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SAB misting?
    #26455740 - 01/27/20 06:27 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Do you have to mist all the walls with water of your SAB inside before inoculating? It seems like you could accidentally ruin your jars and everything if it happens to get on it. I was planning on cleaning the inside and outside with 70% isopropyl alcohol. Do you guys mist the walls with water after that? Is that a necessity?


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26455764 - 01/27/20 06:41 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I mist everything with 5% bleach water. Mist the walls and the air really well. The point is for the water mist to drop bringing down anything airborne with it.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Northman]
    #26455797 - 01/27/20 07:04 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I usually mist before putting stuff in, then wipe the surface on which I'm working with Iso, wipe my jars and stuff and put them in.

Sometimes stuff is already inside the SAB (e.g. Agar bottle cooling or fresh poured petris), so I put an Iso soaked paper towel over them and then mist the SAB.

I just think it's not so good to mist your airbornes onto your jars and dishes... but someone else might have a different opinion.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455818 - 01/27/20 07:15 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I should have gone into further detail, apologies. I will typically already have my stuff in there, however I ALWAYS wipe everything down with iso again after misting and again before using whatever it is I may be using.

For example when doing agar transfers, my petris and scalpel and new petris will all already be in there. I mist and let the air settle. I then will wipe down the colonized petri and the new petri with iso soaked paper towels. I then wipe my scalpel and flame sterilize. I will then proceed to do my transfer. When finished I wipe everything again before moving to the next transfer.

It might be overkill but I have prefer to be cautious and not waste.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26455822 - 01/27/20 07:17 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I mist with water first than with iso propol. There is a draw back, water drippin from the ceiling of the SAB. That's an issue. Not sure what to do with that....


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Northman]
    #26455835 - 01/27/20 07:22 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I should have gone into further detail, apologies. I will typically already have my stuff in there, however I ALWAYS wipe everything down with iso again after misting and again before using whatever it is I may be using.

For example when doing agar transfers, my petris and scalpel and new petris will all already be in there. I mist and let the air settle. I then will wipe down the colonized petri and the new petri with iso soaked paper towels. I then wipe my scalpel and flame sterilize. I will then proceed to do my transfer. When finished I wipe everything again before moving to the next transfer.

It might be overkill but I have prefer to be cautious and not waste.




As I'm relatively new to this, I might be wrong (and corrected fast for sure :wink: ) but if you have contaminants in the air and "wash" them onto your dishes, it could be that you don't catch them all by wiping again after the mist.

Also, e.g, you have your petris upside down (agar on top) lying in your SAB. If you mist then, the contams will fall into the slits between the lids and the bottom of your dishes. You can't wipe with Iso there...

So for me the risk of contaminating stuff would be to high. I'd always either cover my stuff with paper towels or put it in after misting. Just my 2ct


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26455837 - 01/27/20 07:22 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I mist with water first than with iso propol. There is a draw back, water drippin from the ceiling of the SAB. That's an issue. Not sure what to do with that....




Why not just wipe it away with an Iso soaked paper towel?

Edit: Misting with Iso makes a bomb... :lol:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455839 - 01/27/20 07:23 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Hmmm....why didn't I think of that :strokebeard:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26455841 - 01/27/20 07:24 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I've never had water drop from the ceiling of the sab before. I mist enough to thoroughly saturate the air but not enough for water to collect at the top.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Northman]
    #26455846 - 01/27/20 07:25 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I've never had water drop from the ceiling of the sab before. I mist enough to thoroughly saturate the air but not enough for water to collect at the top.




Hm, if I make two-three pumps, I have droplets on the ceiling


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Northman]
    #26455849 - 01/27/20 07:27 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I keep Pettis right side up in the sab and they are wrapped with parafilm/syran until I am ready to use them. I simply wipe them down, remove the film, wipe again and get to work.

