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How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. * 2
    #26458697 - 01/29/20 03:25 PM (4 years, 3 hours ago)

Ok, let me state that I'm no scholar, but I have an innate ability to see things from a different perspective.

If you pay attention, radio really started this trend many years ago and it continues to this very day.

Certain kinds of music were target at specific types of people. It was an early form of social conditioning, which led to targeted marketing, which further divided the two.

Another form of divide and conquer if you will.

Since I'm talking about generalities within a society, there will always be exceptions to these rules, but, for the most part, they hold true.

Country music was aimed at low-income rural people, and R&B was aimed at low-income urban people.

Rock and roll was such a big controversy back in the day because it tried to take R&B (urban music) mix it with a little country (rural music) and make something new.

This upset the hierarchy that was trying to control our society. They used all kinds of smear campaigns to shame anyone listening to Rock and Roll ... yet Rock became wildly popular.

Those at the top had no choice but to accept this and try to use it as another way to control people.

Look at how chaotic our society was during the birth of Rock and Roll. I won't go into the specifics, but everyone knows the social upheaval that went along with Rock.

Now, today we have two polar opposite kinds of music, Country, and Rap (the extreme form of R&B). And those in the middle who listen to Rock. In general, those who listen to Country music would never listen to Rap music, and vice versa. The two opposites may listen to some Rock from time to time, but primarily stick to their preferred genera.

Politicians have manipulated these groups for years now, constantly pitting one against the other, maintaining chaos in the society.

Now, while our society is at its most chaotic (again) and may very well be on the verge of a civil war, at the very least an uprising, we have a blending of the two opposites again. Not just a mild mixture either, but a strong blending of the two genres. Strong twangy country strings mixed with some slow catchy Rap Beats and Bars.

I must be honest; I never saw this coming

When I first heard it, I thought it was a parody, a joke.

The more I looked into it, the more it seems to be a legitimately popular song. (I don't listen to much main stream music/media, I don't even have a Netflix or Amazon account) I have to admit, it is likable. I thought it was a pretty good attempt at mixing the two.

This makes me think that society is not as divided as is shown on the Main Stream Media.

Maybe this next uprising will be aimed at getting our government away from the corporations who have taken it from us over the years.

Perhaps there is some hope around the corner.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420] * 1
    #26458703 - 01/29/20 03:33 PM (4 years, 3 hours ago)

Old Town Road is our only hope


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420] * 1
    #26458814 - 01/29/20 05:14 PM (4 years, 1 hour ago)

Very cool post. I see it as a sign of the Awakening of Humanity.

Heres one of my favorite Hip-Hop Country Songs:


The old walls of the past are crumbling, making way for a new bright future :awesome:


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26459843 - 01/30/20 08:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I see what your sayin' Jailbird, but how do you splain these 80s songs?









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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Dilsnique]
    #26459852 - 01/30/20 08:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

What makes you believe music dictates anything that happens in society, and not the other way around?


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420]
    #26460689 - 01/30/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

imagine not knowing of the great Zeal & Ardor... slave spirituals and black metal :lol::rockon:





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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: feldman114]
    #26461219 - 01/30/20 11:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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What makes you believe music dictates anything that happens in society, and not the other way around?




Show me where I said that music dictated anything, just that it was a reflection of how society, at large feels at a given time.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Dilsnique] * 1
    #26461236 - 01/30/20 11:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

When rap first came out, several different genres of music played around with it, but none of them were highly popular within both groups.

At least not the way it seems to be today with Old Town Road, but I could be mistaken.

Some of the Beastie Boys stuff comes to mind, but they were really the only ones that crossed over that had any leg that was listened to by both rock and rap/hip-hop fans.

The others were just one-hit wonders/flash in the pan kinda things.

We may be looking at the same thing here.

I just thought it was an interesting phenomenon to observe.

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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420]
    #26461241 - 01/30/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The Jailbird is back :yesnod:

It would seem that Country-Rap is finally becoming mainstream. Ive also heard some Country on Pop stations so in general, Country is becoming more popular.

Fusion Genres are the shiiz nit! Im always excited to hear something new come out from two genres mashing up.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26461250 - 01/30/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Very cool post. I see it as a sign of the Awakening of Humanity.

Heres one of my favorite Hip-Hop Country Songs:


The old walls of the past are crumbling, making way for a new bright future :awesome:




See, this is actually the song I was thinking about when I wrote this.

Then Old Town Road came out; more evidence of (like you said) a blending of cultures, despite mainstream media's attempt at keeping us divided.

:2cents:


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26461298 - 01/31/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Very cool post. I see it as a sign of the Awakening of Humanity.

