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Cant find anything on STRAW TEK
    #26456279 - 01/28/20 05:30 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

i get so much straw and its nice looking stuff. how do i prepare it to use for oysters and mixing with dung for cubes?  i have a nice plate of black oysters i bouht at a market in peru, its colonized fast. i have a jar of cube myc on grain.

how do i prepare the straw? its been raining kinda so its a little bit dampnot sopping. do i just shake free of excess water and throw in bags and pc?????????

i see people have grown cubes on just straw grain thats crazy.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: yojay50]
    #26456283 - 01/28/20 05:37 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

if one looks up straw tek or anything straw its all shit from 01-08.

we should figure out a new straw tek, maybe i try at one soon idk.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: yojay50]
    #26456291 - 01/28/20 05:50 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Try this thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/644276#644276

Straw isnt used very often since grains are easier to control/mix. But some people still use straw.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26456313 - 01/28/20 06:25 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

My personal success with oysters on straw has been narrow. Though a lot of people swear by it. I had much better success on wood chips, and sawdust.

If you insist on straw I suggest running it though a leaf mulcher, or Lawn Mowing it.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: wildernessjunkie] * 1
    #26456316 - 01/28/20 06:27 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Also. If a method is highly successful, it gets a lot of attention. And if its not, then if falls by the wayside. Sooo...that might be an indicator as well.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26456372 - 01/28/20 07:23 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

dung and straw is still used a shit ton.

im going to use dung with straw for cubes and straw for oysters.

im going to put some colonized oyster agar into 2 4lb straw bags.

i know i should prob use grain to inoculate the straw but im curious to see how the mycelium takes to just straw. i hear good things.

straw is good for oysters cause they eat wood stuffs.

just straw for cubes isnt right. the straw is for adding aeration to dung cause dung can be crazy poo brick alone. unless you use horse poo. which is already good to go.  maybe i just use straw for oysters and go shovel a bunch of horse shit.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #26456651 - 01/28/20 11:12 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Good point. Since straw isnt very popular, theres not a lot of threads on it. It seems like more work involved compared to other substrate types.

But OP is set on Straw so thats the direction for OP.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26456664 - 01/28/20 11:18 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Good point. Since straw isnt very popular, theres not a lot of threads on it. It seems like more work involved compared to other substrate types.

But OP is set on Straw so thats the direction for OP.




ye im only set on it for now, to see how it comes out. i hear REALLY good things lol. im gonna colonize a 10lb bag of wheat berries with oyster and then use that to inoculate a crap ton of straw. ill take pics when everything rounding out.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: yojay50]
    #26456692 - 01/28/20 11:40 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Idk why you would use straw or where, especially for cubes, but here:
1) mix powdered dung and straw in large bowl with a bit of vermiculite
2) add water until you reach field capacity
3) load into quart jars but DO NOT PACK
4) get a probe thermometer
5) put foil over the top and screw the jar bands on
6) place probe in the center of one jar
7) heat jars to 140f for 1-3 hrs

Just pasteurize the mixture and if your culture likes it it will grow on it. If not it won’t. It’s not really the optimal method for growing cubes. Just use grain and coconut coir/pith


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26456715 - 01/28/20 11:55 AM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Idk why you would use straw or where, especially for cubes, but here:
1) mix powdered dung and straw in large bowl with a bit of vermiculite
2) add water until you reach field capacity
3) load into quart jars but DO NOT PACK
4) get a probe thermometer
5) put foil over the top and screw the jar bands on
6) place probe in the center of one jar
7) heat jars to 140f for 1-3 hrs

Just pasteurize the mixture and if your culture likes it it will grow on it. If not it won’t. It’s not really the optimal method for growing cubes. Just use grain and coconut coir/pith



I think this is pretty much right. I wouldn't powder the straw idk if that's even possible but instead chop it. Depending on how much straw you use you may have to soak it separately in water to hydrate. Some dish soap can be added to the he soak water for a wetting agent.
I'd pasteurized a little higher than 140 I try to keep it at about 153-160f for 1 hour. No longer.
I dont soak my straw seperate but I also dont use pure straw I think I'm using like 25 percent maybe. I use one packed quart to like 3 or 4 quarts compost and sometimes coir and or verm. I have no set recipe.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26456731 - 01/28/20 12:07 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Ive just started growing oysters on straw using the bucket tek
Been using the cold pasteurizing method of simply adding calcium hydroxide to water then adding straw-leave to soak for 12-24 hours-drain-leave straw to drain/dry for a hour or so then layering into bucket with 12mm holes drilled every 15cm or so.
From what I read sawdust/soy hulls/woodchips may give better results/yields-And cold pasterizing is not very reliable doing larger amounts but Im just doing it this way to get a feel for them with what I have locally available and using what I have round the house.
Touch wood havnt had any contam problems yet and have been eating loads of oysters.

