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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26462265 - 01/31/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Psychedelic music with liberty caps was one of the the most incredible things I have ever experienced.  That and the visions that went along with it. 

They are a level above cubes, and almost matched by the Ps cyans I have grown.


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26462362 - 01/31/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Boom 👊🏻

100% with you there


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26462529 - 01/31/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I've always been curious about liberty caps, but no idea where to start.  You have to hunt them right?  I don't think they grow naturally where I am.  Maybe one day in my travels.


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #26462779 - 01/31/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Ive had good trips from all different varieties or cubes. If you blindfolded me and didn't tell the variety i and no one else would do any better than guesswork at identification




After having had many trips on many varieties every single trip has been different from the last and the type of variety has no noticeable effect. This is especially true for me because I have only grown MS which is basically a genetic lottery.


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: Corundum] * 1
    #26462865 - 01/31/20 10:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Liberty caps grow in the wild easily here in the PNW  US but are cultivated only with some difficulty.  It's something I'll probably try again sometime - I've germinated spores and had myc from them but the next steps to fruiting are complicated. :shrug:


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26462994 - 02/01/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I’ve followed many threads, especially on here, with regards,to growing liberty caps, but I have never found anyone who was successful. Apparently there’s a synergy between the mycelium and a particular type of grass, without which you’ll struggle to fruit. I have never been successful, and the last 2nyears all my favourite haunts have been empty of Liberty Caps.

At times I’ve irrationally wondered if farmers around here have been spraying some anti-fungal agent.......

One year walked up to my favourite field............and you could see them from 100m away!. I filled 2 boxes in about 20 mins; dried them then these lasted for a couple of years, supplanting my homegrown cubensis stocks.....

When I “100% agreednwith you” previously, I missed your comment on the music with liberty caps. I’ve always found the trip to be so intense the music is secondary to the survival! But I do prefer the liberty caps trip....

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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26463018 - 02/01/20 03:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe a difference between PNW semis and what grows in England?  Music (Yes, Fragile) became 3D, localized in space, crystalline, infinite.  Never heard anything quite like it with any other psilocybin species.

There are some successful grows posted here, though it's not exactly easy, if you can grow cyans you can probably manage it.  You need a source of rhizomes for them to work, here they always grow in proximity to sedge grass in boggy fields.


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26463029 - 02/01/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

That was the grass I was trying to think of, PrimalSoup, sedge grass. Same in the uk, growing near sheep, horses and cows, up on the moors.

My first experiences with mushrooms 30+ years ago were all with Liberty Caps, and my memories are all of LSD being awesome with music, and mushrooms not so much so. In fact rarely listened to music on mushrooms. So was blown away a few years ago by cubensis and music. Recent LC experiences have all been at heroic / heroic+ doses, so I’ve found the intensity too much to be able to relax into the trip.

When I’m peaking on LCs and I’ve stuck to a sensible dose, yes the music is really chilled.

Fully out of LC stocks now so gonna have to wait until August / September to give it a proper music trip....

I’ve followed David Barlow’s YouTube guides in Pan Cyans; I even collected cow manure from the moors and let it dry, for the substrate. Never got my substrate to colonise before the contaminants took over. Maybe it was my pasteurising process..... Tried straw, manure, compost, coir, Verm mixes - never a success.

I’ll give Pan Cyans and Liberty Caps some more attempts; just restocking my cubensis stocks with Mazatapec then I’m going to venture out again.....

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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26463704 - 02/01/20 01:32 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Liberty caps were my first, and for quite a while, only shrooms, with a few Ps cyans from time to time.  Fantastic trips.  But never difficult.  Could be the strain where you live.

Sort of like wild Ps cyans vary in effects.  One patch will be godlike, another spawn of the devil...

Psychedelic music with cubes is another world entirely and one of my most favorite things.  Time dilation works extreme magic there, and for some albums I never the same thing twice - but hey, that's WHY it's psychedelic. :cookiemonster:

Read Asura's Pan Cyan thread if you haven't and perfect yer technique.  Horse manure FTW.  I'm gonna be working with these very soon (germinating).


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: PrimalSoup] * 1
    #26463806 - 02/01/20 02:35 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Respect for the link. primal`-Soup. 👍🏻

Liberty caps are amazing, they changed my life and I’ve never been the same since. 35 years a convert 👊🏻

Back in the early 80s when basically the only information on psychedelics I ha d access to was Doors of Perception. So you went off what your mates told you, I reckon at least one of my early trips was way more than 30g dry. Of LC!. Have never been the same since.

But yeah I love them, they are so much better than cubensis.

DJ Ed


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: DJ Ed] * 1
    #26464277 - 02/01/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

30 g dry liberty caps?  Amazing you still walk among us.  :bow:

My doses back in the day were at most 20-25 dried caps in a tea.  And since they mostly have psilocybin any sort of tea will extract the actives very well.  I'm guessing here but that was at most a few grams.


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Re: Do experienced shroomers stick to one variety? (moved) [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #26464547 - 02/02/20 01:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It was a pretty rough trip, PrimalSoup. I can still remember it with great clarity, 32 years later!. I will get around to posting a trip report; it just feels like a lot of effort for something that happened decades ago, so haven’t yet written it up.

Been liaising with Aldebaran quite a bit, and he has given me some great nuggets to think on; like HP Lovecraft, philosophy, what if God is evil.......because basically I went to a place beyond God,and beyond the universe. It’s made me scared of dying for years.

And integrating something that powerful.......well we didn’t, but after a couple more LSD trips then one more MUCH smaller LC trip, I checked myself into the local psychiatric ward and received counselling for a few months. But even that did not take away any of the underlying existential dread!

That’s why the Shroomery is such a special place where honest reliable information is available; bad trips are caused by: set, setting, and dosage!

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