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I hear about this all the time and I just don’t get it. Who really would want a self driving car? Actually we’ve already had this for a long time, it’s called Public Transportation, but people don’t want to use it because it’s lame. I think self driving cars would be equally lame and slow. Have you ever ridden on AMTRACK? Imagine being in the middle of bum fuck nowhere going 29.7 MPH to your destination 500 miles away. How about the way they cycle roller coaster trains at the amusement park, slow as Hell. This is how I imagine self driving cars to be. I’m not sure of the intentions here. Maybe this is simply just another step in the progress of human laziness. Maybe it’s more? Maybe you’ll have to log in to your cars computer, maybe it will only take you on certain roads that you “subscribe” to? Maybe it’s all about tracking our every move? Maybe ever road will be a toll road, and your car keeps up with your mileage for which you get billed/taxed? Will some form of Google be in charge of your car, where you’re going, and when you’ll get there? Will it advertise to you, will it just happen to “accidentally” swing you by Burger King or McDonalds because those corporations paid google to send people? A self driving car would certainly keep a memory of everywhere it has taken each user, would you be OK with your entire travel history being available to your spouse? Maybe it all gets posted online for everyone to see? I think self driving cars are fucked up, I’d rather have a more effective and convenient public transportation system.
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So are you for or against public transportation?
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Self-Driving combines both, the convenience of having your vehicle (no waiting on a public transportation) with the convenience of not having to drive.
A win-win 
That being said, some cities have some advanced public transportations. Like Denver. Its legit and u don't really need a car. But its nice to have a self-driving car especially if you travel a lot.
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Self driving cars will change the business model entirely.
For urban and even suburban dwellers, you won't need to own a car, because you'll be able to schedule one any time. That isn't to say that people won't own them, but why would you when you could instead pay for the tiny fraction of the time that the car is in use? Right now, we own the entire thing, but the majority of the time it's rotting away outside your home or office. People are even so cognizant of that they build homes for their cars. It's a silly and wasteful system.
The insurance industry is also going to take a beating. Widespread driverless cars, as in a functional support system for them and their use, is at least 20 years out. We will continue to see it chip away though.
Road based bus rapid transit systems are the way of the future as far as public transport, IMO.
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I’m for Public Transportation, just better than what most places currently have. It doesn’t need to be a big ass bus that comes by every hour, but everyone having their own car is just wasteful. For instance, I just drove my 3500 pound car to carry my 200 pound body 2 miles to get 20 pounds of groceries. That way too much energy spent. When looking at it from that angle, bicycles seem to be the best bet for the future. It would probably help with the Diabetes and obesity epidemic too. So that’s a win-win to me as long as I don’t get run over by all of the cars. We would need to restructure our cities to resemble the way things were before everyone was driving everywhere. Literally every fucking where, have you seen someone drive 100 feet down their driveway to get the mail? I have.
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Honestly, I think a lot of people think “I can cruise around drunk as shit and nobody can do anything about it”, and that’s as far as their thought process goes. What if the car thinks you shouldn’t go to the liquor store? What if your spouse programs it to not allow it to take you to your friends house? What if you suddenly need to take an explosive dump, but your car doesn’t seem to sense the urgency?
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Public transit depends on the city for example, in my personal experience it is terrible in Winnipeg, Manitoba because it is all based around busses, and the road system is a mess and by moving from a car to a bus all you are doing is removing the headache of trying to navigate it in contrast, Montréal, Québec has a well-designed public transit system with busses taking bus lanes through a better road network; and a metro system travelling under the city unimpeded by the traffic on the roads
we will likely see self-driving vehicles involved in public transit systems where the city is not large or prosperous enough to warrant underground or elevated (monorail) transit systems
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The future is the opposite of what you imagine - if we're talking a 400mile road trip - roads designated for autonomous vehicles in communication with one another could easily exceed 120-140mph safely with tesla-like vehicles. I'll take that any day over a bunch of shit drivers weaving in and out of 65-75mph traffic.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: twighead]
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I'd like that too 
As well as autonomous flying vehicles going around 550~mph
Hyperloop if properly implemented, eventually may be able to push 1000 in tunnel systems
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People who like to drop acid and then go to the ocean to watch the sunset during the peak.
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People who like to drop acid and then go to the ocean to watch the sunset during the peak.
geeze, and here was me thinking that it enables people with disabilities who can't legally drive themselves to reduce their dependence on having someone drive them around
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As a kid my mother knew someone who missed 3 fingers. He was a psychotic, obsessed with the fact that the had the constant recurring dream that he was going to jump before a train. He really wanted to, was enthusiastic about it. He had attempted it once but then as the train came he realized THIS WASNT THE TRAIN OF THE DREAM so he tried jumping off the rails but ended up losing 3 fingers.
