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Spiralspider
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I feel like an old men
#26418748 - 01/06/20 05:10 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey
Im still 29 and the last few years i feel like an old man does. Not having will to live, being tired all the time, doing things just because living is a waste of time, taking breaks of rest to rest, and no will to havr hobbies or to work, preferring just to have a walk or something, are some of the symptoms i have.
Its so weird,i sleep at 20h00 and i wake up at 10am, fuck man this is driving me crazy because i have the will to do something but i just preferr not to.
Im really scared my ultimate decision is to kill myself.
What can i do? Thanks
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living_failure
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I am more or less in the same boat.
Therapy helps.
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Anonymous #1
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What is it you do while you're awake then?
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Spiralspider
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Well while im awake i watch tv and hope im asleep again. Im always hoping for bedtime
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Spiralspider said:
What can i do? Thanks
In therapy, there's a popular technique known as the "miracle question". There are a lot of different variations, but essentially the question is:
If you woke up tomorrow, and a miracle had happened overnight that removed anything that was blocking you from living your ideal life, what would your life look like then? What would you do throughout your day, how would you be feeling, what would your goals be, what would you do for fun? etc, and write it all down, in as much detail as possible.
Once you have a clearer picture of what you want, it can be easier to begin taking steps to get there. It's a long process and is not necessarily easy or fun, but hey, it's the most important thing in your life
A lot of people start out pretending "as if" they're fine... so realizing there's a problem and saying "I'm gonna start working out, eating healthy, not drinking etc". That can give you some short term symptom relief, but doesn't address the underlying issues that are making you feel how you do. Conversely though, these healthy changes can provide you with a clearer mind to work on the deeper issues with more focus and energy.
For myself, psychedelic-type drugs have been wonderful guides to point out exactly what's holding me back. Not just classical psychedelics, but even cannabis and more recently MDMA, all when used extremely sparingly with many months spent on integration. Meditation has been huge for me to a large degree as well, both in recognizing my issues and also putting into practice the changes I need to make, which center largely around quieting my mind, opening my heart, discipline, focus, and patience.
As living_failure said, therapy is usually a great start. Some therapists may be unhelpful, others are wonderful, I have a stickied thread in this subforum with advice on how to find one that'd be good for you, feel free to PM with any questions
There's also an online program called "Self Authoring", which basically utilizes writing and reflection as a therapy to go through your past, present, and future. I've found it very helpful, but it does take some motivation to stick with it as it's lots of writing.
And there's always the spiritual option as well. You don't have to submit yourself to blind faith and belief, there are lots of religions and philosophies that you may relate with and find stuff to help you to live a meaningful life. Buddhism, Taoism, and stoic philosophy have all helped me through severe times of existential dread and depression, and I've taken bits and pieces from a myriad of faiths and philosophies to help me build a picture of the type of life I want to lead.
Good luck on your path, things do inevitably get better if you keep taking the small steps every day
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Re: I feel like an old men [Re: feevers]
#26419699 - 01/06/20 05:25 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should probably see a doctor. What you describe there is quite vague and could potentially be compatible with clinical depression, but it could also be related to the likes of chronic fatigue syndrome, hormonal imbalances, perhaps even Lyme disease and a bunch of other stuff - none of which are killers, and you probably have none of these conditions, but you definitely have something which makes you feel unwell, and that something should be diagnosed in order to be addressed properly.
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JohnRainy
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It sounds like mononucleosis.
Do you have that?
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Re: I feel like an old men [Re: JohnRainy]
#26420736 - 01/07/20 10:27 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first guess was depression. But is so overrated i dont know.. The neighbours are hard to take, they make me get out of the couch to smoke when i dont even want. Cause i live in a flat.
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Pick up a new hobby.
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Quote:
Spiralspider said: Hey
Im still 29 and the last few years i feel like an old man does. Not having will to live, being tired all the time, doing things just because living is a waste of time, taking breaks of rest to rest, and no will to havr hobbies or to work, preferring just to have a walk or something, are some of the symptoms i have.
Its so weird,i sleep at 20h00 and i wake up at 10am, fuck man this is driving me crazy because i have the will to do something but i just preferr not to.
Im really scared my ultimate decision is to kill myself.
What can i do? Thanks
- stop smoking and drinking - stop over eating - stop eating junk food - bring peace into your being - mind and body - try prana yama - rhythmic breath control - to connect with your life force and life being - have faith in the Divine
You can do it!!
Sending you good healthy harmonious vibes!!!
