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Could it be a subspecies???
    #26461677 - 01/31/20 07:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

First of all, Im in South Louisiana, and they appear to be Ps. Cubensis, but the area (open pastures) are fruiting is taking place at 40-60 degrees. One day that I harvested was actually the day after we had nearly freezing temps. The fields I normally go to (at 80-100 degrees) are bare, and these areas are usually bare during the higher temps. I was hoping someone could shed some light on this for me.


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461689 - 01/31/20 07:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

You say they appear to be P. cubensis - the key question is then - do you have pictures of them?

Additional questions are - do they grow directly from dung, do they have an
annulus, do they have purple brown spores and not least - do they bruise blue?

If it is indeed P. cubensis, you have to clone them, probably some wiley genetics if they can fruit at such low temps.

But again, pics, pics, pics!


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26461725 - 01/31/20 08:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

These are my cold weather cubes




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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461738 - 01/31/20 08:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461740 - 01/31/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, that looks promising I'd say. :cool:

As I said, you should clone them.:stoned:


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26461749 - 01/31/20 08:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

the only cube I have heard of like this is the "d'oh Canada" variety


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461750 - 01/31/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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the only cube I have heard of like this is the "d'oh Canada" variety




Please elaborate. I'm completely in the dark here.


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26461753 - 01/31/20 08:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It's a variety that caters to areas that experience freezing temps. Several spore syringe sellers sell it


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461793 - 01/31/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

After a quick google search, the little I can find on it seems questionable to me - no reports on
cultivation, and an old discussion in the cultivation forum with suspicions about it being a scam.

Anyway, your find is interesting, I think you should at least give it a try.


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26461804 - 01/31/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

no experience cloning but I can def get some prints and probably make a syringe or 2 while I brush up on cloning methods


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461807 - 01/31/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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no experience cloning but I can def get some prints and probably make a syringe or 2 while I brush up on cloning methods




Cloning is simple - in a sterilized environment you cut open a stem and cut out a little piece of tissue which
you then place on an agar plate. For better guidance on how to do this, check in the cultivation forum.
Growing from spore prints will be useless if you want to pass on the genetics of these particular specimens, as far as I know.

Check this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12032286


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26461910 - 01/31/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the info. I'll check the link out and I'll look at a couple youtube videos. I'll keep you guys posted on the progress


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26461943 - 01/31/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

here are some I harvested while it was 40 degrees outside



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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: sunbaked82]
    #26462185 - 01/31/20 01:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

In my experience the shrooms move around and grow in different spots depending on the conditions especially temperature.  Those look like good cubes too
Nice find
There could be some on one side of the field in the summer and some on the other side in the winter.
Summer is more plentiful with mostly larger cubensis and more pan cyans or fall
While winter there are heavier shorter cubes that are just very hardy and healthy looking but you probably aren’t going to find as much. 

I guess you didn’t find any in the summer but you should keep looking
The ones you found look like the typical cold weather cubes that I have been seeing in the South

They get more dense and heavy in the cold weather but aren’t nearly as tall


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Re: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Rangiku]
    #26462210 - 01/31/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Winter cold weather:

Summer hot weather:

See the summer cubes are flimsier but they are taller too

And rain helps the day after Hurricane Barry hit last July I went and found 2 gallon ziplock bags full of cubensis
Also spot closer to the Bayou might do better.  As close as you can find them to the bayou at least if not right next to the bayou
Seems like they don’t grow far from where the gators are


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an uRe: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Rangiku]
    #26463037 - 02/01/20 04:23 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

A couple days ago I joined Sunbaked82 on a visit to a cow pasture that had been quite productive during the normal growing season. We harvested  P cubensis in the second and fifth week of January. In South Louisiana January produced three nights of freezing weather along with more rain than usual. Our average January temp was 53 degrees, which is 4 degrees cooler than average.
In this situation, the "treasure" we harvested does not seem to rotate into other areas of the largely open pasture. One small area receives plenty shade from trees along a fence line, The shady area did not appear to affect the even distribution of growth.
At 52 degrees, following two days of on and off rain, we were searching a waterlogged field that was largely covered by an inch or two of water. Each "treasure" I harvested had sprouted from a dung heap. Some heaps of dung were found to have six "family members", popped up side by side. In many place the dung, only an inch or two above the soaked ground, it provided an island of sorts that kept the "treasure" from being under water.
Almost all the harvest was collected in soggy fresh dung. 
Older piles in various stages of decay, produced very little.
I"m calling it the January Shocker.
Most of what I read indicated January was the wrong month to hunt due to limited daylight hours, night time temps below 32 and soaking rains that flooded the fields.  Whats up with this? Any ideas?


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Re: an uRe: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Don 919]
    #26463101 - 02/01/20 06:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Well, typically compost heaps tend to have a high core temperature. Perhaps that is what has happened with these dung piles? :shrug:


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Re: an uRe: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #26463425 - 02/01/20 10:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Well, typically compost heaps tend to have a high core temperature. Perhaps that is what has happened with these dung piles? :shrug:



temperatures were perfect for cubensis here on the Gulf Coast. People who think cubensis only grow in warm weather are flat wrong, I have been finding them year round for decades with some years better than others. I can't explain why some pastures produce and others don't but I do know that the consistency of the manure seems to have a lot to do with it. I have consistently found cubensis with temperatures reaching in the 30's but they are usually smaller than warm weather mushrooms but waaaaay more potent.

edit: It's the Panaeolus cyanescens that I have been finding recently that has surprised me,  I usually don't see them when temperatures are in the 50's, but I just remembered,  ground temperature is probably higher than expected because the cold snaps haven't lasted.


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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593


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Re: an uRe: Could it be a subspecies??? [Re: Doc9151]
    #26463687 - 02/01/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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temperatures were perfect for cubensis here on the Gulf Coast. People who think cubensis only grow in warm weather are flat wrong, I have been finding them year round for decades with some years better than others. I can't explain why some pastures produce and others don't but I do know that the consistency of the manure seems to have a lot to do with it. I have consistently found cubensis with temperatures reaching in the 30's but they are usually smaller than warm weather mushrooms but waaaaay more potent.

edit: It's the Panaeolus cyanescens that I have been finding recently that has surprised me,  I usually don't see them when temperatures are in the 50's, but I just remembered,  ground temperature is probably higher than expected because the cold snaps haven't lasted.




This is pretty interesting. But yes, optimal fruiting temps obviously don't mean the mushrooms can't appear in either lower or higher temps -
for my own record I've seen liberty caps pop up anywhere from near freeze to 20 celsius. So the condition of the fungal organism itself also
plays an important role, I think.


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