Heres one of my favorite Hip-Hop Country Songs:


The old walls of the past are crumbling, making way for a new bright future :awesome:




That’s just a pretty standard country song. Just because the guy is black doesn’t make it hip-hop.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: koods]
    #26461400 - 01/31/20 02:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Music was not ā€˜aimed’ at specific groups of people, it’s just the type of music they like. Music starts at the bottom not the top, remember. It starts in a basement joking around or in a park or while working BS jobs and eventually grows to a style that becomes popular. Good theory but you didn’t think it though. Genres are blending because the world is out of shit...were fucked to be honest. It honestly points to the end of times, or perhaps we rediscover what has been forgotten. But hasn’t that already happened? There will never be another music genre. Those of you alive in 60s-90s congratulations you were the luckiest generation of human beings that have lived.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: koods]
    #26461402 - 01/31/20 02:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Very cool post. I see it as a sign of the Awakening of Humanity.

Heres one of my favorite Hip-Hop Country Songs:


The old walls of the past are crumbling, making way for a new bright future :awesome:




That’s just a pretty standard country song. Just because the guy is black doesn’t make it hip-hop.




Here's one of my favorite Hip Hop country songs


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420] * 2
    #26461445 - 01/31/20 03:27 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just skips over the entire electronic genre

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    #26461467 - 01/31/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420]
    #26461717 - 01/31/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Jazz never existed? Blues?

Rap is the extreme form of R&B? They’re pretty damn different.

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What makes you believe music dictates anything that happens in society, and not the other way around?




Show me where I said that music dictated anything, just that it was a reflection of how society, at large feels at a given time.




That’s how it reads. I mean, OF COURSE music reflects society, but the same can be said about any number of things: art, fashion, comedy, film, etc.

I thought you were making a case for ā€œlife imitates artā€.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: feldman114] * 2
    #26461751 - 01/31/20 08:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

The reason most people ignore modern country music is because it's absolute garbage. It panders so hard to some made up image of what living in rural America is like. Rap, which is a form of rock and roll (as is all modern country music), grew out of an honest reality relatively recently, something like 40 years ago. Country music grew honestly as well, but it did so in the 20's and 30's. Those realities are long gone.

So when you compare country music and rap music the obvious conclusion is that yeah, they are fairly opposed. Country music is not based on reality whereas rap has recent roots in society.


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    #26462014 - 01/31/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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So when you compare country music and rap music the obvious conclusion is that yeah, they are fairly opposed. Country music is not based on reality whereas rap has recent roots in society.




What I meant by being polar opposites is that in one genre, country, an image of home roots, family history, and a loving, caring community is talked about, while in rap/hip-hop, an image of no roots to call 'home', family issues and how society looks upon them in a negative way is discussed.

Two completely different world views are expressed in these genres; the real-life expressions of rural and urban poverty. With rural poverty shown to be more wholesome and desirable than urban poverty.

Politicians have used clever campaign slogans and policies to pit one group against the other, making one group believe that all of their troubles in life are due to the other social group.

Poor white people are told that all of society's woes are because of black and brown people.

Non-white people are taught to see white people as the aggressor, and the root of their problems.

When really, both groups are being manipulated (by the system) to hate each other instead of directing their anger at the ones doing the manipulating.

With the recent mixing of the two musical genres, the main-stream media portrayal of hatred between the two communities is (mostly) just a myth. Both groups understand (at least partly) that they have more in common with each other than they do with the "elites" who have worked to pit one against the other; by subjugating one and keeping the other in poverty.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: Jailbird420]
    #26462022 - 01/31/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

christopera said:
So when you compare country music and rap music the obvious conclusion is that yeah, they are fairly opposed. Country music is not based on reality whereas rap has recent roots in society.




What I meant by being polar opposites is that in one genre, country, an image of home roots, family history, and a loving, caring community is talked about, while in rap/hip-hop, an image of no roots to call 'home', family issues and how society looks upon them in a negative way is discussed.

Two completely different world views are expressed in these genres; the real-life expressions of rural and urban poverty. With rural poverty shown to be more wholesome and desirable than urban poverty.

Politicians have used clever campaign slogans and policies to pit one group against the other, making one group believe that all of their troubles in life are due to the other social group.

Poor white people are told that all of society's woes are because of black and brown people.

Non-white people are taught to see white people as the aggressor, and the root of their problems.

When really, both groups are being manipulated (by the system) to hate each other instead of directing their anger at the ones doing the manipulating.

With the recent mixing of the two musical genres, the main-stream media portrayal of hatred between the two communities is (mostly) just a myth. Both groups understand (at least partly) that they have more in common with each other than they do with the "elites" who have worked to pit one against the other; by subjugating one and keeping the other in poverty.




Interesting view on the subject of mainstream popular music. Seems like an artist will change their music once a contract with a big record company is made as well.


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Re: How music culture shows that major change is coming in the U.S. [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #26462030 - 01/31/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol you might be onto something rex


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