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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26408546 - 12/30/19 10:21 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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$500 a pound?  What kind of quality is that?  That's barely over $1/gram

Geez that is cheap.

Well, at least there will be a lot more people smoking grass now.  Awash in a flood of cheaper and cheaper pot.



I was thinking the same thing $9.65 for an oz is crazy cheap I wouldnt care even if the tax was 90% at those prices it's as cheap as alcohol. I pay 150 an oz now





it's not $9.65/oz.  and this is unregulated (black market) wholesale, not going to a dispensary.



The article said a raise from $9.25 to $9.65/oz, if that's the tax on top of the price of an Oz that's insane over a dollar a gram in tax


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: sk8fast]
    #26408580 - 12/30/19 10:56 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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$500 a pound?  What kind of quality is that?  That's barely over $1/gram

Geez that is cheap.

Well, at least there will be a lot more people smoking grass now.  Awash in a flood of cheaper and cheaper pot.



I was thinking the same thing $9.65 for an oz is crazy cheap I wouldnt care even if the tax was 90% at those prices it's as cheap as alcohol. I pay 150 an oz now





it's not $9.65/oz.  and this is unregulated (black market) wholesale, not going to a dispensary.



The article said a raise from $9.25 to $9.65/oz, if that's the tax on top of the price of an Oz that's insane over a dollar a gram in tax






i'm with you now


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26409430 - 12/31/19 02:08 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Where are you seeing $500 a pound,  I just read an article about the cannabis industry in the U.S. and it quoted $1000.00-$1400.00 a pound as the going rate dispensaries are paying.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Doc9151]
    #26409629 - 12/31/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Where are you seeing $500 a pound,  I just read an article about the cannabis industry in the U.S. and it quoted $1000.00-$1400.00 a pound as the going rate dispensaries are paying.






Humboldt/Mendocino counties


wholesale, unregulated market (black market)


like i said, that was last year.  supposedly prices are up this year.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26409906 - 12/31/19 08:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Is it Brick weed? That seems super cheap, even by PNW standards.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Doc9151]
    #26409959 - 12/31/19 09:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Is it Brick weed? That seems super cheap, even by PNW standards.






no.  i already clarified quality.

i'm not talking about buying through dispensaries.  i'm talking about wholesale price on the unregulated market, direct from the grower(s).

for people that don't have connections, they have to sell wholesale to buyers who come through and pick up 100-1000 pounds at a time.  those are where the low prices come in. 

it's a very different world.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26409976 - 12/31/19 09:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

No I understand it is black market,  just surprised is all


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Doc9151]
    #26410038 - 12/31/19 10:07 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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No I understand it is black market,  just surprised is all





in 2010 prices were still 1600-2000/lb depending.  in 2012, prices were 1400-1800/lb.  in 2016, prices were already down to 1000-1300/lb.


growers gave all the leverage to buyers, and buyers kept lowering the prices.  for whatever reason, the growers kept allowing it.

it was pretty fucked up, and i'm so glad i got out when i did, cause none of it followed basic rules of economics.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #26410042 - 12/31/19 10:10 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

It’s fucking annoying. Tax the hell out of it!


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26410048 - 12/31/19 10:11 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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No I understand it is black market,  just surprised is all





in 2010 prices were still 1600-2000/lb depending.  in 2012, prices were 1400-1800/lb.  in 2016, prices were already down to 1000-1300/lb.


growers gave all the leverage to buyers, and buyers kept lowering the prices.  for whatever reason, the growers kept allowing it.

it was pretty fucked up, and i'm so glad i got out when i did, cause none of it followed basic rules of economics.




Two pound fourteen hundred. So much of it. Your buying egos.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: openmind]
    #26410067 - 12/31/19 10:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Incredibly stupid to raise taxes right now specifically. Almost like they're trying to run the new business into the ground so they can call it a failure and shut it down. This is just immensely stupid right now.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: nooneman]
    #26410085 - 12/31/19 10:29 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Incredibly stupid to raise taxes right now specifically. Almost like they're trying to run the new business into the ground so they can call it a failure and shut it down. This is just immensely stupid right now.





hum co board of supes is basically trying to kill the small farmer.  recall estelle fennell and kill rex bohn/virginia bass!


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26410159 - 12/31/19 11:05 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Ain’t no surprise.

