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After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose?
#26463100 - 02/01/20 06:18 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A little while ago I went on a 10 gram mushroom trip, recently I decided to try an easy 5 gram trip. During this trip, nothing happened, no visuals, no sounds, no communication, only the feeling in my brain that I had taken mushrooms. I spent a couple of hours arguing with myself, thats about it.
so my question is, can you ever go back to lower doses? is 10 grams my new "bandwidth" so to speak.
does anyone have any experience with this?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463103 - 02/01/20 06:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well.. first of, how long did you wait between dosing?
feeling basically nothing on 5g mushrooms seems very weird without built up tolerance.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Hotdog from Space]
#26463133 - 02/01/20 06:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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over a month between the 10g and 5g.
i don't microdose and before the 10g, I hadn't taken any mushrooms for a couple of months.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463137 - 02/01/20 07:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Could be a combination of 2 variables: you are extremely insensitive to psilocin, and your mushrooms are really weak.
How was the 10g experience? I’d expect you saw the Big Bang, quantum mechanics in action, god......?
A 5g dose after a month abstention should have sky-rocketed you into hyperspace...
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26463152 - 02/01/20 07:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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the 10g was beyond description.
I grow my own, the 5g was from the same batch as the 10g.
I also have the odd sensation that i am on a mushroom trip permanently, all be it at low dose...the "brain pressure" is near constant.
i do the wim hoff breathing daily along with cold showers 3-4 times a week. I eat almost no carbs and deadlift like a mofo.
the constant trip feeling is odd
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463170 - 02/01/20 07:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm yes it does sound rather odd. Though maybe it’s a change in yourself that has occurred since a high dose. Waking reality can never be the same again after a profound deep trip. Maybe you’re now more aware of your body?
I’m not too clued up on how tolerance affects others, only myself using doses I’m used to; if that makes sense? After a 5+ gram trip, I generally take many months off; and then when I do come back, it will be in the 3 - 4g range.
So my guess then would be that after your 10g trip, you need a significant gap before your next. For this reason, my “sweetspot” seems to be around 3.8g cubensis. On that dose, I can trip at much more frequent intervals without any loss in potency, and with enough time to integrate the lesser experiences. I say lesser, but I still go deep, rewardingly so.
Finally regarding MS, and doses from the same flush; many peeps on here tell me that’s the reason I can have a strong trip then a weak trip. But I’ve never experienced it to this degree. Yes I accept there is variability within an MS flush, but only slight. The whole flush will tend towards a particular potency; if you remember any mathematics, think of a bell curve with potency the y-axis and mushrooms on the x-axis. At each end of the x-axis will be a small percentage of mushrooms, but the majority will fall under the middle of the curve...the bell. Dose that make sense?
I’ve found a picture of a bell curve on t’int...: Bell Curve ...might make more sense.
So for that reason, I don’t think your poor 5g experience was down to MS genetics; I think it’s much more likely it’s your tolerance. Give yourself a few months, try again, see if you get “the magic”. If you do, then maybe consider how frequently you would like to trip, and adjust your doses accordingly.
Hope this helps, dude, DJ Ed
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26463190 - 02/01/20 08:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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the constant trip feeling seems to create a feeling of de ja vu after every event that happens in my life, like i've experienced it before. So I don't really react to anything as significantly as I used to...because its already happened.
i'll conduct an experiment, in 2 weeks i'll take another 5 grams and see what happens. If i don't experience anything i'll give it a break for a couple of months.
when i say the same batch, i have a number of grow tubs of the same strain, i don't sort them after harvest, so i mix them all together. So it is unlikely the mushrooms are weaker.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463219 - 02/01/20 08:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you on any type of medication or take any supplements(herbal or preworkout for example)?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463252 - 02/01/20 08:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: recently I decided to try an easy 5 gram trip.

I don't know what would cause me to describe 5g as easy. Tolerance, low potency mushrooms? SSRI's?
Maybe back off for a while and integrate. Focus on other things? 10g would cause a serious disturbance of mind for me. 5g is huge even...
