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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26453736 - 01/26/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Ah, the magic of Adderall.



Delusions of grandeur are the best delusions.  :rollsafe:



But of course!  No question I'm either seriously batshit crazy, or am really good with complex systems that interact non-linearly...



Or neither one of those is the case and you just have some sort of pathological narcissism about you.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: chibiabos]
    #26453837 - 01/26/20 04:28 PM (4 years, 21 days ago)

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Ah, the magic of Adderall.



Delusions of grandeur are the best delusions.  :rollsafe:



But of course!  No question I'm either seriously batshit crazy, or am really good with complex systems that interact non-linearly...



Or neither one of those is the case and you just have some sort of pathological narcissism about you.



Truth exists independent of ego, and no-one who tries to be cool is.  The ones 'trying to save the world' never get any further than the ones 'trying to reconcile QM and Relativity'...  I tried to understand.  It worked out.  I'm a geek sharing my notes.  You have a problem with this why, precisely?  You are certainly welcome to dispute any perspective I hold, but otherwise I do believe where you can shove your protest is fairly clear to you.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26454527 - 01/27/20 05:47 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

You might want to have a psychiatric consultation.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: TIS87]
    #26454807 - 01/27/20 09:13 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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You might want to have a psychiatric consultation.



Last one I dated told me any psychological work-up on me that she did would probably be more indicative of her than me.  Not to mention you're awfully cute for someone incapable of refuting a word said.


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Limitations of Mathematics: [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26454833 - 01/27/20 09:28 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

In order for any complexity to arise in any system there simply must exist fundamental relationships.  Mathematics is, of course, the language of relationships.  The complexity of our universe necessarily arises out of mathematical relationships, however our universe is comprised of more than relationships; its structure extends beyond the realms of math.

The Copenhagen Interpretation of quantum mechanics, Holographic Universe principals, and all other notions akin to “all properties of the universe are mathematical in nature” display profound misunderstandings about the capacity and nature of mathematics, as well as its relationship to physics.  Such musings are novel but it’s not physics; it’s rhetoric, intractable abstraction.  [relationships having relationships, with relationships?  ...and that covers it huh? smh; dafuq]  Mathematics is an expression [indulgence] of relationships.    Mathematics alone is not capable of possessing the properties observed within our universe.  The photoelectric effect and culmination of other nuances within our realm demand inherent structure. 

To demonstrate a point, the question “what is gravity?” amounts to a purely scientific inquiry.  That’s a 100% scientific question.  Unfortunately, we’re never gonna get a scientific answer out of that, directly.  All we can do with science is explain the relationships; how it works, interacts, evolves, relates. -those things are defined.  We can then take that understanding, culminate it into a model, and infer such and such out of it…physics isn’t gonna tell us everything directly, can’t.    The structure of particles is no different; we can answer a lot of things, but the universe has no classification for a sample of it.  Science just connects the dots for us; the picture we get out of it is slightly removed from what pure science can tell us.    Know how philosophy is an integral part of science? -that’s why!    The universe CAN’T define certain things for us; Mother Nature is a physicist not a philosopher, and “what is” is philosophy.    Running out of definitions the universe can offer us is not running out of things to define.    Translating that circumstance into “it’s all math” is remedial.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: TIS87]
    #26455215 - 01/27/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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You might want to have a psychiatric consultation.



At least he isn't compulsively hammering out blocks of word salad about how the Jews want to send him off to the local Kaiser Permanente in order to be castrated.  I really hope that that guy is getting help.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: chibiabos]
    #26455239 - 01/27/20 01:46 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

“Mother Nature is a physicist not a philosopher...”

:rofl2: That’s a philosophical statement though


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26455278 - 01/27/20 02:04 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

The secret of change is to focus all of your energy,
not on fighting the old, but on building the new.

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“Mother Nature is a physicist not a philosopher...”

:rofl2: That’s a philosophical statement though



Aye.  That's what's great about philosophy: its breadth and depth...hard to escape.


Edited by Rift Zone (01/27/20 02:07 PM)


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: chibiabos]
    #26459376 - 01/29/20 11:50 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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...Or neither one of those is the case and you just have some sort of pathological narcissism about you.