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Re: I feel like an old men [Re: banquet]
#26445648 - 01/22/20 05:25 AM (4 years, 26 days ago) |
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You need a challenge something to focus on. when i first got disability my wife had just left me cause of the sleeping 20/hr a day, doped up on depakote and being DOA every 30 days. i had a place to live, no rent, all the money, and herb i could want with no bills, played a game i loved (played for 11 years 24/7). It took me 9 months to wanna blow my head off because there was no spark to life anymore, no challenge. This was after i had my surgery and was off the depakote as well. You need something to focus on and i'm not talking a video game or crosswords. build something take a course learn something. i personally like maintaining a garden.
also that sleeping shit... your body wants you to do w/e uses the least amount of energy thats why when you think about doing dishes or cleaning you cringe then go lay down. No difference than you making excesses to smoke a blunt instead of doing "X" work. dont give in.. go on a walk, do a work out stretches, something to get your heart rate up. your brain will thank you for it even though your body will be mad.
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IntoTheMaelstrom said: You should probably see a doctor. What you describe there is quite vague and could potentially be compatible with clinical depression, but it could also be related to the likes of chronic fatigue syndrome, hormonal imbalances, perhaps even Lyme disease and a bunch of other stuff - none of which are killers, and you probably have none of these conditions, but you definitely have something which makes you feel unwell, and that something should be diagnosed in order to be addressed properly.
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Deletes
Edited by Spiralspider (01/22/20 12:24 PM)
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banquet
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doctors are causing more issues than resolving them
have they got a cure for Death?
This is what Sri Aurobindo says about this:
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I would rather die and have done with it than spend life in defending myself against a phantasmal siege of microbes. If that is to be barbarous, unenlightened, I embrace gladly my Cimmerian darkness.
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Spiralspider said: Well while im awake i watch tv and hope im asleep again. Im always hoping for bedtime
1) stop watching any TV immediately.
2) stop eating sugar, caffeine, junk food, & alcohol. And no drugs for awhile, as if you're using them they are obviously not helping at this time.
3) Do some thing(s) you used to enjoy, & reduce over sleeping. Instead of TV (which is all about other peoples lives - whom you will never meet - and is largely fictitious), begin to observe yourself impersonally. Stop taking things for granted.
4) learn about diet at https://nutritionfacts.org/ or watch youtube videos by these Doctors:
the 2 best: Michael Greger, M.D. Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
but wait there are more:
Dr. Michael Klaper Neal D. Barnard, M.D. John A. McDougall, M.D. Dean Michael Ornish, M.D., cardiologist
Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn T. Colin Campbell Ph.D. (1961), biochemistry, nutrition, and microbiology, Cornell University Garth Davis, MD
5) Now follow some of their advice, immediately!
If these 5 ideas don't begin 2 help, in say a week or 2, or you're too messed up or tired, to make any changes, see a doctor and/or therapist, or things will continue to deteriorate.
Edited by laughingdog (01/28/20 11:41 PM)
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Kimble
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B vitamin shots! Get your levels tested. Why not get your testosterone tested at the same time.
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Anonymous #1 said: What is it you do while you're awake then?
Excellent question, if one doesn't exert themselves physically it can cause a buildup of restless energy. Diet is another one that should be looked at, poor fuel makes an engine run like shit and the body is a fine tuned machine that needs proper maintenance.
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Re: I feel like an old men [Re: banquet]
#26461279 - 01/30/20 11:53 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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banquet said: doctors are causing more issues than resolving them
have they got a cure for Death?
This is what Sri Aurobindo says about this:
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I would rather die and have done with it than spend life in defending myself against a phantasmal siege of microbes. If that is to be barbarous, unenlightened, I embrace gladly my Cimmerian darkness.
no they aren't, modern medicine has drastically improved peoples quality of life compared to say 200 years ago.
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Re: I feel like an old men [Re: dk-1]
#26463777 - 02/01/20 02:19 PM (4 years, 15 days ago) |
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Dudes i feel you guys you know what youre talking about and of course you wanna help.
The thing about me is walking around on loops all days and never know which hobby to pick and so on so on.
Thats why i keep procrastinating and doing nothing all day long is fucking heartbreaking.
I know things must come from within and we are responsible for our faith but i see that everything that comes to my head is rubish even though im getting good mastering my brain to feel good and so on i still got the same thoughts and beliefs.
To tell you a little bit of my history i was a wonder bright kid that had a heartbreak from my first girlfriend and then because i lacked sex i did the easy method to get sex and never had a girlfriend since then, and even girls seem to avoid me.
I dont know but there is something about the jungian shadow that is calling my attention to explore more because it is an very plausible explanation to why ive been so alone cause i guess i repressed my shadow can anyone explain me better about this because i dont seem to undrstand how it would change my behaviour.
Thanks
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you pick the hobby/ies that interest you.
women like confident men, men with at least a semblance of ambition, it's not hard to meet women or even get laid, unless you make it complicated.
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