Grown cubes/pans on unpasteurized straw/dung mixes outdoors-they love it-
Wouldnt try this indoors thou without pasteurizing.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26456796 - 01/28/20 12:49 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

You can cut a hole in a 60qrt tub put a weed eater head in it. Load straw, close lid and go to town.

Then add really hot water and dish soap.. I think this is RR's method. It's been years...

Then let the straw sit in the hot water for 1 he and load into bags.

Pasteurize your dung. I would lay it out on a tarp and let it fully dry in the sun, then break it up and food process it and mix it with some vermiculite and bag it.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: jbgtaa]
    #26457330 - 01/28/20 06:03 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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jbgtaa said:
Idk why you would use straw or where, especially for cubes, but here:
1) mix powdered dung and straw in large bowl with a bit of vermiculite
2) add water until you reach field capacity
3) load into quart jars but DO NOT PACK
4) get a probe thermometer
5) put foil over the top and screw the jar bands on
6) place probe in the center of one jar
7) heat jars to 140f for 1-3 hrs

Just pasteurize the mixture and if your culture likes it it will grow on it. If not it won’t. It’s not really the optimal method for growing cubes. Just use grain and coconut coir/pith




im using it for oysters.

for cubes im using it instead of vermiculite. poop and straw, one of the best substrates for cubensis.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: Zifozonke]
    #26457345 - 01/28/20 06:08 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Ive just started growing oysters on straw using the bucket tek
Been using the cold pasteurizing method of simply adding calcium hydroxide to water then adding straw-leave to soak for 12-24 hours-drain-leave straw to drain/dry for a hour or so then layering into bucket with 12mm holes drilled every 15cm or so.
From what I read sawdust/soy hulls/woodchips may give better results/yields-And cold pasterizing is not very reliable doing larger amounts but Im just doing it this way to get a feel for them with what I have locally available and using what I have round the house.
Touch wood havnt had any contam problems yet and have been eating loads of oysters.

Grown cubes/pans on unpasteurized straw/dung mixes outdoors-they love it-
Wouldnt try this indoors thou without pasteurizing.




yea straw is really good for oysters it seems. i mean youre eating a bunch so its working.

for vubes im going to make a suitable substrate by putting dry cow or horse dung (whatever i have available at the time of need) with straw and get the whole thing to field capacity. then im putting it in oven bags in the pc for 2 hours at 15 psi. after that its just a waiting game. the worst game ever


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: Sockadin]
    #26457348 - 01/28/20 06:09 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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You can cut a hole in a 60qrt tub put a weed eater head in it. Load straw, close lid and go to town.

Then add really hot water and dish soap.. I think this is RR's method. It's been years...

Then let the straw sit in the hot water for 1 he and load into bags.

Pasteurize your dung. I would lay it out on a tarp and let it fully dry in the sun, then break it up and food process it and mix it with some vermiculite and bag it.




i just cut it to size with a box cutter. works perfectly.

its doesnt have to be shredded. sure its better. but ill just make sure everything works. thats our job as cultivators


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: yojay50]
    #26457387 - 01/28/20 06:31 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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yojay50 said:
Then im putting it in oven bags in the pc for 2 hours at 15 psi. after that its just a waiting game. the worst game ever




Sounds like the mold game if you are spawning grains to pced poop.


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: yojay50]
    #26457399 - 01/28/20 06:36 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)


chop straw into 1 to 3 inch pieces or toss in a blender.
bring it to field capacity ( can even dye it)
load into jars in your pc
bring cold water halfway up the jars and crank the heat, once the water starts steaming and trys to bubble shut the heat off and put the lid on the pc.
after 20 minutes my temps are about 160.
these temps will hold for a couple hours in the pc , check after 60 minutes but I never need to add anymore heat.
tip: pack the jars tight


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: cronicr]
    #26457411 - 01/28/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)


oh then spawn it lol.
And spawning to sterile manure is fine as long as it stays sterile


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: cronicr]
    #26457423 - 01/28/20 06:45 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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chop straw into 1 to 3 inch pieces or toss in a blender.
bring it to field capacity ( can even dye it)
load into jars in your pc
bring cold water halfway up the jars and crank the heat, once the water starts steaming and trys to bubble shut the heat off and put the lid on the pc.
after 20 minutes my temps are about 160.
these temps will hold for a couple hours in the pc , check after 60 minutes but I never need to add anymore heat.
tip: pack the jars tight



So I have a couple questions.
Are you soaking to get to field capacity or just adding water to chopped straw?
Also how are you measuring temps and do you monitor core temps at all?


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Re: Cant find anything on STRAW TEK [Re: gizmo1]
    #26457431 - 01/28/20 06:49 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

just adding water, it soaks it up pretty quick


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