The question is why post all this stuff, (about black holes, etc.) here?
If the aim was to sound smart, without the risk of testing it with experts in the field, then indeed the risk was avoided, but the notion of impressing folks, seems to have repeatedly flopped.
All that remains is to attempt to save face, by drifting into vague philosophical abstractions, which is a game, most anyone here can play.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: laughingdog]
    #26461901 - 01/31/20 10:34 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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...Or neither one of those is the case and you just have some sort of pathological narcissism about you.




The question is why post all this stuff, (about black holes, etc.) here?
If the aim was to sound smart, without the risk of testing it with experts in the field, then indeed the risk was avoided, but the notion of impressing folks, seems to have repeatedly flopped.
All that remains is to attempt to save face, by drifting into vague philosophical abstractions, which is a game, most anyone here can play.




"Experts" of the field are no better equipped to argue against these notions than anyone here is.  ...that's kinda the point: the system is screwed, and we all know it.  The "system" in question includes modern science -they actively support demonstrably wrong scriptural geophysics and cosmology.  Seeing as how these works are a threat to the system in a number of ways, I'm going to have go above the heads of "authority" on this one and bring the facts directly to the people, hence this post.

sound smart?  you mean like this?

We have linear thinkers among us… (2D) They process information much like a formal logical structure: by line item. They’re fully capable of coming to know complicated systems, thus forming their 2D picture, but it is a somewhat tedious process and things do get lost in translation.

The bright people of the world are the “systems thinkers”, 3D. They take in more than a line item at time. They’re able to see how entire systems work, understanding the nuances at play. More so than just a “picture”, they can see into it and readily understand the nature of the system in fundamental ways.

There are also 4Ds; it’s simulation capacity. Are you familiar with Fermat’s Last Theorem? Euler’s Identity, and the profusion of his works? Gauss? How about Relativity? Einstein’s “thought experiments” were physics simulations, literally! -pretty good ones. All of those things and most other profound innovations humanity has produced throughout the ages came from 4Ds. Operating within existing parameters will keep you there. Such innovations never pop out of existing equations. They have to know it, they have to understand it; they saw it: how it works, interacts, evolves, relates, they saw it. In very pure and intimate ways, they saw it; they generated it. Of course, the vast majority of humans can draw up and run scenarios in their minds, but only these guys are doing it in strict accordance to mathematical and physical law. The world’s best computers are still organic; we’re quantum, of course we’re gonna smoke chips for a good while longer. 4Ds are what humanity calls genius; that’s what it is, that’s how it works.

The linear scale of IQ is fairly informative for 2 and 3Ds, however, that type of classification quickly breaks down concerning 4Ds. The most you can really distinguish between 4Ds is how it manifests. The path it takes could amount to intimate command of mathematical equations. -Stephen Hawking was this type of genius; his gift was manipulating equations. He worked as a physicist but his gift was more mathematical in nature. There are also those with excellent command of mathematical structure; they’re walking 3blue1brown YouTube channels: translating mathematical expression into mathematical structure, that they can then manipulate. -Here is where we find the likes of Fermat, Gauss, Euler… Humanity’s math is symbolism, those guys work with the real thing! Closely related to mathematical structure but still distinct enough to warrant its own category is physical structure. Here are our pros with reconciling observation with mathematics: Einstein, Feynman, Faraday… Symphonic would be another path, as would Michelangelo type artistry. There are many paths. Newton stands as one of the bright ones of that crowd only because his gifts manifested in both mathematical and structural ways, enabling him to cross reference. Da Vinci was cool like that too: multiple paths.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26461922 - 01/31/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

“I’m so much smarter than physicists that they would never understand what I’m talking about. So I came to a psychonaut forum”


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: feldman114]
    #26461938 - 01/31/20 10:58 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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“I’m so much smarter than physicists that they would never understand what I’m talking about. So I came to a psychonaut forum”



Oh they understand alright...they know precisely where they and I stand in relation to genuine science.  There is absolutely no benefit for them to engage me on any level -gonna have to corner them...I'll handle that soon as I get enough students on the case, or sooner if I catch a break. 