Not long after he did catch the train of his dreams, or rather it caught him - dead on.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Asante]
#26463860 - 02/01/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If people started getting self driving cars other people would still have their regular cars they drive and other people wouldn’t be able to afford the new self driving cars and people would want to hang on to their old cars so the people riding in the self driving cars would have to be careful of the people driving their old cars running into them, especially if they are slower
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Why would the people need to be careful of the other cars? The car is careful of the other cars... that's kinda the point
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: twighead]
#26464062 - 02/01/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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MY only issue with self driving cars is the programming on collision decisions. If your car senses an immediate threat ahead, but there are groups of pedestrians on both sides of you, how will the car react? What's the most ethical choice? Swerve into the least amount of people to protect the, "driver?" Someone has to program this shit.
It's a pretty big can of worms.
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This will also save an absolutely ridiculous amount of fuel and cut the emissions per car down dramatically
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That's cool and all, but why did the chicken cross the road? That's the real question.
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Perhaps in the future, self-driving cars will let the chickens cross the road, completely unharmed.
Then we will understand the wayz of the chicken....
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lmao. It was the chickens all along. They had us figured out and they played the long con.
I'll probably pay the price, I've eaten a few chickens worth of wings in my time.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Tantrika]
#26464575 - 02/02/20 02:40 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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JizzMasterZero said: Who really would want a self driving car?
People who like to drop acid and then go to the ocean to watch the sunset during the peak.
geeze, and here was me thinking that it enables people with disabilities who can't legally drive themselves to reduce their dependence on having someone drive them around
Never even occurred to me for a second about mobilising disabled people, my first thought was very much like Asante's idea.
I'd love to be able to get around when tripping. "Hey car, take me to the beach." "Hey car, take me to the forest." "Hey car, take me home"
Sweeeeet. 
I wonder if there'll be some sort of capacity required to be a passenger though, like a minor auto-pilot sobriety requirement. That'd suck.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Newbie]
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It's a pretty big can of worms.
This is honestly probably the key R&D issue.
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It's a pretty big can of worms.
This is honestly probably the key R&D issue.
I don't want an ethical car, I want a SUV that will plow through a football field of infant incubators, engaging 4x4 drive, if it had to to save my, its owner's, life.
I don't want a car that will drive me into a brick wall to save two cyclists.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Asante]
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How can one ov driving capability have any self respect when being piloted in a self driving car? I'm for self driving cars only insofar as it will reduce the egregious impact Toyotadopes have on the roadways. Toyotadopes, being oblivious to self respect to begin with, will be the first to flock to these autopiloting vehicles as they likewise have no respect for operating a vehicle in a proper manner. They do not deserve to drive and it would be beneficial for suitable motorists to remove them from making decisions behind the wheel. My fear in this regard, however, is that the technology that drives these vehicles will mimic the glacial and oblivious mannerisms ov the Toyotadope.
Personally, i will never own a self driving car. I like cars and i like to drive. I do'nt even want to own an electric vehicle. Long live the internal combustion engine and the art ov driving!
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: lavod]
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If you think toyota dopes are bad you should pay attention to SUV and minivan drivers of any model.
Self driving cars will be mandatory eventually. You won't be able drive a "manual" car with automatic traffic.
Especially once they're shown to be way more safe than human drivers.
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Self driving cars will be mandatory eventually. You won't be able drive a "manual" car with automatic traffic.
I never really considered that, that's interesting. Can you imagine being pulled over because driving is a crime? It won't be, "Sir do you know how fast you were driving?", it'll be, "Sir did you know that you were driving?"
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#26464908 - 02/02/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There are already a test cars with no human controls. Future cars will be like that.
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Self driving cars will be mandatory eventually. You won't be able drive a "manual" car with automatic traffic.
I never really considered that, that's interesting. Can you imagine being pulled over because driving is a crime? It won't be, "Sir do you know how fast you were driving?", it'll be, "Sir did you know that you were driving?" 
Sir you were going 245 miles an hour on a 250 mile an hour lane. What were you even thinking? Either you lock IN or you fuck OFF.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Asante]
#26464919 - 02/02/20 09:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There won't be any need for cops to do traffic enforcement anymore period.