This is just what works for me. Ideally I'd rather be working with a flow hood and not stress the sab. But in my many years of working with agar in a sab when I haven't had access to a flow hood, I've rarely had any contams.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Northman] * 1
    #26455853 - 01/27/20 07:30 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I never noticed water on the ceiling until one time I did a transfer and the second I put the lid back on a big drop landed square on the middle.

I spray air cleaner in first just cuz I have it then wipe ceiling and walls with Lysol wipes or iso towel.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26455863 - 01/27/20 07:36 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I don't bother spraying anything.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Sir Pentinite]
    #26455874 - 01/27/20 07:40 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

You been doing it a while?

I started out wiping and spraying everything but as time goes on I’m doing less and less.

Then you get to the point where you’re running dry SAB and not wearing gloves lol.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Northman]
    #26455875 - 01/27/20 07:40 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I keep Pettis right side up in the sab and they are wrapped with parafilm/syran until I am ready to use them. I simply wipe them down, remove the film, wipe again and get to work.

This is just what works for me. Ideally I'd rather be working with a flow hood and not stress the sab. But in my many years of working with agar in a sab when I haven't had access to a flow hood, I've rarely had any contams.




As I have occasional condensation on the lids, I always keep them with the agar on top. I guess this is how I got used to it. Write on the back, keep them upside down, put them in after misting.

Of course, if it works for you, it works. That's the most important thing. :wink:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26455877 - 01/27/20 07:42 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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You been doing it a while?

I started out wiping and spraying everything but as time goes on I’m doing less and less.

Then you get to the point where you’re running dry SAB and not wearing gloves lol.




Yeah, until you hit contamination. Then you take care more again, until it lessens and lessens again. :lol: Live is mostly a (sine-)wave.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455890 - 01/27/20 07:48 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I will Lysol the air in the SAB, but let be honest those things only work half the time. You put your hands in. You pull them out. I mean a still Air box is a lot of work.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26455894 - 01/27/20 07:52 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I will Lysol the air in the SAB, but let be honest those things only work half the time. You put your hands in. You pull them out. I mean a still Air box is a lot of work.




Isn't that dangerous, especially if you keep your burner close to the SAB?

For working with spores you'd still need a SAB, right?


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455896 - 01/27/20 07:53 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I was thinking of misting before I put everything in, I just didn't know if it would be a problem opening the SAB back up after misting with water to put my stuff in? I have some jars and a syringe, no agar.

I'm going to wipe down with iso, but then mist with water. I feel like misting inside with everything already inside could be a problem because there is a higher risk of something getting on my items correct? With it being my first time doing bulk and a SAB I don't want to make the mistake of something misting or dropping on my stuff.

So opening the SAB back up after misting is okay then?


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Sockadin] * 2
    #26455899 - 01/27/20 07:55 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Why mist when you don’t have to? Trust in gravity, your SAB works for a reason. I don’t wipe down my SAB, I don’t mist anything, I clean my SAB maybe once a month, maybe not even. It’s as easy as wiping down whatever you load into your dry-ass SAB and wiping your gloves down here and there as you work. Focus on refining your technique, hand efficiency and finesse.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26455904 - 01/27/20 07:57 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I was thinking of misting before I put everything in, I just didn't know if it would be a problem opening the SAB back up after misting with water to put my stuff in? I have some jars and a syringe, no agar.

I'm going to wipe down with iso, but then mist with water. I feel like misting inside with everything already inside could be a problem because there is a higher risk of something getting on my items correct? With it being my first time doing bulk and a SAB I don't want to make the mistake of something misting or dropping on my stuff.

So opening the SAB back up after misting is okay then?




Why would you open it up? I put everything through the arm holes. They have to be quite big anyway so you don't have air currents around your arms when you put them in or pull them out. If the holes are big enough you'll have no air suction.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: vc77] * 1
    #26455905 - 01/27/20 07:57 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

To mist or not to mist, that is the question.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: vc77] * 1
    #26455906 - 01/27/20 07:58 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: SAB misting? [Re: A.k.a]
    #26455908 - 01/27/20 07:59 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

So you think it is sufficient enough to just wipe everything down with iso and that should be good?