Edited by Kimble (02/01/20 09:18 AM)
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Kimble]
#26463282 - 02/01/20 09:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I used to eat a half oz and not even catch a buzz, it can take a long time for your tolerance to return to normal once you start eating that much. That’s been a couple of years but I can trip hard on 6 or 7 gs now.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Kimble] 1
#26463284 - 02/01/20 09:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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OP, are you eating them whole? How do you prep them?
I ask because I prefer to grind an entire batch with a coffee grinder and make capsules. I figure that's the best way to make each time as consistent as possible...i.e. homogenized
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: TheStallionMang]
#26463293 - 02/01/20 09:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Otta be a grow from a spore syringe. Just happen to had a 5 gram weak batch
In my experience my higher doses only made me more sensitive to lower doses.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Eclipse3130] 1
#26463320 - 02/01/20 09:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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when I say easy 5 I'm joking. there is nothing easy about it.
i 'm not on any medication what so ever.
over the coarse of 2.5 years i've probably been on 20 (5 gram) trips, sometimes they were about 7 grams.
the effects have never diminished before, its always been awesome and i have never had a single bad experience.
i grind up the mushrooms and mix it in yogurt, i can't stand the taste or smell of them.
in my last 7 or so trips i re-integrate in less than a day.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463321 - 02/01/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i grow mine from spores collected from the previous generation. cultivate in a petri dish and select rhizomorphic ....etc, etc.
i have a 5 strain library.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463341 - 02/01/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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in my last 7 or so trips i re-integrate in less than a day.
Really? Sometimes it takes me months to integrate the content of a trip. I don't mean coming down. I mean processing the content, thoughts, insights and emotions into a whole and completely integrated part of my Self. I think maybe we mean different things when we say integrate.
I don't mean to be a party pooper/boring old fud but dude, maybe you should slow down a bit or even take a break? Your large doses, high frequency of use, reported speed of integration, reported low perceived effects, all kinda add up to a feeling that perhaps you are not getting as much out of this as you could be. It might be worth changing your approach, dose and reintegration schedule to something slower and lower.
How old are you Simon?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463372 - 02/01/20 10:25 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The obvious answer is that your mushrooms lack potency, and that your "10 gram trip" amounted to nothing more than an average experience, and your 5 gram trip with low potency shrooms was therefore a complete disappointment.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Nature Boy]
#26463422 - 02/01/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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how dare you insinuate that my mushrooms lack potency 
i took the 10 grams with another person who has been on many trips (they had an equal dose), they vouched for the virility of the fungi.
lest not further question the glory of my grow.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Kimble]
#26463443 - 02/01/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i'm 40.
i never took any narcotic prior to slightly over 2 years ago.
i have gone months between some trips and other times i have taken every two weeks. at one point i had to slow down as i was changing too quickly.
the first times i took shrooms it took weeks to "integrate".
