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Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better...
#26460823 - 01/30/20 07:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been growing cubes for 10 years, but something keeps bugging me. Sterilization. A cows gut is very not sterile. And thats where cubes spores begin growing when not in Brads closet in Eugene.
So what gives? How can a cube spore get an upper hand in a cow gut, and be so frail to bacterial and trich in Brads sterilite.
Aaaaaaand where can I read more on this, and does anyone have thoughts on the matter?
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro] 1
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Molds are more prevalent with Humans than with cow shit. That doesn't mean that cowshit won't grow molds or bacteria. The human system of controlled environments and closed off systems allows for molds and bacteria and viruses to grow and they are a competing source for nutrients.
Basically there are more mold spores in your house than in Brad's cows ass.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460849 - 01/30/20 07:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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In nature there are complex symbiotic relationships between bacteria, fungi, and other organisms that we don't understand yet. Along with very specific growth conditions for some species when growing in nature.
It also is still a game of chance.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460852 - 01/30/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Okay, then if the nutrient is the same... why cant we mimic the cow? Last I checked there wasn't a Presto in a cow, but to be honest, I'm still confused about their chambers.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460868 - 01/30/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: Molds are more prevalent with Humans than with cow shit. That doesn't mean that cowshit won't grow molds or bacteria. The human system of controlled environments and closed off systems allows for molds and bacteria and viruses to grow and they are a competing source for nutrients.
Basically there are more mold spores in your house than in Brad's cows ass.
There aren't more molds in a house than outside. Those molds just have to compete with thousands if not millions of other molds and bacteria just as any other fungi have to. Its not just cubensis mycelium and trichoderma mycelium isolated in one container like what often happens in home cultivation.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460871 - 01/30/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've heard of printing on sugar cubes and feeding cattle the cubes to propagate, but I always thought the spores just landed on manure in the wild to propagate themselves I didnt think it was a common occurrence for the cattle or whatever animal to ingest the spores.
Also I think in the wild the mycelium can coexist with other myceliums and molds. I think alot of times in home cultivation they could too we toss before it gets to that point because we dont want all them extra harmful spores in the air. Theres already enough of that.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460875 - 01/30/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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What iwh678 is saying is that there are a lot of beneficial bacteria and conditions that might allow the mycelium to thrive against mold spores in that environment. We do not know what that is and how to replicate those conditions so we Kill EVERYTHING in a presto and try to create the cleanest environment to allows the mycelium to do its job.
Imagine an even playing field for boxers, then imagine tying both boxers hands and feet and giving one boxer a pair of scissors. This is what we attempt to do in cultivation.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: gizmo1]
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gizmo1 said: I've heard of printing on sugar cubes and feeding cattle the cubes to propagate, but I always thought the spores just landed on manure in the wild to propagate themselves I didnt think it was a common occurrence for the cattle or whatever animal to ingest the spores.
Also I think in the wild the mycelium can coexist with other myceliums and molds. I think alot of times in home cultivation they could too we toss before it gets to that point because we dont want all them extra harmful spores in the air. Theres already enough of that.
i tried cultivating a field once, i took a bunch of qt jars with good myc and poured them into cow patties on my buddies farm. nothing ever came from it
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26460883 - 01/30/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I mean, I get it.... why we sterilize. Its just that the cubes really seem to rock the cow patty in faaaar from sterile conditions. This seems to be similar to the concept of pasteurization, which also makes me trip.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460888 - 01/30/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have wierdos mimicked the temps of a cow for giggles? And tossed some spores in? And maybe constantly massage the grains... maybe listen to some country music.
I guess one couldn't mimic the gut fauna and flora. but maybe we could introduce a few of them....
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: What iwh678 is saying is that there are a lot of beneficial bacteria and conditions that might allow the mycelium to thrive against mold spores in that environment. We do not know what that is and how to replicate those conditions so we Kill EVERYTHING in a presto and try to create the cleanest environment to allows the mycelium to do its job.
Imagine an even playing field for boxers, then imagine tying both boxers hands and feet and giving one boxer a pair of scissors. This is what we attempt to do in cultivation.
A better analogy would be comparing a 1 vs 1000 game of hungry hungry hippos to a game where you are playing by yourself.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
#26460920 - 01/30/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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After thinking about this more, the grains in a cow must be completely taken over by the "good" gut microbes. And Cubes must have an agreement with the microbes that everything is chill and they just want the leftovers after the grains have been put out to pasture, literally.
And the "good" gut microbes are in full force when its pooped out, so the mycelia must just quickly take over command of the remaining nutrients. Explains why Cubes can operate at such a wide temperature range.
