormato]
    #26464207 - 02/01/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Besides the torch also heats the dab rig up


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26464213 - 02/01/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Besides the torch also heats the dab rig up



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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: Tormato]
    #26464514 - 02/02/20 12:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I have that exact model (Called an electronic transfer tool sterilizer) and love it. Drop the scalpels right in it and they're glowing in ~4 seconds. I used 2 at a time and alternate so they don't heat up too much when doing transfers. Inoculation loops are even faster.

The one thing they don't do well is needles. You can't lay them in the hole, and the seem to take forever to glow hot. I asked what people are using/doing for needles, but didn't get an answer.

I'm thinking about something like this:

https://www.smlglobal.com/blazer-gas-burner

They have cheaper always on versions like this:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000NCZTZG/

I think this is a much safer version than most of the tall bottles I see with a flame on top. Knock that over and it goes rolling across the floor, the flame won't go out. . .

Then there's chinese knockoffs on ebay. This might be a good alternative for you. I like that the top torch version because the flame is only on when you're using it.


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: cryptowizard]
    #26464516 - 02/02/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Blazer touch activated burner:


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: cryptowizard]
    #26465722 - 02/02/20 06:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the helpful response. Most of these bacti-cinerators are not made for sharp objects like blades or scalpels according to their Manuals. Distributors may not know this. Here's an example from the bactizapper Operation Manual:



If your ceramic component doesn't have problems, it's probably no big whoop, but expect the mfr or distributor to quote that to you if your blade nicks it and causes an early crack, I suppose.

Doesn't laying your blade on the ceramic make the metal area where you hold it too hot or melt your sterile gloves? It seems like the mfr is expecting you to hold it in the middle of the ceramic cylinder as it heats instead of resting anything directly on it, so I'm wondering how that isn't a problem for you?


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: mushbush22]
    #26465792 - 02/02/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)




Torch...


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Re: Sterilizer ceramic ring instead of flame for blade etc? [Re: mushbush22]
    #26466025 - 02/02/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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expect the mfr or distributor to quote that to you if your blade nicks it and causes an early crack, I suppose.

Doesn't laying your blade on the ceramic make the metal area where you hold it too hot or melt your sterile gloves? It seems like the mfr is expecting you to hold it in the middle of the ceramic cylinder as it heats instead of resting anything directly on it, so I'm wondering how that isn't a problem for you?




It probably will shorten the life a bit as it's cutting into the hot ceramic a bit sometimes. No big deal, people use them this way all the time. Plus mine is over 15 years old so it's not in warranty anyway.

Does the metal get to hot? Sometimes, but it's too hot to hold long before it melts the glove. :smile: If so, I lay it on the alcohol soaked paper towel and pick up the spare.

Some people put in a container of alcohol - which is dangerous with an open flame. It's probably fine, but why chance it?

Sticking the scalpel only about 1/3 of the way in the transfer tool sterilizer doesn't heat up the handle much, but takes a couple seconds longer to get the blade red hot. Get your timing right and it's not a problem.

I have the Staments favorite scalpel and it's coated in a plastic/rubber material. Some people wrap theirs or plastidip them to help with the heat problem.

I have 4 scalpels and PC 2 at a time in a sterilizer pouch, use them one session, alternating to let them cool, then PC them again. That way I'm always starting out with a completely clean tool - not just the blade portion.


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