some notable trip highlights:
- met "god" a couple of times - met the assemblers of base reality - de-tanked...ala the matrix style - met the group watching over this section of the matrix - upgraded numerous times (base code re-write) - seen the city of golden light - visited the horseshoe nebula - briefly went into the body of other people (similar to how you observe the sims) - completely dis-embodied and removed from the program and asked if i would like to be installed somewhere else (i pussied out)
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463459 - 02/01/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah idk how this stuff happens, but it happens, I've had tolerance breaks, taken shrooms and acid and experienced minimal/no effects, then I try the same shit again a few days later and it's like God itself sat on my dick and gave my mind an orgasm. I definitely have noticed this more with shrooms than acid. but i've taken multiple heroic doses and if anything it's given me a much greater appreciation for lower doses. it's fun taking 10-15 hits of acid, it isn't easy to integrate these experiences in life. I think the more you use psychedelics the more you realize this natural progression. within my first 10 trips I went from 1 tab to 14, and havent taken more than 2 at a time since and generally just stick to one. I feel that this helps get me into the headspace I was in on my heroic doses while still remaining close enough to myself that I can make sense of some of the information i'm receiving. when you look at what your brain does on psychedelics it connects neural pathways between different function centers that don't normally communicate. you're increasing neural pathways that many people aren't capable of reaching on their own. you need to be able to integrate these experiences and thoughts into your life or you will just seem mad. I can't imagine being able to integrate a trip into my reality in just one day, and if I could, I wouldn't need to go down the rabbit hole regularly as my perception on reality would be so great the drug itself would do nothing for me at that point. personally I don't know what the meaning of life is anymore, but others are doing a good enough job at procreating. no matter how "hard" you trip, you should be able to pull something from the experience though. last shroom trip I ate 5 grams and then had maybe a gram a few days later and still felt effects so I have a hard time believing that your shrooms are that bad.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463460 - 02/01/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nope, you're broken forever now and can never use a lower dose ever again 
I think OP is talking wet grams not dry. And/or it's a multispore grow that's weak. And/or he's on meds or just a hard head. Take your pick.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Nature Boy]
#26463549 - 02/01/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: The obvious answer is that your mushrooms lack potency, and that your "10 gram trip" amounted to nothing more than an average experience, and your 5 gram trip with low potency shrooms was therefore a complete disappointment.


If you're wanting to trip again immediately after 10 grams.. you either got absolutely nothing from the experience(weak) it would make sense, since you said you got nothing from the 5 grams and/or are using them for the wrong reasons
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463861 - 02/01/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: i'm 40.
- met "god" a couple of times - met the assemblers of base reality - de-tanked...ala the matrix style - met the group watching over this section of the matrix - upgraded numerous times (base code re-write) - seen the city of golden light - visited the horseshoe nebula - briefly went into the body of other people (similar to how you observe the sims) - completely dis-embodied and removed from the program and asked if i would like to be installed somewhere else (i pussied out)
Man, have you read my CV?
But I can understand the low integration time, man, for me it used to take 2 weeks just even to integrate a weed trip, man. And I became better and better at it, man. Now I can integrate a 5g mushroom trip just by saying: "that was rad, man!".
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Hotdog from Space]
#26464005 - 02/01/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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wet shrooms maybe?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26464030 - 02/01/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive found over time it actually takes less to trip as if you get sensitized. Ten years after trying mushrooms my first time i can get great trips from a few grams but maybe they're just way better shrooms
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26464273 - 02/01/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I kind of think the “heroic dose” 5 g is just more like the sure thing like you are just definitely going to trip if you take this certain amount.
But if you take less you might not which doesn’t mean you can’t just trip that much harder off of one
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#26464398 - 02/01/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: The obvious answer is that your mushrooms lack potency, and that your "10 gram trip" amounted to nothing more than an average experience, and your 5 gram trip with low potency shrooms was therefore a complete disappointment.


If you're wanting to trip again immediately after 10 grams.. you either got absolutely nothing from the experience(weak) it would make sense, since you said you got nothing from the 5 grams and/or are using them for the wrong reasons
i was watching 2001: space odyssey and the end scene when he went through the stargate made me want to trip, so i did.
i think its still the best visual representation of a trip
i got plenty out of the 10g trip,. where is this rule written that you have to study the entrails of your trip for months before you dare go again?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: nooneman]
#26464403 - 02/01/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Nope, you're broken forever now and can never use a lower dose ever again 
I think OP is talking wet grams not dry. And/or it's a multispore grow that's weak. And/or he's on meds or just a hard head. Take your pick.
Dry grams. The multiple tubs used to grow them were inoculated with the same spawn jar. The dried mushrooms were mixed up and put in jars.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26464410 - 02/01/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: wet shrooms maybe?
nope
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26464581 - 02/02/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: psysearch]
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
interesting hypothesis. i normally consume a rehydrate pack before i trip...to ensure all the electrolytes are at optimal levels. i didn't this time.
i have never lost sensitivity before. maybe it was just an anomaly, or prep for the next trip by loosening something slightly
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26464639 - 02/02/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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All other things about integration and so on aside: The fact that you have that constant "brain pressure" since your 10g trip (or has it been there before?) and that the 5g didn't do much for you is a strong sign from my point of view, that you should try a longer break of at least a few months.