Cows are 101.5f
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460928 - 01/30/20 07:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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cubes are coprophiluos fungi or dung lovers. This means the spores thick walled and when eaten the enzymes in the herbivores stomach helps break down these walls allowing them to germinate later unlike it's competitors. this is why nums plan didn't work and why they flourish in nature
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: cronicr]
#26460937 - 01/30/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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who's nums?
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: numnum59]
#26460943 - 01/30/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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gizmo1 said: I've heard of printing on sugar cubes and feeding cattle the cubes to propagate, but I always thought the spores just landed on manure in the wild to propagate themselves I didnt think it was a common occurrence for the cattle or whatever animal to ingest the spores.
Also I think in the wild the mycelium can coexist with other myceliums and molds. I think alot of times in home cultivation they could too we toss before it gets to that point because we dont want all them extra harmful spores in the air. Theres already enough of that.
i tried cultivating a field once, i took a bunch of qt jars with good myc and poured them into cow patties on my buddies farm. nothing ever came from it 
If kept hydrated they would have grown spores would release n cows would eat them
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460944 - 01/30/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tedoro said: who's nums?
that guy up there
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26460950 - 01/30/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahhhh numnum.
Im DumDum
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
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Most mold does not grow in fresh air. There may be spores present outside but they aren't competing until they get introduced to a humid stagnant nutritious environment. Stick a loaf of bread outside and stick one on your counter, the one outside is gonna dry out or be eaten while the one on the counter will mold.
I would agree with sockadin that there are more active mold in your house than outside.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
#26461068 - 01/30/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is super interesting. Must be why people have success plopping moldy tubs in the yard and get yields they wouldn't have gotten inside.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
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I'm also thinking about the hours after the cow patty drops. I wonder if there is a term for a pseudo sterilization where a sole occupier of a substrate is killed (by a temp drop) and leaves the cow patty somewhat sterile...
My god, please someone recommend a book for crimmney sakes. I am spewing nonsense.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
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spiritlands said:There may be spores present outside but they aren't competing until they get introduced to a humid stagnant nutritious environment.

No need to overthink this one. The natural microbiome is locked into patterns of efficiency through the evolutionary process. It takes epochs for these patterns to form. This is why “invasive species” of any kind are considered a threat to the pre-existing biology. Growing mushrooms in plastic totes in your spare bedroom is an entirely different concept, even if the end result is mushrooms growing.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: vc77]
#26461163 - 01/30/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't with you guys right now. Lmao. Teodoro you want me to find you some literature. What specifically are you interested in the cow waste or the digestive system that passes the waste? I'm not shitting you I'll find you some good literature on either. Lmao Not literally. At this point I'm just here out of boredom.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: gizmo1]
#26461184 - 01/30/20 10:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It seems people want to mimic nature in their grows but I don't think I have ever seen a pinset from wild cubes that match a homegrown pinset. Granted I've never actually seen a cube in the wild so I could just be very ignorant. From what I understand home cultivation is limiting everything the mycelium has to compete with in a limited environment to get the best results. In the wild there's a lot more competition so only in the right conditions will you find them thriving but maybe not to the extent that is achieved through home cultivation. That's just the thoughts that I have. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Parafaragaramus]
#26461253 - 01/30/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yes exactly, we don't mimic nature, that bitch ain't got shit on me
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: yes exactly, we don't mimic nature, that bitch ain't got shit on me
Careful what you say Cron you might get hit by a hurricane or tornado or some shit.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: gizmo1]
#26461256 - 01/30/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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nope I don't get them here
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: gizmo1]
#26461277 - 01/30/20 11:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The way we do it is better than a cows stomach. You’ve never seen a multiple oz flush from a cow shit paddy. Also the relationship between cattle/equine digestive systems has been evolving since cows and horses have existed.
Let it go. Use more spawn, get bigger tubs.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: jbgtaa]
#26461766 - 01/31/20 08:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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These are all good points. Perhaps its that I'm fascinated that the cattle/equine relationship can pull off a flush without a Presto. Pretty sure I couldn't.
So Gizmo1... I guess its that... the relationship between the cows gut and the spores. Thats what I'm fascinated with and want to read more.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
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Ive been thinking about this lately, and have not found any actual literature explaining the process in the wild either. I do find it an interesting topic.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
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iwh678 said: In nature there are complex symbiotic relationships between bacteria, fungi, and other organisms that we don't understand yet. Along with very specific growth conditions for some species when growing in nature.
It also is still a game of chance.
Yes. to change the subject slightly, this is why indoor weed plants often get infested with spider mites or white flies. This almost never happen outdoors because the pests are controlled by their natural enemies.
