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#26458216 - 01/29/20 09:05 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms
SANTA CRUZ (CBS SF) — The Santa Cruz City Council voted Tuesday night to pass a resolution to decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms in the city.
The council passed the measure unanimously at around 8:44 p.m.
The resolution states that “the investigation and arrest of individuals involved with the adult possession, use, or cultivation of psychoactive plants and fungi listed on the Federal Schedule 1 list for personal adult use and clinical research be among the lowest priorities for the city of Santa Cruz.”
In May last year, Denver, Colorado became the first city in the country to decriminalize the psychedelic plants and Oakland followed suit shortly afterward.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: sonoramo]
#26458476 - 01/29/20 12:34 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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YAY!!! Feel the power if the fungus!
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: tyrannicalrex] 1
#26458559 - 01/29/20 01:31 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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not just the fungi....
....but allll psychoactive plants . (from what I understand)
One can grow and harvest and consume psychoactive fungi/plants with out worry.
Cactus
Mimosa, acacia, ayahuasca
ibogaine
coca leaf
poppy pod
khat
kratom
etc etc etc.....
I'm curious to see how this "decriminalize nature" spreads about other municipalities over the next few years.
This is honestly pretty much the ideal way of how I want to see these plants to be "free" again....just decriminalized....I do not want to see full legalization where these plants are being turned into "products" and being advertised & marketed in different ways and sold for $$$$$ from store fronts (I know that's a handful of years away if it ever happens at all, but just saying that's not the direction I want this to go).
Just stick with decriminalization...allow people to grow, possess, consume, and trade these plants/fungi...simple as that, people are free to grow and use and trade the plants, nothing else needs to be done.
And for folks that are not able to grow their own plants/fungi (for various reasons, not having the space to do so or being handicap, etc)...have some sort of non-profit or some program set up that will provide the plants/fungi to those that need/want them but can't grow their own.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: openmind]
#26458568 - 01/29/20 01:37 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Just stick with decriminalization...allow people to grow, possess, consume, and trade these plants/fungi...simple as that, people are free to grow and use and trade the plants, nothing else needs to be done.
And for folks that are not able to grow their own plants/fungi (for various reasons, not having the space to do so or being handicap, etc)...have some sort of non-profit or some program set up that will provide the plants/fungi to those that need/want them but can't grow their own.
I agree 1000% with this, and I always say this to people when the subject comes up, even to people who do not like any of them.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#26458572 - 01/29/20 01:42 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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I wish people would just ignore mushrooms like they have i feel like the mainstreaming of mushrooms is just going to comeback to bite us all maybe im just skeptical though.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Phantom45]
#26458597 - 01/29/20 02:16 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Debouchery96 said: I wish people would just ignore mushrooms like they have i feel like the mainstreaming of mushrooms is just going to comeback to bite us all maybe im just skeptical though.
Pessimist!! lol just kiddind pal. i disagree tho. i believe the magic plants will guide us all towards living in true peace with one another.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: split_by_nine]
#26458607 - 01/29/20 02:21 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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I just hope ots not one more thing thats added to standard drugtesting is my only concern
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Phantom45]
#26458624 - 01/29/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Debouchery96 said: I wish people would just ignore mushrooms like they have i feel like the mainstreaming of mushrooms is just going to comeback to bite us all maybe im just skeptical though.
Can you elaborate?
What are some of the ways you feel decriminalizing plants will "come back to bite us" ?
Do you prefer prohibition and keeping these plants illegal? Do you feel people should be arrested for growing/consuming a mushroom or a plant?
What are you "skeptical" about?
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: sonoramo]
#26458628 - 01/29/20 02:42 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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This is awesome! I love santa cruz! I've always loved that town, not that it doesn't have its downsides (like all the shady people who have seemingly moved there the past ten years or so) but still. Plus, from what I hear santa cruz has long been a haven for psychedelics. I hear there's a lot of LSD around there.
This is very cool and a lot of progress and I don't want to knock it or downplay it, but my one complaint would be that I wish they would have included LSD 
You rock Santa Cruz!
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Phantom45]
#26458654 - 01/29/20 02:56 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Debouchery96 said: I just hope ots not one more thing thats added to standard drugtesting is my only concern
doesnt bother me, i use synthetic urine for pre-employment drug screens 
unless drug tests are court-ordered or you are enlisted in military, i suggest you use fake pee.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: openmind]
#26458669 - 01/29/20 03:03 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Can you elaborate?
What are some of the ways you feel decriminalizing plants will "come back to bite us" ?
Do you prefer prohibition and keeping these plants illegal? Do you feel people should be arrested for growing/consuming a mushroom or a plant?
What are you "skeptical" about?