If there wasn't any discontentment with your recent mushroom experiences this thread wouldn't even exist.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
interesting hypothesis. i normally consume a rehydrate pack before i trip...to ensure all the electrolytes are at optimal levels. i didn't this time.
i have never lost sensitivity before. maybe it was just an anomaly, or prep for the next trip by loosening something slightly
I couldn't rule out a mega dose creating some long term tolerance, the 'no carb' just rang a bell as I’ve experimented with low-carb and repeated it a few times, where I wouldn't be fully tripping unless I had eaten carbs the night before or ate some during the trip to increase the effects. If that is the case it’s easy enough to test - if it’s weaker than it should be drink some OJ, eat a mango or a potato etc. Just be warned that it can be like going from barely tripping to tripping very hard in a short period of time!
I think the brains demand for glucose increases on psychedelics and for some people gluconeogenesis can’t keep up. With low-carb growing in popularity I thought there would be many more reports, I guess it could depend on the person and how well their brain adapts to not using carbohydrates as it's primary source of fuel.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: psysearch] 1
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The time dilation you experience during tripping, I believe, is because of the speed of your thinking. You are thinking so many thoughts, sometimes in parallel, in such a short space of time, that time actually does slow down relative to you. Now the brain is already a real hungry organ, which incidentally can only be fuelled by glucose, so imagine the brain’s energy demands while tripping.
I have type 1 diabetes, so have to watch my blood sugars carefully. Although I fast for about 6 hours before a trip, I always rinse my tea glass out with OJ - gets rid of the taste, and gives me enough glucose for about 4 hours. My trips are only ever poor due to mushroom genetics, not lack of glucose in my blood and muscles. 👍🏻
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26464935 - 02/02/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If your eating habits are so shit you have electrolyte packs to get back to normal levels I would start there as the tripping culprit. And eat some fucking carbs.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26465057 - 02/02/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A 10 gram trip should not affect your ability to trip at 5 grams, as long as you give enough time for tolerance to pass. Back when I was doing a lot of shroom trips I did several strong trips 10 grams and above. After that phase of experimentaion I settled back at 7 grams as my standard dosage. Those big trips did nothing to diminish the power of future trips. They just helped to educate me as to what dosage level worked best for me.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26465238 - 02/02/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: how dare you insinuate that my mushrooms lack potency 
i took the 10 grams with another person who has been on many trips (they had an equal dose), they vouched for the virility of the fungi.
lest not further question the glory of my grow.
If you've got fully isolated strains that's true. But if you've got something that throws different fruits it could account for it, assuming they were 100 g monsters and dried down to 10 g each. Or your drying method could be reducing potency, or even your storage. The improbable must be the explanation, as Holmes said... 
But seriously you've only got one "low" dose try after that and mushrooms can be damn fickle - especially if they're trying to teach you some kind of lesson for whatever reason.
They can turn on you and then even though everything seems exactly the same - dosage, set, setting, still basically nothing happens. Like they're thumbing their nose at you and saying who's really in charge here. OTOH you can do what you expect is a low end dose and get catapulted into infinite duration hyperspace until your mind bleeds.
All in the nature of the experience.
If I were you though, and I had a blended harvest same as the 10 g, I'd skip the 5 g experiment and just do 10 g again. Only way to be sure.
Everybody's different. Maybe add some carbs to the diet though. Your liver function might be compromised, resulting in poor conversion of psilocybin to psilocin, or just excessive excretion of the precursor before it even gets active.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: If your eating habits are so shit you have electrolyte packs to get back to normal levels I would start there as the tripping culprit. And eat some fucking carbs.
i regularly fast 16 hours a day, with a couple of days during the week where this is not done. my eating habits are really good, i don't consume refined carbohydrates...you know...its a good thing.
i started the electrolyte habit because i would trip on a sunday after sauna. i do eat a few gummy bears and some chocolate during the trip...because i can see the need for it.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: djitin]
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djitin said: All other things about integration and so on aside: The fact that you have that constant "brain pressure" since your 10g trip (or has it been there before?) and that the 5g didn't do much for you is a strong sign from my point of view, that you should try a longer break of at least a few months.