Growing mushrooms we are trying to create an ideal environment for cubes or whatever, but it's also a good environment for bacteria and mold if the shroom mycelium doesn't dominate the substrate. Again there are no natural enemies for the undesirable organisms indoors.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Brian Jones]
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What we should be doing is making our own compost and selecting what microbe cultures we want in our substrate. I haven't made a real attempt at making compost but the books I have seem like it pasteurizes itself. That would save having to sterilize substrate and it would be introducing symbiotic microfauna to help defend the substrate.
Seems like that would be more like nature than the sterile cult we're used to. That might be outdated info though, some of what's in the books is from the 90's.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
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There are folks that are really promoting Black Kow... but thats just expanding the spawn. Its the spawn itself that seems like the craziest frontier.
Imagine if one could time the cube spore thick coating to be, say 48 hours... and one was to put it in a beer mash two days before it when out in the alley hopper, and cooled to 70f, killing all the yeast. then boom. (I doubt any of this would work, but I think exactly zero cube growers don't get excited when they see spent grains outside a brewery.)
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
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↓These gallons colonized in 4 days.↓ Spawn is easy but it's only half the battle. Get your spawn prep right and you don't need to worry about cow digestion to get colonization times like that.
 Slurryinahurry tek
From what I understand composting is like predigesting the nutes so that our myc has an advantage over contams. I think this means the sub can be more nutritious and contam resistant. Instead of mush relying on grains for nutes like in a coir sub I would think it would produce better bc compost is nutrient rich. Idk though that's just my assumption.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
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Humans pull off flushes without a PC all the time. Its called PF tek.
I feel like I’m just repeating shit it’s already been sent this thread the reason why it works in nature is the cows injest the spores with grass then the spores germinate inside the Patty and there’s very little competition in addition to a large amount of fresh air and variable conditions essentially a pile of shit in the middle of a field in the right environment is perfect conditions for cubes and not very good conditions for anything else except for maybe some bacteria that the cubes don’t mind sharing space with.
The digestive process mimics our pasteurization process only it uses strong acids and anaerobic conditions. same idea as fermenting wood chips for wood lovers
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Brian Jones]
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iwh678 said: In nature there are complex symbiotic relationships between bacteria, fungi, and other organisms that we don't understand yet. Along with very specific growth conditions for some species when growing in nature.
It also is still a game of chance.
Yes. to change the subject slightly, this is why indoor weed plants often get infested with spider mites or white flies. This almost never happen outdoors because the pests are controlled by their natural enemies.
Growing mushrooms we are trying to create an ideal environment for cubes or whatever, but it's also a good environment for bacteria and mold if the shroom mycelium doesn't dominate the substrate. Again there are no natural enemies for the undesirable organisms indoors.
Yeah that's exactly what I was trying to get at, but you put it in better words.
Everyone is too hung up on the pressure cooker and other unnatural processes. The thing is you bedroom is nothing like nature. There are different organisms,O2 and CO2 levels, humidity, sunlight, and maybe most importantly no seasons. If you pit cubes and trichoderma head to head in a a sterile environment the trich always wins. But in nature, there is also different organisms competing with the trich. This is true for every organism and it forms a complex web of interconnected niches that each organism thrives in.
Its like saying you put a lion and a gazelle in the same room and the lion ate the gazelle, so you don't see how gazelles can exist in nature. Artificial environments =/= natural environments.
The thing is no one person understand it either. It takes groups of experts in very narrow fields to come up with an idea of what is going on and even then they don't always agree.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
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All that methane gas must not feed the bugs we run into in our 20% oxygen atmosphere...
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Also...
Are you saying that you don't think you will see bugs on shit?
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
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I mean, yeah, a turd in a field is a dream home for a few things, flies included.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro] 1
#26462269 - 01/31/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tedoro said: I've been growing cubes for 10 years, but something keeps bugging me. Sterilization. A cows gut is very not sterile. And thats where cubes spores begin growing when not in Brads closet in Eugene.
So what gives? How can a cube spore get an upper hand in a cow gut, and be so frail to bacterial and trich in Brads sterilite.
Aaaaaaand where can I read more on this, and does anyone have thoughts on the matter?
MooooooOOooOO!
You know the first time I used WBS I made it way too wet. The jars after a few days after being sterilized and inoculated smelled horrendous, almost like death. I set them aside, outdoorsish until I could get to cleaning them out properly. It was at least a few weeks later I went out to find they had dried out, the odor was gone and there even mushroom mycelium growing in one. Which I then rather foolishly decided to scoop out and tried to fruit... and succeeded. The lesson is anaerobic bacteria stops being a competitor in aerobic conditions. A cow's gut is filled with anaerobic bacteria, but conditions change and they die off, then something else takes over and then dies off as the conditions change, and something else takes over, until there's everything is broken down. So the manure goes through different stages of decay and mushrooms, under the right circumstances, will eventually find themselves in perfect growing conditions for a time where they can grow better than anything else.
