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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26458543 - 01/29/20 01:18 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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nobody said to take the foil/lid off
lets try this - you keep saying "fruiting conditions" - what do you mean when you say that?
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: A.k.a]
#26458545 - 01/29/20 01:19 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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You mean you cant tell if their pins in the sub or just coir and verm disguised as a pin?
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26458546 - 01/29/20 01:21 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Ok.. so when you say “grated” pf cakes up, was there still some pretty chunky pieces that got mixed in? Because if there was, there is a good chance that it could be pinning in certain parts that do have those chunks. So pins are 4 days wouldn’t surprise me.
Are you talking bout this part?

It does look like it could be a pins’ cap pushing up through... and pf cakes are already colonized for quite some time... I wouldn’t worry about it being contaminated yet.. it looks fine. Do not cover it with foil if it’s already been uncovered and put into fruiting. once it’s in fruiting, there is no going back to colonizing. If you cover with foil after that, you risk bacterial infection and you’re cutting off its light, both are no good. Like has been said, just leave it and let it do it’s thing. If you’re just taking it off to take pics etc, putting it back on is no problem.
We are not all super duper patient ppl... we all just learned early on that we need to start more projects to distract us so we can simply manage our impatience. That’s all you can really do. It is possible to love something to death try and forget about it for a few days. The wonderful thing about coir is that even if you have uncolonized parts, it more than likely won’t contaminate. The myc will still keep colonizing while in fruiting mode, but it’s a lot slower. Breathe easy... not much else to do but hurry up and wait. 
I’d also suggest using press and seal for a cover rather than foil. It lets light through and it’ll stick and restick over and over again.. a roll lasts a long time and is as cheap as foil.. easy to poke holes in it too
Faht
Edited by fahtster (01/29/20 01:26 PM)
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26458547 - 01/29/20 01:21 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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I thought it was older before when I thought there was a pin, but at four days there’s no way.
It’s hard to miss a little mushroom in person.
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: trubblesome]
#26458553 - 01/29/20 01:26 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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Quote:
trubblesome said: nobody said to take the foil/lid off
lets try this - you keep saying "fruiting conditions" - what do you mean when you say that?
Well as far as my research goes fruiting conditions are light (which means removing the foil), fresh air, lower temp and misting, maybe more but I cant remember, I'm not sure who it was who told me that I could introduce light and FAE but someone did, so I took the advice, and obviously I cant introduce light with tin foil on the tub.
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26458561 - 01/29/20 01:34 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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gotcha - well in any case fahtster said it better than I could. most people give them light but keep a cover on them to keep the sub from drying out (which is why I asked in your other thread if you had a translucent lid you could put on them) and do not change anything at all about the conditions from spawn to harvest. keep it between 18-23c, light on 12/off 12, mist sub to maintain surface beads of moisture once it's fully colonized, etc. take a deep breath, you'll have mushrooms within a month for sure.
search the forum for a shoebox tek and follow the instructions to a T next time. You'll have much less worry and a thread where you can ask questions from people who have done it exactly the way the tek describes.
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26458562 - 01/29/20 01:35 PM (4 years, 7 hours ago) |
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A lot of ppl colonize in fruiting conditions nowadays.. full colonization is a huge fruiting factor. If you’re using ratios of 1:4 or 1:5 etc, I think that’s when you might get pinning before 100% colonized.
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: fahtster]
#26458630 - 01/29/20 02:43 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago) |
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fahtster said: Ok.. so when you say “grated” pf cakes up, was there still some pretty chunky pieces that got mixed in? Because if there was, there is a good chance that it could be pinning in certain parts that do have those chunks. So pins are 4 days wouldn’t surprise me.
Are you talking bout this part?

It does look like it could be a pins’ cap pushing up through... and pf cakes are already colonized for quite some time... I wouldn’t worry about it being contaminated yet.. it looks fine. Do not cover it with foil if it’s already been uncovered and put into fruiting. once it’s in fruiting, there is no going back to colonizing. If you cover with foil after that, you risk bacterial infection and you’re cutting off its light, both are no good. Like has been said, just leave it and let it do it’s thing. If you’re just taking it off to take pics etc, putting it back on is no problem.
We are not all super duper patient ppl... we all just learned early on that we need to start more projects to distract us so we can simply manage our impatience. That’s all you can really do. It is possible to love something to death try and forget about it for a few days. The wonderful thing about coir is that even if you have uncolonized parts, it more than likely won’t contaminate. The myc will still keep colonizing while in fruiting mode, but it’s a lot slower. Breathe easy... not much else to do but hurry up and wait. 
I’d also suggest using press and seal for a cover rather than foil. It lets light through and it’ll stick and restick over and over again.. a roll lasts a long time and is as cheap as foil.. easy to poke holes in it too
Faht
That's the one I meant yeah lol I did put a couple of chunks in there yeah, nothing to chunky though, was just the chunks that fell off when grating I think, i was thinking grating the cakes might of damaged the mycelium and assumed it would give me more chance of undamaged mycelium if I put the chunks in, since it was my first time I wasn't sure how sensitive the mycelium was, I think that's what I had in mind lol or I wasn't sure which would colonise quicker, or both lol was a bit half arsed at this point because Id already had a mold scare and half gave up.
Edited by Ojepam (01/29/20 04:15 PM)
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26458694 - 01/29/20 03:24 PM (4 years, 5 hours ago) |
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It’s totally fine if you did that.. probably explains early pins IF that’s what that is.. you’ll know in about a day.
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: fahtster]
#26462277 - 01/31/20 02:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Still no pins yet, there's a white round ball of mycelium that I didn't notice before though just on the surface, I've looked at pictures of knots , could it be that in its early stage? ill upload a picture soon, might just be s blob of mycelium that's round but I dunno lol looks quite perfect in its roundness.
Edited by Ojepam (01/31/20 02:55 PM)
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Re: Adding bulk sub to fruiting before full colonisation.. [Re: Ojepam]
#26462296 - 01/31/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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might be primordia if its p small!
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