I didn't ask for mine anymore than you asked for yours.  You can take what I am and what comes of it up with Mother Nature.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26461945 - 01/31/20 11:04 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

So what do they gain by pretending black holes are real?
It was my understanding that it’s a pretty competitive field where everyone is trying to get ahead, not conspiring with each other.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: feldman114]
    #26461967 - 01/31/20 11:20 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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So what do they gain by pretending black holes are real?
It was my understanding that it’s a pretty competitive field where everyone is trying to get ahead, not conspiring with each other.



lines of research are funded by politics.  The very same politics ran by the oligarchy who likes fucking off everything around them...  So what happens in academia is you do research within prevailing paradigm or you don't have a job.period.  ...and progress within existing paradigm is of course rewarded.  That would be fine and dandy, except mother nature tells very different stories, while modern physics/cosmology is telling bible stories (geophysics too: bible stories.  The problem there involves another aspect of the system: religion/spirituality, as outlined here: https://rift.zone ; It's a huge mess, the way the world is, but I did manage to make some sense of it, and I'm trying to share.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26461974 - 01/31/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

You’re saying every scientist who has a job is in on the conspiracy? And the only payoff is holding down said job?

Sorry, it’s just not coming together in my feeble brain.

Have you tried engaging the scientific community? I honestly think you’d get answers to why those discrepancies make sense. Otherwise, you will have documented evidence of them denying it without proof.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: feldman114]
    #26461995 - 01/31/20 11:48 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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You’re saying every scientist who has a job is in on the conspiracy? And the only payoff is holding down said job?

Sorry, it’s just not coming together in my feeble brain.

Have you tried engaging the scientific community? I honestly think you’d get answers to why those discrepancies make sense. Otherwise, you will have documented evidence of them denying it without proof.



I'm saying anyone with an advanced education is well aware of how fast a notion/individual can be swept under the rug when the hierarchy so deems it. 

The physics portion of the site is https://rift.zone/nova
The OP is a small part of the conversation involving physics.  and the rest of the site is likewise science: derived exclusively from the properties of humanity, the universe, and how we interact.  The whole site is verifiable.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26462013 - 01/31/20 11:56 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

So I read the “LIGHT” one and I gotta be honest - it’s SOO over my head lol

That said, I don’t see how any of it contradicts accepted science. Light acts like a wave and a particle, right? The only controversy is the suggestion that matter is made of “light, lots of it.” But I can’t find ANY explanation for the duality elsewhere. It’s one of the biggest modern mysteries of science, it would seem.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: feldman114]
    #26462242 - 01/31/20 02:15 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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So I read the “LIGHT” one and I gotta be honest - it’s SOO over my head lol

That said, I don’t see how any of it contradicts accepted science. Light acts like a wave and a particle, right? The only controversy is the suggestion that matter is made of “light, lots of it.” But I can’t find ANY explanation for the duality elsewhere. It’s one of the biggest modern mysteries of science, it would seem.




The "light" one...must be the one on "time"... yea, about light, structure of particles.  Yea well, QM, that's how it rolls.
The distinctions are touched upon on the bottom of the page.  We know light is a "particle" thanks to Einstein's photoelectric effect.  We also describe it well with waveforms, hence the duality.  However, that's about as far as modern science takes it.  It really doesn't approach making a sensical model out of it as Nova does.  Part of the reason why is certain interpretations of certain things along the way: like the Copenhagen interpretation of QM being the most popular, but cannot be so, as explained in the "limitations of mathematics" post on the Nova page of the site.  So some of it does amount to direct contradiction.  It's all heavily nuanced.  There are some other rather glaring divergences: explaining gamma ray bursts, antimatter and its 'problem', as well as re-structuring "space-time".  No worries if you don't see all of it, we all have our own interests; and as much as I love mycology, i figure all y'all would out-geek me on that one.  =)


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: Rift Zone]
    #26462377 - 01/31/20 03:56 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

-_-could you please summarize your theory into a few sentences.


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Re: Black Holes Do Not Exist! [Re: ellomello]
    #26462497 - 01/31/20 05:07 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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-_-could you please summarize your theory into a few sentences.



Which one?  OP?
It redefines ‘nova’ to mean change of state within Schwarzschild radius from particles into pure energy, as we would expect from mixing matter and antimatter: poof!  It says when the conditions arise that "should" create black holes, it actually creates nova instead.


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