If there wasn't any discontentment with your recent mushroom experiences this thread wouldn't even exist.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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i took the 10 grams with another person who has been on many trips (they had an equal dose), they vouched for the virility of the fungi.
lest not further question the glory of my grow.
If you've got fully isolated strains that's true. But if you've got something that throws different fruits it could account for it, assuming they were 100 g monsters and dried down to 10 g each. Or your drying method could be reducing potency, or even your storage. The improbable must be the explanation, as Holmes said... 
But seriously you've only got one "low" dose try after that and mushrooms can be damn fickle - especially if they're trying to teach you some kind of lesson for whatever reason.
They can turn on you and then even though everything seems exactly the same - dosage, set, setting, still basically nothing happens. Like they're thumbing their nose at you and saying who's really in charge here. OTOH you can do what you expect is a low end dose and get catapulted into infinite duration hyperspace until your mind bleeds.
All in the nature of the experience.
If I were you though, and I had a blended harvest same as the 10 g, I'd skip the 5 g experiment and just do 10 g again. Only way to be sure.
Everybody's different. Maybe add some carbs to the diet though. Your liver function might be compromised, resulting in poor conversion of psilocybin to psilocin, or just excessive excretion of the precursor before it even gets active. 
yeah, toss that 5g idea and go straight back to 10g. Eat some sugar, to get some sugar in the next dimension 
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
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Complex carbs please. 
Note that some people report they get more sensitive. Others report the opposite. Brain chemistry is complicated, and it depends on body chemistry and body function as well. I've always found high CV fitness correlates well with tripping...
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: PrimalSoup]
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I thought this thread was about having a profound moment on 10g and not seeing the worth of doing 5g.
Sounds like they were lacking.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
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Well the only reason you think this is a good idea is because you've brainwashed yourself with research you trust.
But yea cut that shit out if you want to treat your body right.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
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Well the only reason you think this is a good idea is because you've brainwashed yourself with research you trust.
But yea cut that shit out if you want to treat your body right.
Hey Bodhi could you expand on this a bit? Most of the research I've done on intermittent fasting has shown that it is a good way to regulate your body's hunger hormones and that humans have been doing it since we evolved. I regularly fast and I trip just fine. Why do you think fasting harms the body?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Splash_damage]
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You know why theories that rely on what we did as cavemen being valid is invalid. Because we don't go around raping people and beating males over the head who get in our way. Well a small fraction of people do. Same for fasting we're not in a shit situation. Humans are largely not lactose intolerant anymore. Why because we're not cavemen anymore. Evolution is macroscopic, microscopic, genetic, phenotypic, epigenetic, and probably a whole host of other things. Same goes for fasting. If you have the ability to nourish yourself you'll have a far more clear mind and efficient metabolism. Listen to your body not some fucking hack.
Language, reasoning, logic, math, all passed on are far more valuable than slow genetic changes. Our bodies are not adapted to fasting anymore.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
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I don't really understand the listen to your body thing Bod... People who listen to their body generally become obese and get type 2 diabetes. Your body wants to store as much fat as possible in case of periods of starvation. There are plenty of nutritionists studying fasting right now as a method for weight loss and data is showing that it is far more effective than the usually recommended caloric restriction. I can point you to some papers if you'd like.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
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SimpleSimon said: A little while ago I went on a 10 gram mushroom trip, recently I decided to try an easy 5 gram trip. During this trip, nothing happened, no visuals, no sounds, no communication, only the feeling in my brain that I had taken mushrooms. I spent a couple of hours arguing with myself, thats about it.