I definitely don't want to spray any iso because I will need to light a flame to sterilize my needle in between.

I'm still weary about even misting with water. I feel like something is going to get on my stuff and screw it up with it being my first.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: vc77]
    #26455909 - 01/27/20 07:59 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Why mist when you don’t have to? Trust in gravity, your SAB works for a reason. I don’t wipe down my SAB, I don’t mist anything, I clean my SAB maybe once a month, maybe not even. It’s as easy as wiping down whatever you load into your dry-ass SAB and wiping your gloves down here and there as you work. Focus on refining your technique, hand efficiency and finesse.




I think we mostly mist, because the TEKs say so and we think the Kung Fu of our masters is better than ours :lol:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455910 - 01/27/20 08:00 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I didn't know you meant put it through the holes. This is my first time with a SAB.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26455913 - 01/27/20 08:00 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

I personally spray the work surface with 70% iso and wipe with a paper towel then do the exact same thing to all interior sides of the SAB, and the front where the arm holes are located. So basically everything is slightly damp but not dripping wet. Seems to work for me. :shrug:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26455915 - 01/27/20 08:02 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I didn't know you meant put it through the holes. This is my first time with a SAB.




Put your stuff through the same holes you put your arms in. Don't open the SAB.


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    #26455919 - 01/27/20 08:04 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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I personally spray the work surface with 70% iso and wipe with a paper towel then do the exact same thing to all interior sides of the SAB, and the front where the arm holes are located. So basically everything is slightly damp but not dripping wet. Seems to work for me. :shrug:




Idk but to me this sounds like waiting for trouble. You will have fine alcohol mist floating around. Now turn on your burner and with a bit of bad luck you'll get an explosion. Even if you can handle the risk, I think we shouldn't tell newbies to do it like that.


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    #26455921 - 01/27/20 08:05 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

these sab threads always turn into confess your sab facepalm:facepalm3:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: mushboy]
    #26455922 - 01/27/20 08:06 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

So lets say you live in a room that isn't exactly clean. Would you recommend spraying the SAB or would you still go dry?


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    #26455923 - 01/27/20 08:06 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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This sounds interesting. Need to try that one.


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    #26455931 - 01/27/20 08:09 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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So lets say you live in a room that isn't exactly clean. Would you recommend spraying the SAB?




nobodys room is clean, clean. if you got moldy cups of juice or crusty jizz socks laying around then clean the room first.

then try a dry sab run and see what happens. my room has a cat box used by 4 cats. carpet, moldy window sills.. 100yr old row house.

plus my pot smoking self and all my filth:spaceman:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455934 - 01/27/20 08:10 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

You shouldn’t have a flame inside the box.

Apparently people will use sabs outside with no problems according to one of the last discussions on this.

As long as you give the air time to settle and don’t have currents in the room it shouldn’t matter how dirty it is.


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    #26455937 - 01/27/20 08:10 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

:awelol: Roger that.


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    #26455945 - 01/27/20 08:13 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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You shouldn’t have a flame inside the box.





Even if your flame is outside the box it is IMO too dangerous to spray alcohol. I guess that's why all TEKs suggest soapy water or nothing at all like mushboy's DSAB.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455948 - 01/27/20 08:14 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

contaminates and practicals also stick to soapy water. thats the main reason. and ya... soapy water vapor wont ignite.


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    #26455951 - 01/27/20 08:15 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Should I take off all the foil on my jars before going in the SAB? Or I need to take them off and put them back on all inside the SAB?


