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AZZI I have been following this post trying to understand exactly what you are saying. I feel like I am close, but then every other post I lose it. I donโt think you are being as clear in these posts as you believe you are.
I am of the opinion that silence has its place and words have their place. Neither is more or less appropriate or effective than the other, just different styles of communication. Words are more effective than silence for communicating complex ideas. Silence, combined with physical actions can be more effective for training someone to do a new task at work.
susurrador is pointing out something interesting, in a way more chill way than I could have. Please consider what he is saying if you haven't yet.
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susurrador said: Make big noise and get excited talking about
being quiet and calm.
I feel you, friend.
Thanks! Love.
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susurrador said: Make big noise and get excited talking about
being quiet and calm.
I feel you, friend.
The ideas I've been most intent on sharing with people in life have turned out to be me talking to myself about myself to another person.
Let's have some tea on it.
Thanks man.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461599 - 01/31/20 06:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Of course being receptive is beneficial. It's quite obvious that, if you're not keeping quiet (in mind and tongue), you're distracting your ability to thoroughly cognize the available information. In effect, you're agitating the water - obscuring your view to the bottom of the lake.
But when you say that this open-channel methodology grants you more power, you're saying that it becomes easier to manipulate the situations you involve yourself in. There's no inherent moral alignment to manipulation. I manipulate clay to create pottery. The problem with the fanatic enthusiasm about the approach (and where I draw parallels to Machiavelli) is that the lines get easily skewed into the manipulation of people. You mention chess and poker - both games where you can statistically analyze the situation in front of you based on the available information. But anyone who has played these games knows that, for the most part, you're playing your ability to read and deceive your opponents. So, to me, it's an odd example to use in the case of being receptive to inputs presented to you and sounds more like a method of manifesting personal gains by means of selective and concentrated thought.
I'm not coming from a place of malice. It's just an easy parallel to draw based on the available information.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461623 - 01/31/20 06:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thins are hard enough without the bullshit.
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makes me think of glass half full or half empty, same math in each case, but different angle, and lots of excitement in the fact that you could even have a different angle - and that is kinda power.
but words are a subset of thought, the power is in your perspective.
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redgreenvines said: makes me think of glass half full or half empty, same math in each case, but different angle, and lots of excitement in the fact that you could even have a different angle - and that is kinda power.
but words are a subset of thought, the power is in your perspective.
Swing and a miss. But nice try to talk down to me.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461691 - 01/31/20 07:43 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Aw, donโt be like that. Surely, if we are going to start getting hostile and defensive, this would be the perfect moment to find out if calm silence would actually make this thread more productive.
Because I do value language, I can see footpath isnโt meaning any harm, and might be showing potential issues that would be beneficial to work through. Maybe point out the specific spot you feel he is misunderstanding you? It would help me a lot too. Like I said, I feel like I know what you mean...... but then you post a bunch of words and then I lose it again. I find that extremely interesting, hence why I am following your thread. ๐
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461911 - 01/31/20 10:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: makes me think of glass half full or half empty, same math in each case, but different angle, and lots of excitement in the fact that you could even have a different angle - and that is kinda power.
but words are a subset of thought, the power is in your perspective.
Swing and a miss. But nice try to talk down to me.
I am not talking down to you, we are in different places, but neither is higher or lower. we are different, and that really has to be OK with you, cause it is with me.
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Thanks man. I appreciate that a lot. I apologize if I seem hesitant. I had been burned and seen the worst, I mean literally scarrring life behavior in online forums.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461928 - 01/31/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Glad you seem to think that, Green.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461935 - 01/31/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So it's pretty messed up when I say from the beginning, I do not like negativity in those things -- indeed, I hate it very much. Being a high class played myself, you can imagine I've met every kind of person...
In fact in the inter-disciplinary game of poker, 99% of the game is creating a friendly atmosphere, where people are having fun, enjoying themselves, and of course this has to be genuine.
These are people you see day after day, or week after week. Friends.
Whether the stakes are 3-6, or 1k-2k, human nature is exactly the same.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461979 - 01/31/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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When teaching chess, I do talk a fair amount. But in life, I don't talk so much.
But also, I don't distract when people are thinking.
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Thoughts are closer to the source, of both thoughts, words and speech. Let's say you have a wife or significant other.
To be an effective lover, and partner, you have to understand what she is thinking and feeling, not just what she is saying.
If you can understand her feelings, then you can relate and so forth.
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Let's say you have kids. Talking can help explain the world abd of course it's good.
But the ability to be quiet, to sit still and so forth is quintessential.
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It can basically overcome all things.
Of course activity is good. But even then, I guarantee you in many cases, 95% Or more, of the energy of the majority of people doesn't go into their goal, it goes into random thoughts and so forth.
. . Which of course is good also in some or many cases.
. . But let's say you are a hunter. Then, quiet is the main thing.
Then, you're back at home -- again, quiet alertness is very good....
Anyway, I rambled.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26461998 - 01/31/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you want to understand me you should understand how much I hate that our society is based on competition.
It's a good thing. Except when life's necessities are involved. Then it becomes a horror show.
Then it makes a mockery of -- nature's bounty, and goodness in the world.
So, if I can help people I always do.
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26462000 - 01/31/20 11:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Btw when I write I am peaceful.

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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
#26462089 - 01/31/20 12:41 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where you from Azzi?
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Same as you.
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#26462104 - 01/31/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Howdy neighbor!
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