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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26470409 - 02/05/20 02:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I thought this thread was about having a profound moment on 10g and not seeing the worth of doing 5g.
Sounds like they were lacking.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26470477 - 02/05/20 03:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: i regularly fast 16 hours a day
Well the only reason you think this is a good idea is because you've brainwashed yourself with research you trust.
But yea cut that shit out if you want to treat your body right.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26470820 - 02/05/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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SimpleSimon said: i regularly fast 16 hours a day
Well the only reason you think this is a good idea is because you've brainwashed yourself with research you trust.
But yea cut that shit out if you want to treat your body right.
Hey Bodhi could you expand on this a bit? Most of the research I've done on intermittent fasting has shown that it is a good way to regulate your body's hunger hormones and that humans have been doing it since we evolved. I regularly fast and I trip just fine. Why do you think fasting harms the body?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Splash_damage]
#26471030 - 02/05/20 08:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You know why theories that rely on what we did as cavemen being valid is invalid. Because we don't go around raping people and beating males over the head who get in our way. Well a small fraction of people do. Same for fasting we're not in a shit situation. Humans are largely not lactose intolerant anymore. Why because we're not cavemen anymore. Evolution is macroscopic, microscopic, genetic, phenotypic, epigenetic, and probably a whole host of other things. Same goes for fasting. If you have the ability to nourish yourself you'll have a far more clear mind and efficient metabolism. Listen to your body not some fucking hack.
Language, reasoning, logic, math, all passed on are far more valuable than slow genetic changes. Our bodies are not adapted to fasting anymore.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26471202 - 02/05/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't really understand the listen to your body thing Bod... People who listen to their body generally become obese and get type 2 diabetes. Your body wants to store as much fat as possible in case of periods of starvation. There are plenty of nutritionists studying fasting right now as a method for weight loss and data is showing that it is far more effective than the usually recommended caloric restriction. I can point you to some papers if you'd like.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26471233 - 02/05/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: A little while ago I went on a 10 gram mushroom trip, recently I decided to try an easy 5 gram trip. During this trip, nothing happened, no visuals, no sounds, no communication, only the feeling in my brain that I had taken mushrooms. I spent a couple of hours arguing with myself, thats about it.
so my question is, can you ever go back to lower doses? is 10 grams my new "bandwidth" so to speak.
does anyone have any experience with this?
i was of the mindset this is the case, i regularly do 12-15g doses because ive stepped up that high. but just last weekend i was quite a few beers in and decided to eat the last of my stash, exactly an eighth. i didn't think anything was going to happen but i definitely tripped pretty hard. idk if it was because of how much beer i had ingested throughout the day prior but i definitely felt on par with a 8-10g dose. I think it may have to do with freshness of the shrooms, if theyre dry or wet, ingestion method and the set/ setting.
more experimentation to follow
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26471243 - 02/05/20 10:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: You know why theories that rely on what we did as cavemen being valid is invalid. Because we don't go around raping people and beating males over the head who get in our way. Well a small fraction of people do. Same for fasting we're not in a shit situation. Humans are largely not lactose intolerant anymore. Why because we're not cavemen anymore. Evolution is macroscopic, microscopic, genetic, phenotypic, epigenetic, and probably a whole host of other things. Same goes for fasting. If you have the ability to nourish yourself you'll have a far more clear mind and efficient metabolism. Listen to your body not some fucking hack.
