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OfflineAZZI
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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26458201 - 01/29/20 08:59 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

Or "when the doors of perception are cleansed, all will appear to man as it is, infinite."


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26458211 - 01/29/20 09:03 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

I guess this is about the interesting relation between talking less, or being silent, and having more effect, and/or power. To simply work and get the job done, is pretty nice.

Place where this would be true; workplace, poker. But, the reason it may work is because most people don't think of it... Also, the reason the other may work is simply, shared beliief and so forth.

I.e., we talk because of shared faith (that talking is good), and it is. Partly because we believe it.

Anyway :smile:


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26458224 - 01/29/20 09:10 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

There's a bit of diminishing returns, however, although there's also benefits that come back. Oh, I was saying part of why it works is perhaps because of its rarity, a counter-current sort of.

However it occurs to me the main thing may simply be the effect itself; I.e., the initial point that speaking takes energy, and so forth.

Now I'll let others flow their wisdom :smile:


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26458238 - 01/29/20 09:22 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

I'm particularly quiet verbally. It certainly doesn't always have advantages, especially not those of instant gratification.
However, it's often that the jabberwocky receive their instant gratifications and cannot maintain contentedness.
While the verbally selective are overshadowed in the moment but have a persistent contentedness.
Observation over interaction. If you thrive exclusively on interaction, you'll find that you're always talking about things you hardly know anything about.
And if you're exclusively observant, you'll find that you never talk about the things you know.

As always, balance.
It's taken me the better part of 30 years to speak up for myself.


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Re: Weird [Re: footpath]
    #26458282 - 01/29/20 09:48 AM (4 years, 9 hours ago)

Yes. Ideally we should be able to talk, act and play freely. And this is the shared belief thing.

If one person starts talking, they can make it a safe place for others to.

And there's times when that's most ideal as well.. in jobs that are not production sensitive, i.e., a game store or etc as opposed to a restaurant.. but in the restaurant, most people talk way too much.

And it's not a judgement on them, just as you say, it ends up being talk about nothing.


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Re: Weird [Re: Vibe_Enthusiast] * 1
    #26458648 - 01/29/20 02:52 PM (4 years, 4 hours ago)

thoughts to me include any mental forms, so yes words are thoughts, but not all thoughts are words.

let us observe what properties are integral to all thought:

1. a thought unfolds centrally in the mind as a recognized mental form (a fact or an experience) or as a unrecognized form (something new is happening)
It is easy to see how a direct linkage works like a clear thread between thoughts, and so there is a category of thought called prompted thought or triggered thought, and for ease of conversation there is also a category called unprompted thought which some assume is spontaneous, although this is actually a case in which the mix of sensation and other mental content produces chimeric results, i.e. in many cases, the overlay of a variety of linkages produces no dominant link but instead multiple linkettes produce a result that is new-ish or combinatorial.

2. a thought elicits the arising of subsequent thoughts by exciting previously formed associative linkages (by energizing closely related memories and centrally hosting the most salient of those related items - thus becoming the next thought)
I make no distinction between prompted or unprompted (no single blame or trigger due to multiple relevance) because the next thought that arises is arising by the very same traffic system in which experience (including what you are thinking) washes over your memories setting the stage for the next linked thought activity.  Here is where the issue of repetition comes in as a factor to intensify the strength of linkages between thought forms - the more a link is used the stronger it gets - and this has been proven as the essence of conditioning. It is how and why habit exists.

3. after a few seconds the thought as it is fades away unless it is re-started, which can easily happen especially if there are multiple similar mental contents or if the context shifts or fails to sift as expected.

This process can be applied to word based thoughts or image based thoughts, body sense thoughts, feelings, musical thoughts or whatever can take place in the mind linked to what you are experiencing. We call it associative thought and this applies to ideas, phrases, speaking, and action (yes voluntary and reflex actions of the body are expressions of thought that is completed in the body position changing).