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I pay attention to all bad driving behavior and am on the road way more than most people due to my profession. Minivan drivers tend to be bad, yes, but the worst ov that lot is definitely Toyota Sienna drivers. As for non-Toyota minivans, Dodge Caravan(and the Chrysler/Plymouth offshoots) drivers are nearly as bad. I have no idea why people buy those to begin with. Perhaps they're just Toyotadopes who cant afford a Toyota. The Dodge Caravan is, in all my years ov driving, the vehicle i have seen broken down on the side ov the road more than any other. Transmissions, head gaskets, valve seals, piston rings, electrical problems, you name it. Horribly unreliable vehicles and it's been well documented for decades, yet people still buy them.
As for mandatory self driving cars, that's not happening anytime within my lifetime.
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As far as collision avoidance and ethics go. It will be moot.
Roads will have sensors so will cars. Wildlife or person gets too close to roads all cars in the immediate area will halt or slow.
It will take deliberate suicide to get hit by the automatic vehicles and im that case fault is obvious.
The cars won't ever hit each other.
I don't want to see mandatory self driving but its absolutely inevitable in the next 40 years. Probably less
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I think its going to be great. Go on vacation and just sleep all the way there
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So then we get into, do they take away the steering wheel? Gas/clutch/brakes? What level of control will they leave in these vehicles beyond the radio? Will wipers be automatic too? What's the line between any of this?
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No wipers. Optional probably if you want to be able to see. The sensors don't need wipers.
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Touché.
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So would there even be a windshield then? I mean yeah you wanna see where you're going but Mercedes would orobably pull some shit where you don't need to see your surroundings.
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#26465386 - 02/02/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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There is a rolls Royce concept car with no windshield
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Newbie]
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few years ago one of the concept cars had screens built in for movie viewing, videogaming, or staying updated on the weather and the like
but yeah, feel like windows at minimum are important; it can be fun to sit in a train or the like and watch the world roll past
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lavod said: As for non-Toyota minivans, Dodge Caravan(and the Chrysler/Plymouth offshoots) drivers are nearly as bad. I have no idea why people buy those to begin with. Perhaps they're just Toyotadopes who cant afford a Toyota. The Dodge Caravan is, in all my years ov driving, the vehicle i have seen broken down on the side ov the road more than any other. Transmissions, head gaskets, valve seals, piston rings, electrical problems, you name it. Horribly unreliable vehicles and it's been well documented for decades, yet people still buy them.
Responding to myself here, but i have to mention something. So after making this post earlier today i had to go into work for a few hours on my usual day off. I take 2 deliveries on my first run and on the way back to the shop what do i see? A broken down Dodge Caravan with its hood up by the side ov the road! Go figure!
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Newbie said: MY only issue with self driving cars is the programming on collision decisions. If your car senses an immediate threat ahead, but there are groups of pedestrians on both sides of you, how will the car react? What's the most ethical choice? Swerve into the least amount of people to protect the, "driver?" Someone has to program this shit.
It's a pretty big can of worms.
Some guy just died in his Tesla. Drove itself into a freeway barrier. Not sure why it's even news, because OF COURSE IT FUCKING DROVE ITSELF INTO THE BARRIER.
I've been saying from the beginning how dangerous this shit is. Driving a car is not just gas, brake, left turn, right turn. There are too many variables that can never be accounted for in a computer program. That's just reality, how the geniuses who design these things fail to realize that is beyond me.
The reason it upsets me is because it puts my families lives in danger. Why are these things legal without the public voting on it? That is a very serious question, because I don't think they should be.
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How will you be able to justify human drivers when autonomous cause a lower rate of fatalities?
How many millions of people need to die in manually driven cars before it becomes clear something needs to be done? 
A self driving car can track every object in every direction around the car's momentum, heading, and react within a span of time that is impossible for a human.
No human can match those capabilities. We can only look in one direction at a time. I'd maybe take every driver on the road being an extremely skilled well measured driver over self driving- but we all know the average drivers are not.
The rate at which people drive drunk, distracted - is far higher than the rate at which those types of systems glitch, or make significant mistakes.
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A self driving car can track every object in every direction around the car's momentum, heading, and react within a span of time that is impossible for a human.
Says who, the Tesla company?
And even this is dismissing how complex driving really is. Again, there is NO WAY to program the infinite variables that we encounter on the road every day.
The craziest part is people are paying tens of thousands of dollars to be guinea pigs for this untested technology.
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It won't be too long before they're orders of magnitude more safe than human drivers. Of course never perfect so there's always going to be someone on a soap box. But autonomous cars will be a mandate once they're clearly way safer than human drivers
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One ov the most accurate movie quotes ov all time is from Jurassic Park: "Life, uh, finds a way". Life finds a way to live. Life finds a way to fuck up. Life finds a way to die trusting itself to seemingly unassailable technology. And humans are a part ov life despite how much they tend to deprive themselves ov the responsibility. Thank you for your logic Ran-D. It's far more sound than that ov the self-driving car supporters. The 1950s had jets so people thought that there would be flying cars in a decade. This current endeavor for self-driving cars follows a similar overenthusiastic ideology and will ultimately end in the same outcome. Even UFOs have crashed for fucks sake, and i doubt it was the fault ov the aliens.