so my question is, can you ever go back to lower doses? is 10 grams my new "bandwidth" so to speak.
does anyone have any experience with this?
i was of the mindset this is the case, i regularly do 12-15g doses because ive stepped up that high. but just last weekend i was quite a few beers in and decided to eat the last of my stash, exactly an eighth. i didn't think anything was going to happen but i definitely tripped pretty hard. idk if it was because of how much beer i had ingested throughout the day prior but i definitely felt on par with a 8-10g dose. I think it may have to do with freshness of the shrooms, if theyre dry or wet, ingestion method and the set/ setting.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: You know why theories that rely on what we did as cavemen being valid is invalid. Because we don't go around raping people and beating males over the head who get in our way. Well a small fraction of people do. Same for fasting we're not in a shit situation. Humans are largely not lactose intolerant anymore. Why because we're not cavemen anymore. Evolution is macroscopic, microscopic, genetic, phenotypic, epigenetic, and probably a whole host of other things. Same goes for fasting. If you have the ability to nourish yourself you'll have a far more clear mind and efficient metabolism. Listen to your body not some fucking hack.
Language, reasoning, logic, math, all passed on are far more valuable than slow genetic changes. Our bodies are not adapted to fasting anymore.
fasting works because we over-consume calories daily outside of our caloric needs. we dont need 2000 calories a day, that number was made up by the government during ww2 because that is what was viable to keep the troops fighting overseas "healthy"(enough to fight). Same thing with fat free shit. we literally need fats to be healthy. its word association. the governement removed fat from foods to make it healthier, well it just made it taste like shit so they decided pumping it full of sugars would make it taste better. look at our society pre 1970-80 and post, there is no way we had as many fat people then as we do now. and dont feed me the we evolved into it line. evolution doesnt happen in 50 years. we dont need to eat 3x a day because that shit was invented by the pilgrims to seperate themselves from the savages (native americans) whom didnt eat three meals a day. and yes, 65% of people are lactose intolerant after infancy. we are the only mammals to consume milk after infancy, and definitely the only mammals to consume another animals milk. shit is not natural.
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Splash_damage said: I don't really understand the listen to your body thing Bod... People who listen to their body generally become obese and get type 2 diabetes. Your body wants to store as much fat as possible in case of periods of starvation. There are plenty of nutritionists studying fasting right now as a method for weight loss and data is showing that it is far more effective than the usually recommended caloric restriction. I can point you to some papers if you'd like.
Those people listen to depression and boredom. And no one said go out and eat processed sugar filled shit
Drinking milk is as natural as ants that farm fungus. What humans or any species does with the skills their genes give is 100% natural.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: numnum59]
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Yep dude it was all a lie!
Just like the tobacco companies used to pay doctors to say brand x was healthier than brand y; just as the breweries mislead us with their propaganda that alcohol is not only healthy in moderation (which it is not), but also beneficial, almost essential; well the sugar industries a couple of years back were found out; they’d been paying scientists to put up the smoke screen to the dangers of sugar, by saying that saturated fat was dangerous. And we all fell for it.
Turns out saturated fat is essential.
Do your own research people, and go by your instincts, not what the media tells you!
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Some fascinating stuff, bodhisatta,
I was recently having a history discussion with somebody when we also got onto depression, when he said something that has really stuck with me: he basically said that depression was increasing in today’s western society for many reasons, but a large factor is that we are still living in cavemen’s bodies that in the 200,000 years since we left the caves, has not had enough time to evolve, I.e. to live in the 21st century. Basically we’d all be happier with proper stresses in our lives (will a dinosaur kill me if I leave the cave? vs. This hair colour is not what I wanted) and caveman culture, and caveman diet! They weren’t depressed. They ate mushrooms. Lived in tribes. Were inexorably connected with nature......
It sounded really plausible to me. What are your thoughts, bodhisatta?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
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Ofcourse you can. In my experience, high doses caused me to appreciate what lower doses have to offer. The spectrum of psychedelics is a blessing. Every trip isn't meant to be earth shattering. Some things are meant to accumulate.