Logic is interesting because there really is NO such a thing as a logical processor in the mind, but we do learn logical thinking (by repetition) particularly as shown in mathematical notation or in the artistry of programming computers. similarly one can adopt the logic of selected philosophers by study and incorporation of the style or habit of thinking that is used.

However reasonableness or suitability comes into play during every single instance of linkage to the next thought, as the conditions are sensed and memory responds to the conditions and the passing of the previous thought. The loudest idea (the most matchy idea) prevails and if several are equal in associativity, then they overlap unless the person cannot abide by the formation of a new idea, and they block it.


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Re: Weird [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26460125 - 01/30/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Lol the secret? You're engaging in wishful thinking. You have to put physical energy into a system for it to manifest. God should have manifested by now.


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Re: Weird [Re: LosTresOjos]
    #26460265 - 01/30/20 01:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

the process of mind consumes lots of energy. stops working if you starve.


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Re: Weird [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26460303 - 01/30/20 01:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Excuse me Los Tejas but don't rude. This is in fact extremely be true.


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Re: Weird [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26460594 - 01/30/20 04:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the process of mind consumes lots of energy. stops working if you starve.




Non sequitor?

Anyway you missed the point.


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26460611 - 01/30/20 04:53 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



There are worse people than her.

But what I'm talking about is not based on that.

And I've beaten GMs at chess, the last time I played poker I made 900 in a few hours.

I dislike the negativity in chess...


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26460873 - 01/30/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

so,
what is the point?
just being weird is easy.


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Re: Weird [Re: redgreenvines]
    #26460900 - 01/30/20 07:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Now it just sounds like you're going off on some Machiavellian shit.

Selective communication to potentiate your ability to manipulate people?

It's pretty adolescent.


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Re: Weird [Re: footpath]
    #26461370 - 01/31/20 01:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Me? Wtf me? Lololol

E tu fuckin brute?

No, sorry dude.

I said it makes you more effective. I said nothing about good or evil.
Clarity, positivity, and so forth are positive qualities.
Fuckin ell dude.  Absolutely nothing I said was negative in nature in any way.
After all if you thought that was the case  ...


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26461374 - 01/31/20 01:50 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Love,
Science,
Math,
Basically anything.


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26461376 - 01/31/20 01:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Just get out with that dude.

I would give my life for any of my friends.

Just leave me alone dude.



This is said to be One thing, make you effective.


Get out with that, ok?





MAKE LOVE, DON'T TALK


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26461380 - 01/31/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

I'm talking about the phenomenon of how you are more effective at literally almost anything





The more silent, calm, you are.




Please have an infinitely beautiful life, read that sentence again, and try to sense


What I'm saying


And whether any replies like that are appropriate, or necessary.



In short, just reassess what the fuck I'm saying, and what I'm coming from.



Or else please just leave. Because I'm not saying b.s.

It is close to my heart (and important.)


And I deserve a little more than that.


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI]
    #26461388 - 01/31/20 02:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

It took me a




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ass time to understand -- you were even saying anything like that -- because it's so absolutely opposite, to a clear perception of what I am expressing.



I am talking about how being silent, calm

- which are not opposite in any shape to being focused, active




Make you more effective at literally anything you do.


Making love, work,




Cooking



Hiking. 




Voting.


Lol.


Jesus Christ.


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Re: Weird [Re: AZZI] * 2
    #26461435 - 01/31/20 03:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Make big noise and get excited talking about

being quiet and calm.

I feel you, friend.

The ideas I've been most intent on sharing with people in life have turned out to be me talking to myself about myself to another person.

Let's have some tea on it.


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Re: Weird [Re: susurrador] * 1
    #26461534 - 01/31/20 05:32 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

susurrador said:
Make big noise and get excited talking about

being quiet and calm.

I feel you, friend.

The ideas I've been most intent on sharing with people in life have turned out to be me talking to myself about myself to another person.

Let's have some tea on it.




Agree. Good stuff.


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