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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: mudskippa]
    #26454535 - 01/27/20 05:54 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

Have you ever tried kratom? Shit changed my life. No more pain pills. No more brain pills. Just a couple glasses full of green sludge a day and I'm good. The down side is that it's hard to get a consistent product. But once you find a strain and a farm that you like stick with it. Greens for getting stuff done reds for calming down. Good luck whatever you do I hope something works out for ya.


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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: Bph]
    #26454619 - 01/27/20 06:52 AM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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Bph said:
Have you ever tried kratom? Shit changed my life. No more pain pills. No more brain pills. Just a couple glasses full of green sludge a day and I'm good. The down side is that it's hard to get a consistent product. But once you find a strain and a farm that you like stick with it. Greens for getting stuff done reds for calming down. Good luck whatever you do I hope something works out for ya.




Thank you. I'd not considered Kratom due to high addiction potential in someone like me with past addiction problems. Mind you, I was always about the dopamine (alcohol, sugar, caffeine, nicotine) and not the opioids. Actually opioids do nothing for my disorder. Codeine doesn't touch the sides.

I may as well get into my specific issue seeing as people are being kind enough to offer potential solutions.

I basically have a Sensory Gating Disorder. I do NOT have autism. I have not always been like this. I endured one big trauma too many after a childhood full of it. This led to me becoming massively sensitive to sensory inputs.

Movement and light are excruciating, especially if I have to concentrate. I literally have to wear sunglasses everywhere or I get dizzy, nauseous, confused, and migrainey. I have symptoms all the time, even on waking, and they just worsen with exposure to sensory inputs. It's like my body has reacted to the trauma by saying "No, everything is too much now! Don't go anywhere or do anything."

Diazepam works for me because it is a CNS depressant and also a GABA agonist. Painkillers and migraine meds don't work. Beta blockers don't work and actully make me feel awful as I have low blood pressure. My fight-flight response slowed to a freeze due to my childhood, so I don't need my adrenal system to be blocked.

If diazepam had no tolerance or addiction issues and didn't affect the memory, I'd just take that every day. From what I know, Muscimol does not have these issues. I may be wrong, which is why I am posting on here. I do not live somewhere where it's easy to get Amanita, but if it would help me, I would make every effort to get it.

If anyone else had childhood trauma, became an alcoholic, and then developed a CNS disorder, it would be well worth reading this science paper which pretty much confirms why I want to try Muscimol for the GABA-A2-specfic effect.


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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: mudskippa]
    #26455432 - 01/27/20 03:23 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

You could always extract
The fly agaric.
Haven’t read up on it
Much but I think the
Extraction process is alcohol
Based.
Never tried it myself but
I know vendors sell
Fly agaric extract.


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The mushrooms are great.
The mushrooms are fine.
Give me them with lashings of wine.


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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: ft116]
    #26455591 - 01/27/20 05:09 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

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ft116 said:
You could always extract
The fly agaric.
Haven’t read up on it
Much but I think the
Extraction process is alcohol
Based.
Never tried it myself but
I know vendors sell
Fly agaric extract.




Thank you. As a recovering alkie, I literally can't have alcohol in my house at all. I can't even have cough medicine or mouthwash with alcohol in as it sets up huge cravings. I found some good information on how to prepare it myself.

To convert the maximum amount to Muscimol, which is what I want, there are 3 steps:
1: Bake it at 75 degrees Celsius
2. Simmer it in water for 20 mins
4. Lemon-tek it
I'm thinking of trying baking it, grinding it, then adding small doses to lemon juice and just-boiled water to make a cup of tea whenever I need it.

It's actually easy to order dried caps online as it's legal in this country. I thought it would be much harder! Quite excited about trying this now, as I've been stuck in bed feeling crap for 3 days and I could do with a break soon.


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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: mudskippa]
    #26456030 - 01/27/20 09:07 PM (4 years, 20 days ago)

I took diazepam for the first time ever recently. After it kicked in and obliterated my anxiety, I was like “oh my god, this drug is wonderful, I bet it’s highly addictive”. And as it turns out, it is. I resolved to use it very seldom.


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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: igorcarajo]
    #26456246 - 01/28/20 04:10 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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igorcarajo said:
I took diazepam for the first time ever recently. After it kicked in and obliterated my anxiety, I was like “oh my god, this drug is wonderful, I bet it’s highly addictive”. And as it turns out, it is. I resolved to use it very seldom.




You are wise. By the way, I know what that feels like. I used to have social anxiety disorder so bad that it was painful to leave the house. I became an alcoholic by the age of 18 just to function. The first time I had to take antibiotics, the doctor gave me diazepam to detox. I remember going to uni just feeling what I understand now is "normal".

There are good ways to treat anxiety disorders. I got rid of mine by using a combination of hypnotherapy and bodywork 15 years ago. That worked so well that I have considered using the same thing for my Neuropsychiatric stuff. But I would struggle to go to a practitioner's office in my current state.

Whatever you do, you need to work on the root cause of anxiety if possible to prevent reoccurrence. If my Muscaria experiment works, I'm hoping it will give me the chance to do something more than pure symptom relief, since my illness is down to my propensity to psychosomatise trauma.


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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: mudskippa]
    #26456251 - 01/28/20 04:19 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

You can make a tea of a big batch of mushrooms (say 20g with 20 cups of water), then separate it into small doses (like 1g per cup).
You can freeze the tea to keep it long term. Then you have a pool of consistent doses.

You can also pour the tea into ice-cube trays, to have some micro doses.

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Re: Low dose Amanita muscaria as a sub for Diazepam? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26456253 - 01/28/20 04:39 AM (4 years, 19 days ago)

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Pandemoon said:
You can make a tea of a big batch of mushrooms (say 20g with 20 cups of water), then separate it into small doses (like 1g per cup).
You can freeze the tea to keep it long term. Then you have a pool of consistent doses.

You can also pour the tea into ice-cube trays, to have some micro doses.

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Thanks, but I share a freezer, so I can't really do that. Would it work the way I was going to do it? I was thinking of just baking a batch up, grinding, storing in a drawer with some desiccant to keep it dark and dry. Then using some mini-scales to measure out doses and add kettle-boiled water and a bit of lemon juice, maybe leaving for 20 mins? Obviously, if I did that, I'd have to use the same amount of lemon, water etc. each time.


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