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What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines?
    #26461363 - 01/31/20 01:39 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

Bio-mechanical time machines that don't travel backwards or forwards through time like in the movies (back to the future etc. ). 

But bio-mechanical time machines in the sense of travelling through the accumulated experience of it within ones lifetime.

An old man has been through far more time than a toddler, and had the time to gather experience and become of what he may.


I even want to take a step back from this and hear some constructive criticism on why this is even a far fetched suggestion?
Because to me it's a sensible thing; A bio-mechanical time machine as a descriptor of human beings and their experience of the world outside and within.



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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26461631 - 01/31/20 06:52 AM (4 years, 17 days ago)

mind can jump time by association.

mind is based on brain.

brain is biophysical and subject to the passage of time in a time-space-continuum as are all physical things in that continuum.

so yeah.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26461921 - 01/31/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 16 days ago)

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Bio-mechanical time machines that don't travel backwards or forwards through time like in the movies (back to the future etc. ). 

But bio-mechanical time machines in the sense of travelling through the accumulated experience of it within ones lifetime.

An old man has been through far more time than a toddler, and had the time to gather experience and become of what he may.


I even want to take a step back from this and hear some constructive criticism on why this is even a far fetched suggestion?
Because to me it's a sensible thing; A bio-mechanical time machine as a descriptor of human beings and their experience of the world outside and within.





.  Well you asked for some some constructive criticism -- seems you confuse memory with time travel. "Real time travel" into the past would be exact, and a 3 dimensional experience, and memory is neither. Memory is both inaccurate, biased, and subject to suggestion and so on -- lots of scientific studies on this, and of course it's not 3-D, as when 'recorded' one had only one specific view point, etc.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26462166 - 01/31/20 01:25 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Why is travelling through memory and prediction not time travel?

Memory is not always innacurate, have you never remembered something accurately?


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26462438 - 01/31/20 04:30 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

close
reconstruction with deceptive accuracy


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26462507 - 01/31/20 05:11 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Even if a memory isn't perfect, that doesn't mean there's no legitimacy to memory.

I may not remember all the specifics of yesterday but I can travel back to certain moments with enough clarity to consider it time travel.

I mean there's time travel in the movies which is where your body or car or machine goes back or forward in time with you, introducing paradoxes and all the likes. But I don't see why this should be considered the norm in regard to time travel.

My mind can go back in time, and I can make predictions of the future, and as far as I'm concerned, in these regards, that makes me a sort of bio-mechanical time machine.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26462543 - 01/31/20 05:32 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

Well you asked for some some constructive criticism ...
you can have your view & I can have mine

but it seems to me the words 'memory' & 'time travel' refer to different 'things' for a good reason.

"Memory is not always innacurate" but it often is, and who knows? you might find the scientific studies interesting, in the event you might feel like doing a little research.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26462690 - 01/31/20 07:05 PM (4 years, 16 days ago)

'Real' time travel seems to be the issue here.

I also asked why travelling through memories isn't time travel and you seemed to go around that.

Again, memory doesn't have to be completely accurate to be considered time travel.

If there is any accurate memory, that memory when visited, in my view can be considered as time travel.

Point being, memory being innacurate at times doesn't matter in this regard of time travel.

Maybe cognizant time travel is terminology some would prefer?
But my mind can travel back through time and that my dear shroomerites is time travel.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26463554 - 02/01/20 12:11 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

"But my mind can travel back through time and that my dear shroomerites is time travel."

Assuming this is a good way to describe your experience, what advantage does it give you over, those folks who might simply say: "At times I enjoy my memories?"


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26463629 - 02/01/20 12:54 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

does one travel in one's self, or does one's memory merely change its active conformation so as to light up a scene reconstructed from the past impressions - it feels lie we went there, because what we are feeling (what we are) is that 'recollected' scene.

it is interesting to me that to recall can mean to call again, and to recollect, means to bring together the pieces again, the call is the trigger to recollect the pieces thus reassembling a scene.

actual time travel will probably affect physical fields like gravity.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26463653 - 02/01/20 01:06 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

.    There is also a big difference between, re-living a  past event, and remembering a past event,
as therapists that deal with trauma, rebirthers, hypnotists, holotropic breath workers, those with PTSD, and so on, well know.
.    Compared to re-living a  past event,  remembering is a pale shadow.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26463920 - 02/01/20 03:55 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

exactly,
the difference between a flash recollection and immersed living in the event's memory is in the amount of associative linkages that might keep the first flash of memory front and center as related associations are recollected reflexively.

with trauma, there is a lot of linkage material, often a number of horrible feelings are linked to the trauma event and the suffering that followed it.
when these feelings are remembered, they can take hold in the body: tensions and other body responses to the trauma can resume.

rarely, the emotional impact is so strong, that a hallucinogenic or deliriant kind of state will transport the suffering person right into the reconstructed world of key traumatic events.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26464480 - 02/01/20 11:47 PM (4 years, 15 days ago)

I feel you're positing a completely unnecessary conjecture/speculation.

