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Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better...
#26460823 - 01/30/20 07:00 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've been growing cubes for 10 years, but something keeps bugging me. Sterilization. A cows gut is very not sterile. And thats where cubes spores begin growing when not in Brads closet in Eugene.
So what gives? How can a cube spore get an upper hand in a cow gut, and be so frail to bacterial and trich in Brads sterilite.
Aaaaaaand where can I read more on this, and does anyone have thoughts on the matter?
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro] 1
#26460842 - 01/30/20 07:13 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Molds are more prevalent with Humans than with cow shit. That doesn't mean that cowshit won't grow molds or bacteria. The human system of controlled environments and closed off systems allows for molds and bacteria and viruses to grow and they are a competing source for nutrients.
Basically there are more mold spores in your house than in Brad's cows ass.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460849 - 01/30/20 07:15 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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In nature there are complex symbiotic relationships between bacteria, fungi, and other organisms that we don't understand yet. Along with very specific growth conditions for some species when growing in nature.
It also is still a game of chance.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460852 - 01/30/20 07:17 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Okay, then if the nutrient is the same... why cant we mimic the cow? Last I checked there wasn't a Presto in a cow, but to be honest, I'm still confused about their chambers.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460868 - 01/30/20 07:21 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Sockadin said: Molds are more prevalent with Humans than with cow shit. That doesn't mean that cowshit won't grow molds or bacteria. The human system of controlled environments and closed off systems allows for molds and bacteria and viruses to grow and they are a competing source for nutrients.
Basically there are more mold spores in your house than in Brad's cows ass.
There aren't more molds in a house than outside. Those molds just have to compete with thousands if not millions of other molds and bacteria just as any other fungi have to. Its not just cubensis mycelium and trichoderma mycelium isolated in one container like what often happens in home cultivation.
Edited by iwh678 (01/30/20 07:22 PM)
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460871 - 01/30/20 07:24 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I've heard of printing on sugar cubes and feeding cattle the cubes to propagate, but I always thought the spores just landed on manure in the wild to propagate themselves I didnt think it was a common occurrence for the cattle or whatever animal to ingest the spores.
Also I think in the wild the mycelium can coexist with other myceliums and molds. I think alot of times in home cultivation they could too we toss before it gets to that point because we dont want all them extra harmful spores in the air. Theres already enough of that.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460875 - 01/30/20 07:24 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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What iwh678 is saying is that there are a lot of beneficial bacteria and conditions that might allow the mycelium to thrive against mold spores in that environment. We do not know what that is and how to replicate those conditions so we Kill EVERYTHING in a presto and try to create the cleanest environment to allows the mycelium to do its job.
Imagine an even playing field for boxers, then imagine tying both boxers hands and feet and giving one boxer a pair of scissors. This is what we attempt to do in cultivation.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: gizmo1]
#26460882 - 01/30/20 07:28 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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gizmo1 said: I've heard of printing on sugar cubes and feeding cattle the cubes to propagate, but I always thought the spores just landed on manure in the wild to propagate themselves I didnt think it was a common occurrence for the cattle or whatever animal to ingest the spores.
Also I think in the wild the mycelium can coexist with other myceliums and molds. I think alot of times in home cultivation they could too we toss before it gets to that point because we dont want all them extra harmful spores in the air. Theres already enough of that.
i tried cultivating a field once, i took a bunch of qt jars with good myc and poured them into cow patties on my buddies farm. nothing ever came from it
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460883 - 01/30/20 07:28 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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I mean, I get it.... why we sterilize. Its just that the cubes really seem to rock the cow patty in faaaar from sterile conditions. This seems to be similar to the concept of pasteurization, which also makes me trip.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460888 - 01/30/20 07:30 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Have wierdos mimicked the temps of a cow for giggles? And tossed some spores in? And maybe constantly massage the grains... maybe listen to some country music.
I guess one couldn't mimic the gut fauna and flora. but maybe we could introduce a few of them....
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460889 - 01/30/20 07:30 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Sockadin said: What iwh678 is saying is that there are a lot of beneficial bacteria and conditions that might allow the mycelium to thrive against mold spores in that environment. We do not know what that is and how to replicate those conditions so we Kill EVERYTHING in a presto and try to create the cleanest environment to allows the mycelium to do its job.
Imagine an even playing field for boxers, then imagine tying both boxers hands and feet and giving one boxer a pair of scissors. This is what we attempt to do in cultivation.
A better analogy would be comparing a 1 vs 1000 game of hungry hungry hippos to a game where you are playing by yourself.
Edited by iwh678 (01/30/20 07:30 PM)
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
#26460920 - 01/30/20 07:48 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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After thinking about this more, the grains in a cow must be completely taken over by the "good" gut microbes. And Cubes must have an agreement with the microbes that everything is chill and they just want the leftovers after the grains have been put out to pasture, literally.
And the "good" gut microbes are in full force when its pooped out, so the mycelia must just quickly take over command of the remaining nutrients. Explains why Cubes can operate at such a wide temperature range.
Cows are 101.5f
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460928 - 01/30/20 07:54 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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cubes are coprophiluos fungi or dung lovers. This means the spores thick walled and when eaten the enzymes in the herbivores stomach helps break down these walls allowing them to germinate later unlike it's competitors. this is why nums plan didn't work and why they flourish in nature
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: cronicr]
#26460937 - 01/30/20 07:57 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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who's nums?
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: numnum59]
#26460943 - 01/30/20 07:59 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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numnum59 said:
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gizmo1 said: I've heard of printing on sugar cubes and feeding cattle the cubes to propagate, but I always thought the spores just landed on manure in the wild to propagate themselves I didnt think it was a common occurrence for the cattle or whatever animal to ingest the spores.
Also I think in the wild the mycelium can coexist with other myceliums and molds. I think alot of times in home cultivation they could too we toss before it gets to that point because we dont want all them extra harmful spores in the air. Theres already enough of that.
i tried cultivating a field once, i took a bunch of qt jars with good myc and poured them into cow patties on my buddies farm. nothing ever came from it 
If kept hydrated they would have grown spores would release n cows would eat them
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460944 - 01/30/20 07:59 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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tedoro said: who's nums?
that guy up there
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... *DELETED* [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460950 - 01/30/20 08:02 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Ahhhh numnum.
Im DumDum
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
#26461046 - 01/30/20 09:03 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Most mold does not grow in fresh air. There may be spores present outside but they aren't competing until they get introduced to a humid stagnant nutritious environment. Stick a loaf of bread outside and stick one on your counter, the one outside is gonna dry out or be eaten while the one on the counter will mold.
I would agree with sockadin that there are more active mold in your house than outside.
Chron- coprophiluos dung-lovers, good name for a band
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
#26461068 - 01/30/20 09:23 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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This is super interesting. Must be why people have success plopping moldy tubs in the yard and get yields they wouldn't have gotten inside.
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