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    #26455953 - 01/27/20 08:16 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Prietenul said:I think we mostly mist, because the TEKs say so and we think the Kung Fu of our masters is better than ours :lol:




Oh I know :tongue:

We’re talking about gravity and air-currents here. Misting your SAB with anything is simply an unnecessary step. It does more harm than good. If it makes you feel better wipe down the insides with ISO and let it dry completely before you begin your work. Or don’t. It won’t be the reason you succeed or fail. I stand by my initial advice: Technique and finesse. That’s what translates into success. Fucking up your visibility and getting everything wet with a mist bomb is straight up blooper-town IMO


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    #26455957 - 01/27/20 08:18 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Prietenul said:I think we mostly mist, because the TEKs say so and we think the Kung Fu of our masters is better than ours :lol:




Oh I know :tongue:

We’re talking about gravity and air-currents here. Misting your SAB with anything is simply an unnecessary step. It does more harm than good. If it makes you feel better wipe down the insides with ISO and let it dry completely before you begin your work. Or don’t. It won’t be the reason you succeed or fail. I stand by my initial advice: Technique and finesse. That’s what translates into success. Fucking up your visibility and getting everything wet with a mist bomb is straight up blooper-town IMO




Yeah, I know that an experienced fighter pilot can do funny tricks and stuff, but you wouldn't teach that to someone who does his first flight (as OP is). :tongue:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26455960 - 01/27/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Should I take off all the foil on my jars before going in the SAB? Or I need to take them off and put them back on all inside the SAB?




I put them in SAB right after PCing with foil on top. When they're cool I spray and then take the foil off. Foil is just to prevent water from dripping onto them. It's not needed after PC anymore.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26455961 - 01/27/20 08:20 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

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Re: SAB misting? [Re: vc77]
    #26455963 - 01/27/20 08:21 PM (4 years, 2 days ago)

Looking at all those threads in this forum, I'd say there are people who'd disagree.  :smile:

But hey, as said, what works for you, works for you.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul] * 1
    #26456039 - 01/27/20 09:11 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

A couple years ago I noticed I was getting bacteria when misting. Been dry ever since. Also don't wipe my jars and don't clean my SAB (it will never really be clean anyway).


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26456811 - 01/28/20 12:56 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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I will Lysol the air in the SAB, but let be honest those things only work half the time. You put your hands in. You pull them out. I mean a still Air box is a lot of work.




Isn't that dangerous, especially if you keep your burner close to the SAB?

For working with spores you'd still need a SAB, right?



So let me be more clear. I will Lysol the sides and topinside of the SAB then I walk away for a while. Drink a beer smoke a cigarette and after 15 minuets I will go back clean all my tools and get to work. I have never had an issue with Lysol, but if it is flameable please don't do what I just said. For the last 6 years I have used my flow hood.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Sockadin] * 1
    #26456864 - 01/28/20 01:29 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

If a sab is a lot of work then you are doing it wrong.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: mushboy]
    #26456951 - 01/28/20 02:21 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

I think I'm just going to go with the basic wipe down of everything with iso and that's it. Everything else being said seems so overwhelming that it almost makes we just want to do it open air.

So far the hardest thing about my SAB is making the holes and filing them to make them smooth which I still need to do tonight. I'll probably do that while I PC.


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    #26456963 - 01/28/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

There ya go. Just focus on your technique and the SAB will do what it’s supposed to.

If you have 50$ and some time to spare I would recommend picking up a small Dremel tool from your local hardware store. Something like this https://www.homedepot.com/p/Dremel-200-Series-1-15-Amp-Dual-Speed-Corded-Rotary-Tool-Kit-with-15-Accessories-and-1-Attachment-200-1-15/202349458



I use it to make lids and all sorts of other projects for other shit I do.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26456975 - 01/28/20 02:45 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Fuck it man next time I'm wiping the inside down, laying down a damp towel since I dont have racks yet and going in dry. I keep having bacteria issues. It's getting to the point that its pissing me off. I know my technique is on point. It may be the misting. I always lay an iso soaked towel on a pasty and work on top of that. My technique hasn't changed but my contamination rates have.

