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Eclipse3130
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Nature Boy]
#26463549 - 02/01/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nature Boy said: The obvious answer is that your mushrooms lack potency, and that your "10 gram trip" amounted to nothing more than an average experience, and your 5 gram trip with low potency shrooms was therefore a complete disappointment.


If you're wanting to trip again immediately after 10 grams.. you either got absolutely nothing from the experience(weak) it would make sense, since you said you got nothing from the 5 grams and/or are using them for the wrong reasons
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (02/01/20 12:17 PM)
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26463861 - 02/01/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: i'm 40.
- met "god" a couple of times - met the assemblers of base reality - de-tanked...ala the matrix style - met the group watching over this section of the matrix - upgraded numerous times (base code re-write) - seen the city of golden light - visited the horseshoe nebula - briefly went into the body of other people (similar to how you observe the sims) - completely dis-embodied and removed from the program and asked if i would like to be installed somewhere else (i pussied out)
Man, have you read my CV?
But I can understand the low integration time, man, for me it used to take 2 weeks just even to integrate a weed trip, man. And I became better and better at it, man. Now I can integrate a 5g mushroom trip just by saying: "that was rad, man!".
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Hotdog from Space]
#26464005 - 02/01/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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wet shrooms maybe?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26464030 - 02/01/20 05:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive found over time it actually takes less to trip as if you get sensitized. Ten years after trying mushrooms my first time i can get great trips from a few grams but maybe they're just way better shrooms
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26464273 - 02/01/20 07:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I kind of think the “heroic dose” 5 g is just more like the sure thing like you are just definitely going to trip if you take this certain amount.
But if you take less you might not which doesn’t mean you can’t just trip that much harder off of one
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Eclipse3130]
#26464398 - 02/01/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Eclipse3130 said:
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Nature Boy said: The obvious answer is that your mushrooms lack potency, and that your "10 gram trip" amounted to nothing more than an average experience, and your 5 gram trip with low potency shrooms was therefore a complete disappointment.


If you're wanting to trip again immediately after 10 grams.. you either got absolutely nothing from the experience(weak) it would make sense, since you said you got nothing from the 5 grams and/or are using them for the wrong reasons
i was watching 2001: space odyssey and the end scene when he went through the stargate made me want to trip, so i did.
i think its still the best visual representation of a trip
i got plenty out of the 10g trip,. where is this rule written that you have to study the entrails of your trip for months before you dare go again?
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: nooneman]
#26464403 - 02/01/20 10:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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nooneman said: Nope, you're broken forever now and can never use a lower dose ever again 
I think OP is talking wet grams not dry. And/or it's a multispore grow that's weak. And/or he's on meds or just a hard head. Take your pick.
Dry grams. The multiple tubs used to grow them were inoculated with the same spawn jar. The dried mushrooms were mixed up and put in jars.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26464410 - 02/01/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Korean Jesus said: wet shrooms maybe?
nope
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26464581 - 02/02/20 02:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: psysearch]
#26464596 - 02/02/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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psysearch said:
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
interesting hypothesis. i normally consume a rehydrate pack before i trip...to ensure all the electrolytes are at optimal levels. i didn't this time.
i have never lost sensitivity before. maybe it was just an anomaly, or prep for the next trip by loosening something slightly
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26464639 - 02/02/20 04:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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All other things about integration and so on aside: The fact that you have that constant "brain pressure" since your 10g trip (or has it been there before?) and that the 5g didn't do much for you is a strong sign from my point of view, that you should try a longer break of at least a few months.
If there wasn't any discontentment with your recent mushroom experiences this thread wouldn't even exist.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26464777 - 02/02/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said:
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psysearch said:
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SimpleSimon said: I eat almost no carbs
It could be this, at least for me it would be the case as if I don't eat carbs then I don't fully trip.
I'm also the same as a couple of other members in this thread in that, tolerance aside, rather than losing sensitivity after a big dose I have an increased sensitivity.
interesting hypothesis. i normally consume a rehydrate pack before i trip...to ensure all the electrolytes are at optimal levels. i didn't this time.
i have never lost sensitivity before. maybe it was just an anomaly, or prep for the next trip by loosening something slightly
I couldn't rule out a mega dose creating some long term tolerance, the 'no carb' just rang a bell as I’ve experimented with low-carb and repeated it a few times, where I wouldn't be fully tripping unless I had eaten carbs the night before or ate some during the trip to increase the effects. If that is the case it’s easy enough to test - if it’s weaker than it should be drink some OJ, eat a mango or a potato etc. Just be warned that it can be like going from barely tripping to tripping very hard in a short period of time!
I think the brains demand for glucose increases on psychedelics and for some people gluconeogenesis can’t keep up. With low-carb growing in popularity I thought there would be many more reports, I guess it could depend on the person and how well their brain adapts to not using carbohydrates as it's primary source of fuel.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: psysearch] 1
#26464797 - 02/02/20 07:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The time dilation you experience during tripping, I believe, is because of the speed of your thinking. You are thinking so many thoughts, sometimes in parallel, in such a short space of time, that time actually does slow down relative to you. Now the brain is already a real hungry organ, which incidentally can only be fuelled by glucose, so imagine the brain’s energy demands while tripping.