A week of microdosing bits and pieces of a Quarter OZ could teach you more than eating that exact same 7 grams at once.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: VanityKills]
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Or not. That wasn't what the thread was about. OP wanted to know if anybody had the experience where one uber-high dose rendered the effects of previously normal doses negligible. Not how to dose up.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
interesting hypothesis. i normally consume a rehydrate pack before i trip...to ensure all the electrolytes are at optimal levels. i didn't this time.
i have never lost sensitivity before. maybe it was just an anomaly, or prep for the next trip by loosening something slightly
Interesting....I recently was on a keto diet and took a 3g dose. Felt the initial buzz as if the trip was about to begin, but then it just faded. Had no idea why but now I'm thinking the lack of carbs might be the reason.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Sleepingboodah]
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How long were you on the keto diet?
If studies with endurance athletes is anything to go by, it probably takes 6 months+ of adaptation until the body is using fat/ketones efficiently enough.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: psysearch]
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I've always wondered about this as well. I love my standard dose of around 4.5/5g Cubensis. I've always wondered if I took a huge leap if it would ever make me taking a "rec" dose for my hikes to be a waste.
Because I love taking them and doing things outdoors. No phone, no cars.. just being out in nature. Granted, my rec dose is more around 3/3.5g Cubensis - but 4/4.5g if I'm at the house and wanna get deep.
Those doses seem to do the trick for me right now, and I don't feel much of a push to really go deeper at the moment actually. But, the way I look at it is.. I will never take a gram or two. Because the 3.5/4g is the headspace that I like - anything less than that feels like I rather just be sober.
But I doubt that's in the same ball game as 5/10g...
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
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It was reported once that Owsley Stanley by accident downed an entire shot glass of LSD at a Grateful Dead show, maybe Playboy After Dark I forget, and when asked if he still enjoys tripping or if he can trip after that he said something along the lines of "Once you've been baked by the entire sun, a tan on the beach isn't very appealing" (Maybe that wasn't his exact word choice, could have been interesting or productive)
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: tennessee_jed953]
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1st of all, why would a shot glass of LSD be "sitting around"?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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tyrannicalrex said: 1st of all, why would a shot glass of LSD be "sitting around"?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Shr00mEater]
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I'm quite new to psychedelics (about 3 years xp) and still can get fantastic results with relatively low doses, like 200mics acid or 3g shrooms. I'm grateful for that aswell, because it is resourcefull and has a lower risk potential.
However i can still highly enjoy small doeses, like 50mics LSD and 1-2g Shrooms.
Of course it changes the quality of the trip, its less a "ticket" you buy and a show you enjoy. It is more that it enhances your life. And when you are happy, then there can already be alot going on on low dose.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SpearCaps]
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I'm coming from the the other side of 'what just (didn't) happen?'... To clear up the usual questions of personal demographics and prior experience: I'm pushing 65 fast, in good health except for a persistent 'low level' depressive mindset that stems perhaps more from 'nurture' than nature, hence my first interest is microdosing, followed closely by curiosity about the experience of larger doses. I took adderall and bupropion for ~7 years, quit them cold turkey about 2 months ago when I decided to explore mushrooms, and started making cultures. And the heart of the medical history: I have a higher than normal tolerance of physical pain, as well as a lot of resistance to many 'mainstream' pain killers. My recreational drug experience was a very limited use of pot in my teens, and not much else after that. I developed an allergy to pot smoke--but could cook with it if I wanted to. Don't drink, don't smoke. Chemically, life has been boring for at least 40 years. I identify with those who have taken progressive mushroom doses, who wonder if the shroom batch was a dud. I've written posts over the past couple of weeks on the shroom potency question, and won't repeat the whole thing here.