Language, reasoning, logic, math, all passed on are far more valuable than slow genetic changes. Our bodies are not adapted to fasting anymore.
fasting works because we over-consume calories daily outside of our caloric needs. we dont need 2000 calories a day, that number was made up by the government during ww2 because that is what was viable to keep the troops fighting overseas "healthy"(enough to fight). Same thing with fat free shit. we literally need fats to be healthy. its word association. the governement removed fat from foods to make it healthier, well it just made it taste like shit so they decided pumping it full of sugars would make it taste better. look at our society pre 1970-80 and post, there is no way we had as many fat people then as we do now. and dont feed me the we evolved into it line. evolution doesnt happen in 50 years. we dont need to eat 3x a day because that shit was invented by the pilgrims to seperate themselves from the savages (native americans) whom didnt eat three meals a day. and yes, 65% of people are lactose intolerant after infancy. we are the only mammals to consume milk after infancy, and definitely the only mammals to consume another animals milk. shit is not natural.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Splash_damage] 1
#26471453 - 02/06/20 04:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Splash_damage said: I don't really understand the listen to your body thing Bod... People who listen to their body generally become obese and get type 2 diabetes. Your body wants to store as much fat as possible in case of periods of starvation. There are plenty of nutritionists studying fasting right now as a method for weight loss and data is showing that it is far more effective than the usually recommended caloric restriction. I can point you to some papers if you'd like.
Those people listen to depression and boredom. And no one said go out and eat processed sugar filled shit
Drinking milk is as natural as ants that farm fungus. What humans or any species does with the skills their genes give is 100% natural.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: numnum59]
#26471767 - 02/06/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yep dude it was all a lie!
Just like the tobacco companies used to pay doctors to say brand x was healthier than brand y; just as the breweries mislead us with their propaganda that alcohol is not only healthy in moderation (which it is not), but also beneficial, almost essential; well the sugar industries a couple of years back were found out; they’d been paying scientists to put up the smoke screen to the dangers of sugar, by saying that saturated fat was dangerous. And we all fell for it.
Turns out saturated fat is essential.
Do your own research people, and go by your instincts, not what the media tells you!
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta] 1
#26471775 - 02/06/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some fascinating stuff, bodhisatta,
I was recently having a history discussion with somebody when we also got onto depression, when he said something that has really stuck with me: he basically said that depression was increasing in today’s western society for many reasons, but a large factor is that we are still living in cavemen’s bodies that in the 200,000 years since we left the caves, has not had enough time to evolve, I.e. to live in the 21st century. Basically we’d all be happier with proper stresses in our lives (will a dinosaur kill me if I leave the cave? vs. This hair colour is not what I wanted) and caveman culture, and caveman diet! They weren’t depressed. They ate mushrooms. Lived in tribes. Were inexorably connected with nature......
It sounded really plausible to me. What are your thoughts, bodhisatta?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26472116 - 02/06/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ofcourse you can. In my experience, high doses caused me to appreciate what lower doses have to offer. The spectrum of psychedelics is a blessing. Every trip isn't meant to be earth shattering. Some things are meant to accumulate.
A week of microdosing bits and pieces of a Quarter OZ could teach you more than eating that exact same 7 grams at once.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: VanityKills]
#26472143 - 02/06/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Or not. That wasn't what the thread was about. OP wanted to know if anybody had the experience where one uber-high dose rendered the effects of previously normal doses negligible. Not how to dose up.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26482997 - 02/13/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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psysearch said:
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
interesting hypothesis. i normally consume a rehydrate pack before i trip...to ensure all the electrolytes are at optimal levels. i didn't this time.
i have never lost sensitivity before. maybe it was just an anomaly, or prep for the next trip by loosening something slightly
Interesting....I recently was on a keto diet and took a 3g dose. Felt the initial buzz as if the trip was about to begin, but then it just faded. Had no idea why but now I'm thinking the lack of carbs might be the reason.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Sleepingboodah]
#26489476 - 02/17/20 05:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How long were you on the keto diet?
If studies with endurance athletes is anything to go by, it probably takes 6 months+ of adaptation until the body is using fat/ketones efficiently enough.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: psysearch]
#26489532 - 02/17/20 06:44 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've always wondered about this as well. I love my standard dose of around 4.5/5g Cubensis. I've always wondered if I took a huge leap if it would ever make me taking a "rec" dose for my hikes to be a waste.