Time is not a medium we travel through. It's a mental abstraction completely dependent upon a conscious observer first and foremost. There is no "time" except in your head. Useful for daily life and planning, absolutely. You get into all sorts of trouble when you start treating time as something we move through, however.

What you just said is essentially a roundabout and unnecessary way of saying we are anchored to the present but have memories of past and can project assumptions about the future.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: laughingdog]
    #26466213 - 02/03/20 02:46 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

@laughingdog
When you say you like peanut butter and jelly, it doesn't give justice to the processes that have made it.

When someone says, "at times I enjoy my memories", that's fine, but it doesn't look at the bigger picture.

I too at times enjoy my memories, at the same time I've also come to appreciate more accurate descriptions of worldy details.

@RGV
An engram is like a blue print of memory, they in this scenario would be the input settings for a bio-mechanical time machine, the coordinates for a memorable event.

@Loaded Sh
We are anchored to the present yet act like and experience the phenomena of time travel.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26466246 - 02/03/20 04:12 AM (4 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

sudly said:@RGV
An engram is like a blue print of memory, they in this scenario would be the input settings for a bio-mechanical time machine, the coordinates for a memorable event. …


.
in this case the map and the place is the same. the engram when excited is the remembering, that it can also be mapped (someday by fast imaging computers etc.) is important to neuropsychologists. when not excited it is part of the brain fabric.
when ever it flashes, and for the flash duration the memory is experienced.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26466693 - 02/03/20 11:44 AM (4 years, 13 days ago)

it can make lives like video games with virtual reality

salvia space

ideal

or perfect

anything positive

shrooms combines with oral dmt and smoked dmt (which was some of the best time of my life)

end of murder error and destruction


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
    #26468567 - 02/04/20 01:51 PM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

sudly said:
Bio-mechanical time machines that don't travel backwards or forwards through time like in the movies (back to the future etc. ). 

But bio-mechanical time machines in the sense of travelling through the accumulated experience of it within ones lifetime.

An old man has been through far more time than a toddler, and had the time to gather experience and become of what he may.


I even want to take a step back from this and hear some constructive criticism on why this is even a far fetched suggestion?
Because to me it's a sensible thing; A bio-mechanical time machine as a descriptor of human beings and their experience of the world outside and within.






Your framing is correct.
Your reference to 'time machine' muddles a more significant framing.

Quote:

Loaded Shaman said:
What you just said is essentially a roundabout and unnecessary way of saying we are anchored to the present but have memories of past and can project assumptions about the future.




Exactly..

OP don't muddle something you already understand/grasp with frivolous terminology.
You're correct. Now remove :
> time machine
> time travel
They're convoluted and silly terms. This concept isn't even possible from a 'physics' perspective. The concept of 'time travel' is the result of a dated lack of science/understanding. We have understanding now and this concept is a silly meme.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26469504 - 02/05/20 12:18 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Lime travel than; I'm talking of mind travel.

So you're fine with bio-mechanical I think. 

But how do you feel about lime travel?


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: sudly]
    #26469533 - 02/05/20 12:47 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Mind travel is easy and done by tons of people without much effort.
To higher degrees it requires lots of awareness/knowledge/wisdom.

You can't time travel physically. It's essentially impossible with current technology and even science.
You don't 'time travel' in your mind either.. you simply visit banked memory from the past...
and project into the future or focus on the present. Less pseudo/spoopy terms and more reality which is magical in and of itself.


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Re: What if we are like bio-mechanical time machines? [Re: r00tcmplx]
    #26469545 - 02/05/20 01:01 AM (4 years, 12 days ago)

Quote:

r00tcmplx said:
Mind travel is easy and done by tons of people without much effort.
To higher degrees it requires lots of awareness/knowledge/wisdom.

You can't time travel physically. It's essentially impossible with current technology and even science.
You don't 'time travel' in your mind either.. you simply visit banked memory from the past...
and project into the future or focus on the present. Less pseudo/spoopy terms and more reality which is magical in and of itself.




Visiting banked memory doesn't do it for me soz.



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