Briefly: first dose of mushrooms ever was 2 weeks ago, ~21g wet of GT. After an hour of feeling a little fuzzy, got up and washed dishes, did a little stuff around the apartment, and even went to visit someone next door, although I know I wouldn't want to drive in that condition. I microdosed (0.2g) a few days later. 2nd trip attempt was 8 days ago, 2.1g of B+ harvested/dried a few days prior. Had pretty colors with eyes closed, open-eyed wasn't too different from first time. Afterward, I did chat on line with a friend, and laughed harder than I have in a long time, which was something I needed, so the shroom experience was not a bust. 3rd dose was 2.7g of B+. I figured this would be a continuation of the previous, slightly lower dose. Nope. I ended up listening to a favorite album, no visuals, feeling slightly horny. Did a couple hours of shroom culture prep afterwards.
I'm really tempted to wait a couple days, and try a much larger dose, such as 5g, and regardless of the experience, then lay off for a couple weeks, except for a weekly microdose. I know my attitude and outlook have changed for the better, and the microdoses can be felt indirectly at least in that way.
Lay it on me--what's your take on all this? Maybe 5g once a month would be just normal for my metabolism?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: RRedBBeard]
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RRedBBeard said: I'm coming from the the other side of 'what just (didn't) happen?'... To clear up the usual questions of personal demographics and prior experience: I'm pushing 65 fast, in good health except for a persistent 'low level' depressive mindset that stems perhaps more from 'nurture' than nature, hence my first interest is microdosing, followed closely by curiosity about the experience of larger doses. I took adderall and bupropion for ~7 years, quit them cold turkey about 2 months ago when I decided to explore mushrooms, and started making cultures. And the heart of the medical history: I have a higher than normal tolerance of physical pain, as well as a lot of resistance to many 'mainstream' pain killers. My recreational drug experience was a very limited use of pot in my teens, and not much else after that. I developed an allergy to pot smoke--but could cook with it if I wanted to. Don't drink, don't smoke. Chemically, life has been boring for at least 40 years. I identify with those who have taken progressive mushroom doses, who wonder if the shroom batch was a dud. I've written posts over the past couple of weeks on the shroom potency question, and won't repeat the whole thing here.
Briefly: first dose of mushrooms ever was 2 weeks ago, ~21g wet of GT. After an hour of feeling a little fuzzy, got up and washed dishes, did a little stuff around the apartment, and even went to visit someone next door, although I know I wouldn't want to drive in that condition. I microdosed (0.2g) a few days later. 2nd trip attempt was 8 days ago, 2.1g of B+ harvested/dried a few days prior. Had pretty colors with eyes closed, open-eyed wasn't too different from first time. Afterward, I did chat on line with a friend, and laughed harder than I have in a long time, which was something I needed, so the shroom experience was not a bust. 3rd dose was 2.7g of B+. I figured this would be a continuation of the previous, slightly lower dose. Nope. I ended up listening to a favorite album, no visuals, feeling slightly horny. Did a couple hours of shroom culture prep afterwards.
I'm really tempted to wait a couple days, and try a much larger dose, such as 5g, and regardless of the experience, then lay off for a couple weeks, except for a weekly microdose. I know my attitude and outlook have changed for the better, and the microdoses can be felt indirectly at least in that way.
Lay it on me--what's your take on all this? Maybe 5g once a month would be just normal for my metabolism?
You should make this a main post, I think it would make its own great topic. So, I won’t comment on it in this topic. I only found it because I was looking for chum to troll to the surface, but, now, I want to encourage you to post this up in this forum as it’s own topic, or even the getting started forum would be a good home for it. 
I am glad to see another elder on this forum and excited to read about your journey into psychedelia.
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This will take away from the topic itself and you've asked a pretty solid question.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
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Pls feel free to delete at will. I posted it in Getting Started. Thx!
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RRedBBeard said: Pls feel free to delete at will. I posted it in Getting Started. Thx!
Nope. Totally cool. It might help anyone else reading through this thread who also has something to share and isn’t quite sure where to post, or didn’t know what kind of posts are better as response posts and which deserve their own threads.
Happy to see the thread you made over in Getting Started is getting feedback, I will post there later, give everyone a chance first before I get in there and derail it, lol
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