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A self driving car can track every object in every direction around the car's momentum, heading, and react within a span of time that is impossible for a human.
Says who, the Tesla company?
And even this is dismissing how complex driving really is. Again, there is NO WAY to program the infinite variables that we encounter on the road every day.
The craziest part is people are paying tens of thousands of dollars to be guinea pigs for this untested technology.
Says like... any of the multiple companies working on these products. I mean, have you even looked at how they set up self-driving? Or are you just reacting out of fear without any actual research into the subject.
Mind you - Tesla's tech has a radar detecting objects within 550ft, front/side RCCB color filters, 3 front cameras focused on different ranges from close to 820 feet away, 4 cameras on each side with vision up to 300ft, 12 sonars, and a 300ft rear view camera.
How can a human compare to that? 
There aren't infinite variables for anything - and computers can already do incredibly complex tasks much better than you ever will hope to. Do you think in the military they have people tracking everything manually? Naw computers do that, and can shoot down a missile coming at you @ 5000mph with pinpoint accuracy. Humans can't compete with a properly tuned computer at mechanical/precision tasks and that's really just a fact at this point.
Back in even the 1980s they had stealth jets whose aerodynamics were so touchy they were literally unflyable by anything other than a fine-tuned computer... that technology has only progressed.
The main variables for driving? Speed, direction, and the speed and direction of other objects. It will have to make tough choices sometimes, and maybe not always the right one - but the same thing as a human no? There's almost always time to properly react to things on the road - if you're aware, and if there isn't it very very rarely is the driver/computers fault.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: lavod] 1
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lavod said: One ov the most accurate movie quotes ov all time is from Jurassic Park: "Life, uh, finds a way". Life finds a way to live. Life finds a way to fuck up. Life finds a way to die trusting itself to seemingly unassailable technology. And humans are a part ov life despite how much they tend to deprive themselves ov the responsibility. Thank you for your logic Ran-D. It's far more sound than that ov the self-driving car supporters. The 1950s had jets so people thought that there would be flying cars in a decade. This current endeavor for self-driving cars follows a similar overenthusiastic ideology and will ultimately end in the same outcome. Even UFOs have crashed for fucks sake, and i doubt it was the fault ov the aliens.
Yeah they'll fuck up sometimes, but we're talking about replacing a system that kills over a million people a year - so I think that fucking up a little is okay.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: twighead]
#26481532 - 02/12/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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twighead said:
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Ran-D said:
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twighead said:
A self driving car can track every object in every direction around the car's momentum, heading, and react within a span of time that is impossible for a human.
Says who, the Tesla company?
And even this is dismissing how complex driving really is. Again, there is NO WAY to program the infinite variables that we encounter on the road every day.
The craziest part is people are paying tens of thousands of dollars to be guinea pigs for this untested technology.
Says like... any of the multiple companies working on these products.
The dead guy begs to differ. Apparently these sensors can sense everything except giant cement barriers that are probably programmed into the GPS as well. Weird, huh?
I spend A LOT of time on gnarly mountain roads. No way I'm ever trusting a computer with that. And if you doubt the amount of variables then honestly you must not spend much time on the road.
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Re: Self Driving Cars? [Re: Ran-D]
#26481539 - 02/12/20 07:51 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Let's not forget computers can be destroyed by something as simple as a cup of water or even a porno website. Plus they constantly freeze and what not.
Just wait til your fancy cars start updating their software in traffic and one of em goes haywire and flies off the road or some shit.
Edited by Ran-D (02/12/20 07:56 AM)
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#26481578 - 02/12/20 08:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wont be long before automatic cars drive on mountain roads better than any human. Eventually a computer will hold the pikes peak hill climb record.
Flying cars isn't a good comparison. That would require air traffic control and everyone being a pilot. If we ever end up seeing flying cars it will be because of autonomous cars coming first
Eventually computers will make formula one drivers look like amateurs and will absolutely decimate a human record lap time in the same vehicle
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We already have flying cars, they are called airplanes. Until we have a major breakthrough in flight technology our cars won't be flying. We simply don't have the engineering prowess to create a vehicle that flies safely and capably but also works well as a car.
I do agree that self driving cars will ultimate outperform humans in every way, especially because they will be capable of being operated without a bag of meat on board.
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