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tedoro
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Kizzle]
#26462349 - 01/31/20 03:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats a really cool way of thinking of it. and pretty complex to mimic. but really cool.
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tramalot
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: iwh678]
#26462505 - 01/31/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tramalot said: All that methane gas must not feed the bugs we run into in our 20% oxygen atmosphere...
Also...
Are you saying that you don't think you will see bugs on shit?
No I would think that the methane atmosphere in the cows gut would be kind of like a barrier to certain types of bacteria that flourish in an oxygen atmosphere which may help the spores not being attacked in the gut for whatever reason...
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tramalot] 1
#26462547 - 01/31/20 05:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well said Kizzle.
I’ve always wanted a baby cow just so it can shit out manure cakes all over the place. 💩🍄
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tramalot] 1
#26462549 - 01/31/20 05:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well said Kizzle.
I’ve always wanted a baby cow just so it can shit out manure cakes all over the place. 💩🍄
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tramalot]
#26462684 - 01/31/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tramalot said:
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iwh678 said:
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tramalot said: All that methane gas must not feed the bugs we run into in our 20% oxygen atmosphere...
Also...
Are you saying that you don't think you will see bugs on shit?
No I would think that the methane atmosphere in the cows gut would be kind of like a barrier to certain types of bacteria that flourish in an oxygen atmosphere which may help the spores not being attacked in the gut for whatever reason...
This is why I have a testing theory about using Potasium Metabisulfite during your grain soak to create an anaerobic environment to pre-sterilize grains during the soak and dry cycle. I wonder if it would create a... pre OK I don't know what it would do, but it sounds cool so lets run with it. I will try this weekend. My 3 year old scrapped spores from the fruiting tray I used are almost ready for T3 on agar.
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SynKyd
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin] 1
#26462696 - 01/31/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forget cows guts, just eat a cap daily and take all your shits in the yard.
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numnum59
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: cronicr]
#26462758 - 01/31/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: cubes are coprophiluos fungi or dung lovers. This means the spores thick walled and when eaten the enzymes in the herbivores stomach helps break down these walls allowing them to germinate later unlike it's competitors. this is why nums plan didn't work and why they flourish in nature
can you go into a little more detail on how to be successful next time? i am thinking about doing an outside grow in my garden.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: numnum59]
#26462764 - 01/31/20 07:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you live in PNW and have patience try some Cyans or wood lovers. If you live in the deep South you can try using spent subs as a mulch and cover with leaves during the wet season. You will get better results outside if you can control the weather. Shamman that shit.
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numnum59
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: Sockadin]
#26462767 - 01/31/20 08:02 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sockadin said: If you live in PNW and have patience try some Cyans or wood lovers. If you live in the deep South you can try using spent subs as a mulch and cover with leaves during the wet season. You will get better results outside if you can control the weather. Shamman that shit.
more or less something i would just like to add to the corner of my garden. i have however seen some monster cubes from an outdoor manure/ straw grow. would love to be able to eat "one" shroom one day and trip balls :P
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: numnum59]
#26462848 - 01/31/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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numnum59 said: would love to be able to eat "one" shroom one day and trip balls :P
grow indoors
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C12ShroomMan
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: SynKyd]
#26462856 - 01/31/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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SinysterKyd said: Forget cows guts, just eat a cap daily and take all your shits in the yard. 
someone on a vegan diet try it
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: C12ShroomMan]
#26462868 - 01/31/20 10:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Speaking of growing on ppl-poo anyone seen meaculpa? Thought for sure he was down to try ;-}>

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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: spiritlands]
#26462875 - 01/31/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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spiritlands said:
Speaking of growing on ppl-poo anyone seen meaculpa? Thought for sure he was down to try ;-}>

Hes no longer with us. Banned.
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Re: Mimicking a cows stomach and growing better... [Re: tedoro]
#26462877 - 01/31/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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tedoro said: There are folks that are really promoting Black Kow... but thats just expanding the spawn. Its the spawn itself that seems like the craziest frontier.
Imagine if one could time the cube spore thick coating to be, say 48 hours... and one was to put it in a beer mash two days before it when out in the alley hopper, and cooled to 70f, killing all the yeast. then boom. (I doubt any of this would work, but I think exactly zero cube growers don't get excited when they see spent grains outside a brewery.)
Black kow is fucking wack. Buy powdered manure from shroom supply.
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