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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26458083 - 01/29/20 07:25 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Cannabis is psychoactive. It does not act on the 5-HT2A receptors. Cannabis, hence, is not a psychedelic.


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: sideroxylon] * 2
    #26458406 - 01/29/20 11:38 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

the definition of psychedelic has nothing to do with receptor chemistry and everything to do with effects:
Psychedelic | Definition of Psychedelic at Dictionary.com
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/psychedelic

Psychedelic definition, of or noting a mental state characterized by a profound sense of intensified sensory perception, sometimes accompanied by severe perceptual distortion and hallucinations and by extreme feelings of either euphoria or despair.

my go to measure is the distorted sense of time passing as that in itself can give rise to all of the psychedelic effects, and it is always there when any other effect is noticed.


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: sideroxylon]
    #26458410 - 01/29/20 11:44 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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Cannabis is psychoactive. It does not act on the 5-HT2A receptors. Cannabis, hence, is not a psychedelic.



Salvia does not act on any serotonin receptors. So, by your definition, it is not a psychedelic?


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: Korean Jesus]
    #26458475 - 01/29/20 12:34 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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Cannabis is psychoactive. It does not act on the 5-HT2A receptors. Cannabis, hence, is not a psychedelic.



Salvia does not act on any serotonin receptors. So, by your definition, it is not a psychedelic?




Technically Salvia is more qualified as a dissociative. Still though, even dissociatives have Psychedelic qualities, like NMDA antagonists for example, which share some similarities with Psychedelics due to interaction with the Glutamatergic system.


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: Sabnock] * 1
    #26458631 - 01/29/20 02:44 PM (4 years, 19 days ago)

Dissociatives are classified as psychedelics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: Korean Jesus] * 2
    #26458656 - 01/29/20 02:57 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Technically, hallucinogen. But when used in the context of Psychedelics, it's typically referred to as a Psychedelic Dissociative, as dissociative effects do differ compared to traditional/classical Psychedelics. But the reason, imo, that these things share similarities and hence are often referred to as psychedelic, is because of the interactions between these substances and the Glutamatergic system, sometimes directly like with NMDA antagonists, sometimes indirectly like with Serotonin 2A to Metabotropic Glutamate 2 receptors. Either way, different substances regardless of their classification can hold psychedelic properties, but the classification does make a difference since there are differences according to the receptor binding profile.

As far as Cannabis goes, i do think it's more psychoactive than it is psychedelic, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have psychedelic properties, just not the same exact properties as classical Psychedelics.

The term Hallucinogen contains 3 classifications, classical Psychedelics, Dissociatives, and Deliriants. So as far as Dissociatives go, they are their own classification within the Hallucinogen family, not typically called Psychedelics.


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: Sabnock]
    #26459342 - 01/29/20 11:20 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Well put. I totally agree on the different classes as well :thumbup:


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26459642 - 01/30/20 05:56 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I've always classified cannabis as a psychoactive, with mild psychedelic properties depending on method of ingestion. Eat enough high quality cannabis in something and you'll probably trip a bit.


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26461612 - 01/31/20 06:41 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

a lot and for a long time too


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26462390 - 01/31/20 04:04 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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According to Erowid, cannabis (weed) is considered a mild psychedelic.




https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml

What makes you say Erowid classifies it as a "mild" psychedelic?  I just see them classifying it as: "Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant"


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: Sabnock]
    #26463713 - 02/01/20 01:38 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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The term Hallucinogen contains 3 classifications, classical Psychedelics, Dissociatives, and Deliriants. So as far as Dissociatives go, they are their own classification within the Hallucinogen family, not typically called Psychedelics.




I'm curious how cannabis is classified a dissociative because when I think of dissociatives I think of substances like ketamine. I dont think cannabis has the power to make one dissociate from the physical world like I've heard Ket does


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: TokeItUp12] * 1
    #26463748 - 02/01/20 02:01 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Cannabis is not a dissociative. 
It's a "Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant" 
https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 1
    #26463800 - 02/01/20 02:31 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Cannabis is not a dissociative. 
It's a "Intoxicant; Stimulant; Psychedelic; Depressant" 
https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml




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I'm curious how cannabis is classified a dissociative because when I think of dissociatives I think of substances like ketamine. I dont think cannabis has the power to make one dissociate from the physical world like I've heard Ket does</font>







High doses of cannabis can get pretty damn dissociating for me :yesnod: .

I am not saying cannabis is going to cause full on & complete anesthesia/dissociation and land someone in a "hole" like ketamine or other potent NMDA antagonists will, because it's not...but that's not to say it doesn't have some dissociating properties...With high doses of edibles and several times I've smoked a lot of potent hash/extracts, there is absolutely some strong dissociating aspects to what I experienced :yesnod: . Mostly from edibles specifically though, 11-OH-THC is no joke.






You guys look at things way too black and white.

For me, cannabis straddles the area between all sorts of drugs....Generally speaking, smoking casually/normal amounts, just a few tokes will have me classically "stoned/high". But depending on the dose, the route of administration, and the strain or cannabinoid/terpene profile, there are all sorts of different aspects that come about for me from the cannabis plant.

I absolutely concur with this venn diagram, with cannabis in the middle where all types of drugs overlap>>>









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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: openmind]
    #26463930 - 02/01/20 03:59 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

pre-dates salvia


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Re: Can Cannabis be categorized as psychedelic [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #26464172 - 02/01/20 06:47 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

Its in the Cannabis basics section: https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_basics.shtml

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Effects vary depending on dosage, with effects at low doses including a sense of well-being, mild enhancement of senses (smell, taste, hearing), subtle changes in thought and expression, talkativeness, giggling, increased appreciation of music, increased appetite, and mild closed-eye visuals. At higher doses, visuals may become more prominent, sense of time is altered, attention span and memory are frequently affected, and thought processes and mental perception may be significantly altered.




And heres from the Cannabis Effects: https://erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml

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At overly high doses, the effects are often likened to other psychedelics and panic and dysphoria (bad mood) are more common. High doses, especially when taken orally, can sometimes result in difficult experiences and trips to the emergency room in response to racing heart, extreme confusion, short-term memory loss, and panic. After high-dose experiences, especially among those who are not regular users, after effects can last 1-2 days






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