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I dont belive there should be prohibition and i dont belive alot of drugs should be illegal canabis mushrooms and other psychs things that really are not harmful to consume responsibly. Im just simply saying increased attention to mushrooms may not be the best thing becuase as of right now they are not on your standard work related drug tests spores can be purchased and obtained and nobodies really going to fuck with you unless your doing somthing with them thats going to draw uneeded attention to yourself. Government sucks specifically federal government they dont really give to fucks what we want. I live in a state where cannabis use is legal yet i cant use it unless i really want to risk loosing my job is that fair no but it is what it is i dont like that its that way but what can i do.....i can take mushrooms and not feel like its somthing i have to worry about becuase companies dont actively look for it.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: split_by_nine]
#26458674 - 01/29/20 03:08 PM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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doesnt bother me, i use synthetic urine for pre-employment drug screens 
unless drug tests are court-ordered or you are enlisted in military, i suggest you use fake pee.
I had a coworker who braged about use synthetic piss now we have no warning about randoms our foreman literally come get us from our work area and we are driven to the drugtest facility so there no chance. Otherwise ya it used to be hey you have to go take a piss test and we could drive ourselves and have time to prepare those days are no more
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Phantom45]
#26459490 - 01/30/20 03:06 AM (4 years, 18 days ago) |
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The way I’m reading this is could include opium too?
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: openmind]
#26462040 - 01/31/20 12:15 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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openmind said: Just stick with decriminalization...allow people to grow, possess, consume, and trade these plants/fungi...simple as that, people are free to grow and use and trade the plants, nothing else needs to be done.
That's not quite what decriminalization is. This what may be what it is in effect, but isn't the letter of the law. And often(though not in this case) decriminalization only pertains to possession of small amounts, and doesn't change persecution for production or distribution at all.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment. But there are a LOT of people who deserve to benefit from these plants and the compounds within that will only be able to do so from the production and sale of a medical compound accompanied by FDA approval.
I can't say it is really fair, moral, of beneficial to limit access of those who do not know how or are unable/unwilling to produce/obtain these compounds on their own or through clandestine means.
Allowing for treatments/medicine based on psychoactive plants/fungi to be created and applied doesn't need to stop anyone from growing/using them on their own...so why make it where fewer people are able to benefit?
Edited by Holybullshit (01/31/20 12:21 PM)
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: backintheriver]
#26462047 - 01/31/20 12:20 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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backintheriver said: The way I’m reading this is could include opium too?
I wouldn't see why not, but remember it only pertains to personal use. And even to create enough actual opium(not pod tea) for regular personal use, especially chronic recreational doses, would take acres of land.
And all they did was make it a low priority for city LE, they didn't actually change the possible legal outcomes(let alone county/state/federal laws).
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Holybullshit]
#26462198 - 01/31/20 01:46 PM (4 years, 17 days ago) |
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Holybullshit said: ...Allowing for treatments/medicine based on psychoactive plants/fungi to be created and applied doesn't need to stop anyone from growing/using them on their own...so why make it where fewer people are able to benefit?
I agree with the sentiment. Once you get licensed practitioners involved, they have to pay money and spend time getting licensed. They have to buy malpractice insurance. Then, they need to recoup their investment and the next thing you know, they are the ones trying to stop individuals from self-diagnosing, self-providing and self-treating.
Realistically, there are far fewer people in the general population who think mushrooms are as interesting as cannabis. Even if mushrooms become commercialized, it won't be as crazy as the rush to profit from cannabis production and distribution.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: sonoramo] 1
#26462977 - 02/01/20 12:53 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Realistically, there are far fewer people in the general population who think mushrooms are as interesting as cannabis.
Which is why, if you truly want people to benefit from said compounds, they need to be adopted by the healthcare industry.
I just don't see FDA approval and licensing making mushrooms less accessible than they already are...and it would be a boon to the decriminalization movement, not a hindrance.
It's not like lack of a prescription would stop anyone from growing/consuming that isn't already stopped by their illegality.
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Even if mushrooms become commercialized, it won't be as crazy as the rush to profit from cannabis production and distribution.
I agree, which is why I can't really imagine licensed medical use having any affect, whatsoever, on one's ability to clandestinely source/use said organisms.
Unless you think these compounds and their sources have a real shot at becoming completely illegal(if banned from commercial sale) and/or available for OTC purchase, I don't see the argument against institutional use. Especially not after how effectively medical cannabis changes the public perception of it...and as you've said, there just won't be enough support for a medical mushroom industry to be created whole cloth, do adoption by the existing healthcare industry is the only path forward in that regard.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Holybullshit]
#26463339 - 02/01/20 09:58 AM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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I thought I read somewhere that they wanted the list to include opium poppies and coca. But law enforcement objected so those two are not covered.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: nooneman]
#26463894 - 02/01/20 03:42 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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nooneman said: This is very cool and a lot of progress and I don't want to knock it or downplay it, but my one complaint would be that I wish they would have included LSD
This whole thing is in regards to entheogenic plants specifically, not just psychedelics/drugs in general, it was "decriminalize nature" .