I have type 1 diabetes, so have to watch my blood sugars carefully. Although I fast for about 6 hours before a trip, I always rinse my tea glass out with OJ - gets rid of the taste, and gives me enough glucose for about 4 hours. My trips are only ever poor due to mushroom genetics, not lack of glucose in my blood and muscles. 👍🏻
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26464935 - 02/02/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If your eating habits are so shit you have electrolyte packs to get back to normal levels I would start there as the tripping culprit. And eat some fucking carbs.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26465057 - 02/02/20 10:34 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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A 10 gram trip should not affect your ability to trip at 5 grams, as long as you give enough time for tolerance to pass. Back when I was doing a lot of shroom trips I did several strong trips 10 grams and above. After that phase of experimentaion I settled back at 7 grams as my standard dosage. Those big trips did nothing to diminish the power of future trips. They just helped to educate me as to what dosage level worked best for me.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26465238 - 02/02/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SimpleSimon said: how dare you insinuate that my mushrooms lack potency 
i took the 10 grams with another person who has been on many trips (they had an equal dose), they vouched for the virility of the fungi.
lest not further question the glory of my grow.
If you've got fully isolated strains that's true. But if you've got something that throws different fruits it could account for it, assuming they were 100 g monsters and dried down to 10 g each. Or your drying method could be reducing potency, or even your storage. The improbable must be the explanation, as Holmes said... 
But seriously you've only got one "low" dose try after that and mushrooms can be damn fickle - especially if they're trying to teach you some kind of lesson for whatever reason.
They can turn on you and then even though everything seems exactly the same - dosage, set, setting, still basically nothing happens. Like they're thumbing their nose at you and saying who's really in charge here. OTOH you can do what you expect is a low end dose and get catapulted into infinite duration hyperspace until your mind bleeds.
All in the nature of the experience.
If I were you though, and I had a blended harvest same as the 10 g, I'd skip the 5 g experiment and just do 10 g again. Only way to be sure.
Everybody's different. Maybe add some carbs to the diet though. Your liver function might be compromised, resulting in poor conversion of psilocybin to psilocin, or just excessive excretion of the precursor before it even gets active.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: bodhisatta]
#26468317 - 02/04/20 11:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If your eating habits are so shit you have electrolyte packs to get back to normal levels I would start there as the tripping culprit. And eat some fucking carbs.
i regularly fast 16 hours a day, with a couple of days during the week where this is not done. my eating habits are really good, i don't consume refined carbohydrates...you know...its a good thing.
i started the electrolyte habit because i would trip on a sunday after sauna. i do eat a few gummy bears and some chocolate during the trip...because i can see the need for it.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: djitin]
#26468481 - 02/04/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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djitin said: All other things about integration and so on aside: The fact that you have that constant "brain pressure" since your 10g trip (or has it been there before?) and that the 5g didn't do much for you is a strong sign from my point of view, that you should try a longer break of at least a few months.
If there wasn't any discontentment with your recent mushroom experiences this thread wouldn't even exist.
nah mate, sometimes you just want the light show and love.
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: PrimalSoup]
#26468488 - 02/04/20 12:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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PrimalSoup said:
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SimpleSimon said: how dare you insinuate that my mushrooms lack potency 
i took the 10 grams with another person who has been on many trips (they had an equal dose), they vouched for the virility of the fungi.
lest not further question the glory of my grow.
If you've got fully isolated strains that's true. But if you've got something that throws different fruits it could account for it, assuming they were 100 g monsters and dried down to 10 g each. Or your drying method could be reducing potency, or even your storage. The improbable must be the explanation, as Holmes said... 
But seriously you've only got one "low" dose try after that and mushrooms can be damn fickle - especially if they're trying to teach you some kind of lesson for whatever reason.
They can turn on you and then even though everything seems exactly the same - dosage, set, setting, still basically nothing happens. Like they're thumbing their nose at you and saying who's really in charge here. OTOH you can do what you expect is a low end dose and get catapulted into infinite duration hyperspace until your mind bleeds.
All in the nature of the experience.
If I were you though, and I had a blended harvest same as the 10 g, I'd skip the 5 g experiment and just do 10 g again. Only way to be sure.
Everybody's different. Maybe add some carbs to the diet though. Your liver function might be compromised, resulting in poor conversion of psilocybin to psilocin, or just excessive excretion of the precursor before it even gets active. 
yeah, toss that 5g idea and go straight back to 10g. Eat some sugar, to get some sugar in the next dimension 
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Re: After 10 grams, can you go back to a lower dose? [Re: SimpleSimon]
#26468780 - 02/04/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Complex carbs please. 
Note that some people report they get more sensitive. Others report the opposite. Brain chemistry is complicated, and it depends on body chemistry and body function as well. I've always found high CV fitness correlates well with tripping...
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