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PF TEK, Advice needed 1
#26455493 - 01/27/20 04:00 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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Dear growers, I’m in need of voices of experience. I’m just getting ready for the PF TEK. Made holes in the jars. Got a base to get the jars off from water in the PC. Did the mix o 2:1:1.
Stopped in the mix and became full of doubts if this is right. The consistency of the mix is much like mud. The field capacity seems to be spot on but on the other photos I see from PF TEK cakes the visual aspect of it seems to be much more granulated not so much like mud.
Can you guys give it a look and feedback?








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Edited by G-Spot (01/27/20 04:20 PM)
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26455522 - 01/27/20 04:21 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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You didn't get the ingredients around the wrong way (2 BRF:1 verm)? The other thing is to ensure you aren't packing it down, you can squeeze tp check field capacity but the fluff it up again.
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2 parts verm, then 1 part water, then 1 part BRF.
When mixing I did it like I was mixing a dough for a cake or a pizza. This is saying I used my hands and I did use some force to ensure the mixing is throughly.
It looks weird doesn’t it?
The mixture stay very easily compacted..! It’s not airy or fluffy at all. In the o picture of the filled up jar you see, I tried to crumble it up. But still, it looks as it looks. It doesn’t crumble much, it stays together like glue.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot] 1
#26455560 - 01/27/20 04:51 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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Toss that and try again. I am with the other poster, looks like 5 parts BRF 2 parts Verm and 2 parts water.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: Sockadin]
#26455569 - 01/27/20 04:58 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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Will try.
I used the same coffee cup as a measurement tool. So I think there some other factor here..!
Do you guys think it was because I mixed it with too much force?
Speculation - Too much force would make the verm disincorporate, making it more similar to flour and resulting in this mess. (?)
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26455828 - 01/27/20 07:20 PM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yeah definitely start over. The consistency should feel like damp sand from a beach near the water. You do not want wet PF mixture! Has to be damp only.
I find that having two separate measuring cups works best. One for flour and one for water only. Its nice to have a set.
My mix is:
2/3 cup vermiculite first 1/4 cup water next 1/4 cup BRF last
Then mix well with a spoon then your hands.
Works perfect for me.
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Yeah that is, for lack of a better term, totally fucked. What kind of verm are you using? Secondly it should mix very easily and require little to no force. The consistency will be somewhat like slightly damp potting soil. If you don't have any measuring cups two identical cylindrical containers like mugs that you mentioned will work fine, one for the water and the other for the dry ingredients. Good luck and keep us posted!
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: bootedboy]
#26456198 - 01/28/20 02:42 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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did you put foil on your lid?
the foil on the lid is to keep the moisture out when you PC or steam your jars.
also, mix the verm with water first, then add the BRF.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: Ziran]
#26456206 - 01/28/20 02:55 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Just tried again. Looks better..! But still not perfect, I would say. I mixed them much more gently, didn’t use hands, used wooden spoon.
Hi Ziran! I’m following your updated PF TEK guide 
This is still before PC’ing them. I’m still just making the mix.
Here follow some pictures. I also include the Verm that I’m using and the flour.
What do you guys think? Maybe I should reduce a bit on water ratio?





Edited by G-Spot (01/28/20 03:03 AM)
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26456214 - 01/28/20 03:19 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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This is a photo from the cake when turned up side down after it had been sitting in the jar for more than 10mins.

It looks too wet. Should I add more verm or BRF to achieve a desired consistency and state?
Also, Can I add verm or BRF to make adjustments after the mix is done? Or does one need to start over?
Edited by G-Spot (01/28/20 03:23 AM)
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26456232 - 01/28/20 03:57 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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| have added more verm to the mix that’s was already done. The mix was already getting more dry from being airing/sitting. With the added verm it looks much better. The spoon even gained a smiley face!!!  Should it even have more verm? Should it be even more dry?


Apart from that. This is the PC I have. I have never used a PC. (I’m a Mac user, ahaha) It has no valve. To clear my mind of doubts. I turn the PC on and let it on venting for 10mins aprox. After that I add this two 50KPa valves (equals more or less to 7.5 psi each). I only start the clock for 60mins when this 50KPa valves start hissing??

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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26456290 - 01/28/20 05:47 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Still too wet. It shouldnt be chunky like that. What are your mixing amounts? Do u add the BRF last?
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I’m doing 2:1:1.
In the last photo I have added more verm. So maybe it is something like 2.5:1:1
And yes, I’m adding the BRF last after adding the water to the verm.
I have another verm that is less chunky. Will try to use that instead and see the results. Will also try to put this verm into a blender, do the mix and see the results.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot] 1
#26456363 - 01/28/20 07:14 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Now I think the problem is really the size of the verm.
I tried to make the verm smaller but it’s still to chunky.
Tried to use a finer smaller verm and it looks much better! Is this now in an ideal condition?
Small verm mix


Jar on the left = bigger mix that I tried to make smaller (feels humid to the touch) Jar on the right = smaller verm mix (feels like sand)
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26456427 - 01/28/20 08:08 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Seems whiter than most I've seen... usually more brownish...maybe you need a coarser verm. Last batch looks like it may get work
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: Neowynd8]
#26456460 - 01/28/20 08:43 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Double check you actually are using Vermiculite cuz it looks like Perlite.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: Ps.NoName]
#26456464 - 01/28/20 08:49 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Neowynd8, coarser means finer or bigger? I also have that feeling that the last batch can pull it off (;
Ps.NoName, I have posted a picture of the verm that I’m using. Yes, in the final mix it’s kinda of doubtful, looks whiter than most example I could find. Don’t know why but the organic flour that I’m using does seem to be ‘strong’.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26456471 - 01/28/20 08:54 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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I guess it was the picture exposure makes it look whiter like perlite.
Instead of brown rice flour I always coffee ground whole brown rice. I would buy whatever brown rice looked the best and/or had the most calories by weight. Uncle Ben's or some Asian brand usually. Works fine.
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: Ps.NoName]
#26456477 - 01/28/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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Yes, I though about doing that process...! Didn’t want to buy a grinder so I choose to just buy flour. But for sure in the long run it might be worth it to switch to that process of myself grinding the brown rice. (:
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Re: PF TEK, Advice needed [Re: G-Spot]
#26456598 - 01/28/20 10:35 AM (4 years, 1 day ago) |
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G-Spot said: Neowynd8, coarser means finer or bigger? I also have that feeling that the last batch can pull it off (;
Ps.NoName, I have posted a picture of the verm that I’m using. Yes, in the final mix it’s kinda of doubtful, looks whiter than most example I could find. Don’t know why but the organic flour that I’m using does seem to be ‘strong’.
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