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openmind said: Just stick with decriminalization...allow people to grow, possess, consume, and trade these plants/fungi...simple as that, people are free to grow and use and trade the plants, nothing else needs to be done.
That's not quite what decriminalization is. This what may be what it is in effect, but isn't the letter of the law. And often(though not in this case) decriminalization only pertains to possession of small amounts, and doesn't change persecution for production or distribution at all.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment. But there are a LOT of people who deserve to benefit from these plants and the compounds within that will only be able to do so from the production and sale of a medical compound accompanied by FDA approval.
I can't say it is really fair, moral, of beneficial to limit access of those who do not know how or are unable/unwilling to produce/obtain these compounds on their own or through clandestine means.
Allowing for treatments/medicine based on psychoactive plants/fungi to be created and applied doesn't need to stop anyone from growing/using them on their own...so why make it where fewer people are able to benefit?
By "decriminalization" I simply meant that growing, possessing, consuming, gifting/trading would no longer be a criminal act or against the law in anyway (but selling them or opening up a store to sell mushrooms would still be illegal and not allowed). The idea I had wouldn't limit access....
Like I mentioned....For those who do not know how or are unable to grow these psychoactive fungi/plants for various reason, there will be a program of sorts set up where those people will be provided with what they need.
Just like back in the early days of medical cannabis in California, there were groups & programs in place that would provide cannabis in various forms (flowers, full spectrum oils, edibles, etc..) for those that were in need and weren't able to grow it or acquire it themselves. Now with full legalization in Cali it has actually become illegal for those groups to provide cannabis to those that are in need. Access to the herb has become limited & difficult to acquire for those in the situation of not having the space to grow themselves or not having the $ to purchase the amounts they need. For those that are truly in need of cannabis as a medicine, the way it was in the early days was much better than it is now.
These plants/fungi don't need an approval from the FDA to be effective and/or available to the people. These plants/fungi don't need to be stamped with government approval at all. The FDA/government doesn't need to get involved in anyway for these plants/fungi to heal and to be available to who ever needs them.
I mean perhaps what I'm talking about is "legalization" in a way...My ideal way to allow these plants to be "free" and available to the people would be...Like mentioned, allow people to freely grow, posses, trade, gift, and consume....Allow special stores to sell spores and mushroom growing supplies, as well as places that sell all sorts of enthnobotanicals in their "whole" form (cactus cuttings, caapi vine, ibogaine, mimosa cuttings, etc etc etc...just the plants, nothing in extracted/isolated form).
Allow places to offer psychedelic therapy and places that hold ceremonies (those places will provide the substance)
Allow research & studies with psychedelics.
Don't allow individuals to sell psychedelics in extracted/isolate/dose-able form (whole plants are OK)...don't allow stores to sell doses of psychedelics.
I feel that the government doesn't need to lay their stamp of approval on any of these plants/fungi for them to be available to the people that need them.
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Re: Santa Cruz City Council Votes To Decriminalize Magic Mushrooms [Re: Holybullshit] 1
#26469448 - 02/04/20 11:16 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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openmind said: Just stick with decriminalization...allow people to grow, possess, consume, and trade these plants/fungi...simple as that, people are free to grow and use and trade the plants, nothing else needs to be done.
That's not quite what decriminalization is. This what may be what it is in effect, but isn't the letter of the law. And often(though not in this case) decriminalization only pertains to possession of small amounts, and doesn't change persecution for production or distribution at all.
Don't get me wrong though, I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment. But there are a LOT of people who deserve to benefit from these plants and the compounds within that will only be able to do so from the production and sale of a medical compound accompanied by FDA approval.
I can't say it is really fair, moral, of beneficial to limit access of those who do not know how or are unable/unwilling to produce/obtain these compounds on their own or through clandestine means.
Allowing for treatments/medicine based on psychoactive plants/fungi to be created and applied doesn't need to stop anyone from growing/using them on their own...so why make it where fewer people are able to benefit?
My experience with cannabis in canada is the legalization of it ruined it. As soon as you start talking about regulating it and putting it in stores you have to all of a sudden start listening to every idiot's opinion, even people that don't use the substances.
If my government limits THC levels of extracts and edibles it stands to reason they will drop some kind of nonsense like that on shrooms, like diluted micro dosing will be legal but buying an eighth of shrooms will not. Nothing good comes from regulation. Regulation is to make anti drug people happy, it's never ever for us, for users benefit. And big business will rape us on prices, and taxes will make it even worse. Free to grow/use/trade/give away is better than storefronts. The smartshop model works in Netherlands but North America it will be all taxes and greed and stupid rules.
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