Because I love taking them and doing things outdoors. No phone, no cars.. just being out in nature. Granted, my rec dose is more around 3/3.5g Cubensis - but 4/4.5g if I'm at the house and wanna get deep.
Those doses seem to do the trick for me right now, and I don't feel much of a push to really go deeper at the moment actually. But, the way I look at it is.. I will never take a gram or two. Because the 3.5/4g is the headspace that I like - anything less than that feels like I rather just be sober.
But I doubt that's in the same ball game as 5/10g...
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast]
#26489673 - 02/17/20 09:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It was reported once that Owsley Stanley by accident downed an entire shot glass of LSD at a Grateful Dead show, maybe Playboy After Dark I forget, and when asked if he still enjoys tripping or if he can trip after that he said something along the lines of "Once you've been baked by the entire sun, a tan on the beach isn't very appealing" (Maybe that wasn't his exact word choice, could have been interesting or productive)
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: tennessee_jed953]
#26490398 - 02/17/20 04:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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1st of all, why would a shot glass of LSD be "sitting around"?
Secondly:
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26490457 - 02/17/20 04:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tyrannicalrex said: 1st of all, why would a shot glass of LSD be "sitting around"?
Secondly:

You’re going to the wrong party.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Shr00mEater]
#26490475 - 02/17/20 05:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm quite new to psychedelics (about 3 years xp) and still can get fantastic results with relatively low doses, like 200mics acid or 3g shrooms. I'm grateful for that aswell, because it is resourcefull and has a lower risk potential.
However i can still highly enjoy small doeses, like 50mics LSD and 1-2g Shrooms.
Of course it changes the quality of the trip, its less a "ticket" you buy and a show you enjoy. It is more that it enhances your life. And when you are happy, then there can already be alot going on on low dose.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SpearCaps]
#26494357 - 02/20/20 03:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm coming from the the other side of 'what just (didn't) happen?'... To clear up the usual questions of personal demographics and prior experience: I'm pushing 65 fast, in good health except for a persistent 'low level' depressive mindset that stems perhaps more from 'nurture' than nature, hence my first interest is microdosing, followed closely by curiosity about the experience of larger doses. I took adderall and bupropion for ~7 years, quit them cold turkey about 2 months ago when I decided to explore mushrooms, and started making cultures. And the heart of the medical history: I have a higher than normal tolerance of physical pain, as well as a lot of resistance to many 'mainstream' pain killers. My recreational drug experience was a very limited use of pot in my teens, and not much else after that. I developed an allergy to pot smoke--but could cook with it if I wanted to. Don't drink, don't smoke. Chemically, life has been boring for at least 40 years. I identify with those who have taken progressive mushroom doses, who wonder if the shroom batch was a dud. I've written posts over the past couple of weeks on the shroom potency question, and won't repeat the whole thing here.
Briefly: first dose of mushrooms ever was 2 weeks ago, ~21g wet of GT. After an hour of feeling a little fuzzy, got up and washed dishes, did a little stuff around the apartment, and even went to visit someone next door, although I know I wouldn't want to drive in that condition. I microdosed (0.2g) a few days later. 2nd trip attempt was 8 days ago, 2.1g of B+ harvested/dried a few days prior. Had pretty colors with eyes closed, open-eyed wasn't too different from first time. Afterward, I did chat on line with a friend, and laughed harder than I have in a long time, which was something I needed, so the shroom experience was not a bust. 3rd dose was 2.7g of B+. I figured this would be a continuation of the previous, slightly lower dose. Nope. I ended up listening to a favorite album, no visuals, feeling slightly horny. Did a couple hours of shroom culture prep afterwards.
I'm really tempted to wait a couple days, and try a much larger dose, such as 5g, and regardless of the experience, then lay off for a couple weeks, except for a weekly microdose. I know my attitude and outlook have changed for the better, and the microdoses can be felt indirectly at least in that way.
Lay it on me--what's your take on all this? Maybe 5g once a month would be just normal for my metabolism?
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