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OfflineKizzle
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro] * 1
    #26462269 - 01/31/20 02:40 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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I've been growing cubes for 10 years, but something keeps bugging me. Sterilization. A cows gut is very not sterile. And thats where cubes spores begin growing when not in Brads closet in Eugene.

So what gives? How can a cube spore get an upper hand in a cow gut, and be so frail to bacterial and trich in Brads sterilite.

Aaaaaaand where can I read more on this, and does anyone have thoughts on the matter?

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You know the first time I used WBS I made it way too wet. The jars after a few days after being sterilized and inoculated smelled horrendous, almost like death. I set them aside, outdoorsish until I could get to cleaning them out properly. It was at least a few weeks later I went out to find they had dried out, the odor was gone and there even mushroom mycelium growing in one. Which I then rather foolishly decided to scoop out and tried to fruit... and succeeded. The lesson is anaerobic bacteria stops being a competitor in aerobic conditions. A cow's gut is filled with anaerobic bacteria, but conditions change and they die off, then something else takes over and then dies off as the conditions change, and something else takes over, until there's everything is broken down. So the manure goes through different stages of decay and mushrooms, under the right circumstances, will eventually find themselves in perfect growing conditions for a time where they can grow better than anything else.


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Kizzle]
    #26462349 - 01/31/20 03:37 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

thats a really cool way of thinking of it. and pretty complex to mimic. but really cool.


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
    #26462505 - 01/31/20 05:10 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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All that methane gas must not feed the bugs we run into in our 20% oxygen atmosphere...

Also...




Are you saying that you don't think you will see bugs on shit?




No I would think that the methane atmosphere in the cows gut would be kind of like a barrier to certain types of bacteria that flourish in an oxygen atmosphere which may help the spores not being attacked in the gut for whatever reason...


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tramalot] * 1
    #26462547 - 01/31/20 05:35 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Well said Kizzle.

Iโ€™ve always wanted a baby cow just so it can shit out manure cakes all over the place. ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ„


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tramalot] * 1
    #26462549 - 01/31/20 05:36 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Well said Kizzle.

Iโ€™ve always wanted a baby cow just so it can shit out manure cakes all over the place. ๐Ÿ’ฉ๐Ÿ„


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tramalot]
    #26462684 - 01/31/20 07:02 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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tramalot said:
All that methane gas must not feed the bugs we run into in our 20% oxygen atmosphere...

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Are you saying that you don't think you will see bugs on shit?




No I would think that the methane atmosphere in the cows gut would be kind of like a barrier to certain types of bacteria that flourish in an oxygen atmosphere which may help the spores not being attacked in the gut for whatever reason...




This is why I have a testing theory about using Potasium Metabisulfite during your grain soak to create an anaerobic environment to pre-sterilize grains during the soak and dry cycle. I wonder if it would create a... pre  OK I don't know what it would do, but it sounds cool so lets run with it. I will try this weekend. My 3 year old scrapped spores from the fruiting tray I used are almost ready for T3 on agar.


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26462696 - 01/31/20 07:18 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Forget cows guts, just eat a cap daily and take all your shits in the yard.  :goodluck:


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: cronicr]
    #26462758 - 01/31/20 07:53 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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cubes are coprophiluos fungi or dung lovers. This means the spores thick walled and when eaten the enzymes in the herbivores stomach helps break down these walls allowing them to germinate later unlike it's competitors. this is why nums plan didn't work and why they flourish in nature




can you go into a little more detail on how to be successful next time? i am thinking about doing an outside grow in my garden.


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: numnum59]
    #26462764 - 01/31/20 07:58 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

If you live in PNW and have patience try some Cyans or wood lovers. If you live in the deep South you can try using spent subs as a mulch and cover with leaves during the wet season. You will get better results outside if you can control the weather. Shamman that shit.


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
    #26462767 - 01/31/20 08:02 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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If you live in PNW and have patience try some Cyans or wood lovers. If you live in the deep South you can try using spent subs as a mulch and cover with leaves during the wet season. You will get better results outside if you can control the weather. Shamman that shit.




more or less something i would just like to add to the corner of my garden. i have however seen some monster cubes from an outdoor manure/ straw grow. would love to be able to eat "one" shroom one day and trip balls :P


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: numnum59]
    #26462848 - 01/31/20 09:46 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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would love to be able to eat "one" shroom one day and trip balls :P




grow indoors


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: SynKyd]
    #26462856 - 01/31/20 09:54 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Forget cows guts, just eat a cap daily and take all your shits in the yard.  :goodluck:




someone on a vegan diet try it :mushroom2:


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: C12ShroomMan]
    #26462868 - 01/31/20 10:19 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)



Speaking of growing on ppl-poo anyone seen meaculpa? Thought for sure he was down to try ;-}>
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
    #26462875 - 01/31/20 10:23 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Speaking of growing on ppl-poo anyone seen meaculpa? Thought for sure he was down to try ;-}>
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Hes no longer with us. Banned.


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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
    #26462877 - 01/31/20 10:24 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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There  are folks that are really promoting Black Kow... but thats just expanding the spawn. Its the spawn itself that seems like the craziest frontier.

Imagine if one could time the cube spore thick coating to be, say 48 hours... and one was to put it in a beer mash two days before it when out in the alley hopper, and cooled to 70f, killing all the yeast. then boom. (I doubt any of this would work, but I think exactly zero cube growers don't get excited when they see spent grains outside a brewery.)



Black kow is fucking wack. Buy powdered manure from shroom supply.


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