Anyone have links to good sab and agar videos? I've watched bods, munchs and mushboys.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Drboomer]
    #26457004 - 01/28/20 02:56 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

I use 70 iso and leave it dripping on the sides. I work my sab wet. Anything in the bottom isnt necessary. Its all about technique.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Drboomer] * 1
    #26457012 - 01/28/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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I keep having bacteria issues..





When and where? Sometimes excessive bacteria can be from improper sterilization(not venting)


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: psycho_nauticus]
    #26457018 - 01/28/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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So far the hardest thing about my SAB is making the holes and filing them to make them smooth which I still need to do tonight. I'll probably do that while I PC.




I just took an old pot, put it on the stove upside down until it was hot, and then pressed it against the front of my SAB. Gave me some nice clean concentric armholes.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul]
    #26457032 - 01/28/20 03:10 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Metal coffee cans work amazingly as well.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Crackatoa]
    #26457054 - 01/28/20 03:18 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

I was having bacteria problems on plates and somebody told me to make sure to get the whole blade red hot not just the top half. Didn’t think that would make a lot of difference but turns out it did help a lot.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: mushboy]
    #26457146 - 01/28/20 04:03 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

I do vent for sure set a 10 min timer. It usually shows up after the plate starts growing. A few satellite contams and often my plates start growing out hit a section and go aerial. I'm assuming it's an unseen spot of bacteria. The growth all around it stays uniform. Just that area goes aerial. I keep transferring away but it keeps happening. It's not all plates just maybe 20%  I've even gone so far as to hold the scalpel by the very end. I think I'm going to try cutting nutes by 25% (munches pda recipie)and do my next few transfers dry. Maybe I'm pulling in an unseen water droplet in with my scalpel. It's not dripping wet but I get condensation in the box.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul] * 2
    #26457182 - 01/28/20 04:23 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

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Misting with Iso makes a bomb... :lol:




I wiped with 97% iso and then sprayed with Lysol and waited 30 min to sterilize my knife in the SAB. I blew myself up like a dumb-ass and had 1st and 2nd degree burns and no hair on my arms. It could have gone much worse.

Be careful out there...


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Goombas69]
    #26457232 - 01/28/20 04:51 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah, most of the TEKs I read, tell you to never mist your SAB with anything flammable, be it Lysol or Iso or whatever.

That's why I don't do it. Pure and simple :wink:

Lately I had great success with this "Biopsy Transfer":

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25133936

I don't think I'll ever do it differently, and now I have 200 scalpel blades, that I can use for cutting caps off of shrooms :lol:


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: Prietenul] * 1
    #26457252 - 01/28/20 05:04 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Just dont flame anything inside and you are fine. I use a bernzotorch and an exacto knife. I dont sit scalpals in 70 iso thats asking for a fire.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: eatyualive] * 1
    #26457412 - 01/28/20 06:42 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

How? 70% iso wont combust with room temp/cooled blades.

The risk is putting red hot blades(post flaming) into a confined space with iso vapor. But you know that.


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Re: SAB misting? [Re: mushboy]
    #26457579 - 01/28/20 08:12 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Let it settle before doing any work.

Never caught anything  on fire other than a microwave with some coir. :facepalm:

I leave the sides, top and bottom dripping with alc. you can kinda see it in this gif if you look closely. I spray it initially first. Close my sab holes with my cent covers and then open as i wipe down plates with an alc costed paper towel. By the time im doing work its been a few minutes since the alc has been sprayed. Flame outside and away from your sab. Ive brought s blazing hot blade into my sab thousands of times.



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Re: SAB misting? [Re: eatyualive]
    #26475221 - 02/08/20 09:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Did my first dry run a week ago. Just wiped the walls down liberally with iso, wiped the floor with a soapy wet paper towel since indent have racks and worked  on top of other pastry plates. 20 transfers 0 contams. Literally zero.even way transfering from mold and bacteria infected plates. I expected to lose a couple of those. Maybe its th better visibility maybe the humid air was holding contams I dunno, but it worked.


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