People pay for those taxes become law. Whose paying?  The people making more money than others and don’t mind pinching off the scrappers.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: WhoManBeing] * 1
    #26456638 - 01/28/20 11:03 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

As California re-focuses their law enforcement efforts on black market cannabis sales(and in doing so continues/expands the failed war on drugs tactics that legal cannabis was supposed to stop)...they raise taxes pushing more producers and consumers to participate in said black market.

Makes no sense, now(even if indirectly) any new revenues created by raising taxes will just be wasted funding said law enforcement actions...creating a never ending circle that will only lead to less participation in the legal market, less revenues, and endlessly persecuting users/producers of cannabis as if they were violent criminals for what amounts to the white collar crime of tax evasion. Tax evasion that is incentivized by overburdenous taxes and regulation in the first place.

I wholeheatedly agree with raising revenue through smart taxation on the cannabis industry, preferably by taxing the largest producers of cannabis(not consumers, small businesses, end level distributors)...but, if California really wanted to reduce black market cannabis sales they should be lowering taxes and making it easier/more affordable to participate in the legal cannabis industry; not ramping up police efforts, certainly not the same failed militarized, oppressive, persecutory tactics of the past.

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Incredibly stupid to raise taxes right now specifically. Almost like they're trying to run the new business into the ground so they can call it a failure and shut it down. This is just immensely stupid right now.




This may not be far from the truth...conservatives have been purposefully sabotaging our government from within since the 80s(I recommend reading The Wrecking Crew by Frank Thomas if more interested in this topic)...they run on the platform of incompetent government, and then create policy to make it true...while trying to bankrupt us at every level in order to force policy makers to take the unpopular actions of cutting social programs and under-funding regulatory agencies.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were purposefully sabatoging legal cannabis so they can tell voters "See, legal cannabis doesn't work" and ensuring a black market still exists to allow lobbyists representing the Prison-Industrial Complex and Police Industrial Complex to continue crafting policy and exerting influence which will guarantee the War on Drugs never ends and continue the further militarization of our Police force...so they can continue to profit by contorting our own democracy against us and treat us like an occupied nation.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Holybullshit]
    #26458199 - 01/29/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

Shit, how many people died in the USA (yes some were in legal states, including CA) because the illicit market has cheaper products and they opted to buy a THC cart from the shady street dealer or the illegal dispensary in the shitty part of town...

And they're gonna raise taxes?

Get this fucking one - this is how Ontario, Canada is gonna allow the producers (growers) of marijuana to sell their own marijuana back to customers (at their growing locations). A brewery simply brews the beer, bottles it, fridges it, and sells it..





So are governments inept at selling weed, or are they intentionally trying to fuck this up? They are such bad weed dealers.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26458232 - 01/29/20 09:18 AM (4 years, 18 days ago)

I guess you missed the recent news about the medical marijuana dispensary in Michigan that was caught selling cartridges tainted with vitamin e just like the ones sold illegally.


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Re: California marijuana taxes will increase New Year’s Day [Re: Doc9151] * 1
    #26458838 - 01/29/20 05:36 PM (4 years, 18 days ago)

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I guess you missed the recent news about the medical marijuana dispensary in Michigan that was caught selling cartridges tainted with vitamin e just like the ones sold illegally.




Without knowing exactly how Michigan's quality control regulations work, I am going to guess those carts never went through the proper procedures and may have even never had excise taxes paid on them...and Michigans system lends itself to such happenings as all taxes and most regulation are basically at the consumer level...there is little oversight of producers and no real enforcement policy preventing dispensaries from sourcing black market goods and selling them in their shop. Perhaps I am wrong, but if not it is still a black market product whether it was sold be a licensed retailer or not...and if it wasn't, thats a failure of Michigans regulatory system, not an innate flaw of legal cannabis. And given the competitive disadvantage legal dispensaries are forced into, its no wonder they turn to shady business practices in an effort to keep up.

Just because Michigan has an incomplete and flawed system doesn't mean products found in dispensaries aren't safe elsewhere...places where the problem is taxes and near punitive regulation makes it impossible for legitimate and safe cannabis retailers from matching black market prices.

https://www.crainsdetroit.com/marijuana/opt-outs-high-prices-keep-conditions-strong-marijuana-black-market

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The shortage of welcoming communities and questionable regulatory measures coupled with the fact that the Michigan Marijuana Regulatory Agency didn't license growers first has already led to a shortage of product.

That shortage has driven up prices for marijuana — as high as $480 per ounce for high-end medical marijuana in Michigan, compared with just $300 per ounce for the same product on the illegal market.




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