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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26461969 - 01/31/20 11:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

:whathesaid::thumbup:

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Carlin test :rofl:




Classic :congrats: i like having witnessed it many times. Our societies - most majority of individuals are even a slave of it in the grand picture of things. From minor sectors to major, corrupt churchianity - some corrupt polictal leaders.

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It's fairly well known that the more intelligent/educated/free thinking a person is, the more likely they are to be atheist.




To OP. May be a  ex-atheist dude (also in search). Here in the open forums who is just sharing (waiting)esoteric hints beyond that carlin knowledge at micro/nano level. So do as yah do. :thumbup:

Lord im on a permanent holiday,
Im going outside & play,
I aint gonna slave away.

My prophet is heaven sent
No preacher or president
Can lead I astray


-“Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal
-“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.-
Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? -Matthew


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: pacmanbreed]
    #26463457 - 02/01/20 11:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

OP, where'd ya go?!
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There's plenty of people here that need you to save them


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7] * 1
    #26463519 - 02/01/20 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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Assuming that everyone has some type of understanding of 'truth' when they really might not buy into that theory is highly offensive in nature. It's a manipulative tool used by disingenuous religious fanatics.

Please don't ever pretend to know what I think is truthful or not, just go on my word like I do for everyone. Don't assume I know certain things and then claim I deny it. That's the lowest form of debate.




The fact that you seem so offended shows that you too, ascribe to the belief that there is some type of moral or ethical standard (or law) that I have violated or fallen short of.

The truth is right there in your own heart witnessing against you.

You don't reject the notion of a Moral Law because of a lack of evidence for it... Instead you reject it because it does not conform to your ideology of a purely materialistic reality.




What evidence?


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: VibeUp]
    #26470239 - 02/05/20 12:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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It is common in Christian testimonies to hear about they used to hate God and wouldn't even consider that the Bible was true.




I've thoughtfully considered if the Bible were true on many occasions. I reject it because of it's gross immorality. Why do you make excuses for a book that describes a terrible example of morality from a god that is objectively evil? You wouldn't defend these things in any other context.

At the end of the day it comes down to caring about things like truth. If a God is immeasurable, then there cannot be proof by definition. I like the idea of a moral God that cares about his creation, but that's not what the Bible describes. If I were picking a god, I'd pick a better one.




This is just more evidence of the Moral Law in action.  The Law written on our hearts which tells us that Good and Evil are quite real and not just imaginary concepts.  We are deeply offended when we believe this Law has been violated.

God does care about his creation.  We are so beneath Him.  Compared to the perfect righteousness of God we are like pigs rolling around in filth day in and day out.  Much lower than pigs.  As a society, one of the things we claim as our greatest achievements is the freedom to slice up children in the womb.  And we sit in judgment of the God who created us.

And yet, as filthy as our hearts are, He still died for us.  The creator of the universe willingly went to the cross for us.  Hanging there, whipped, beaten, and bloody, driven through with nails as the crowds cursed and spit at him, and he hung there, forgiving us for everything.

Jesus Christ is the greatest Love Story of all time.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7]
    #26470292 - 02/05/20 01:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7]
    #26470311 - 02/05/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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God does care about his creation.  We are so beneath Him.  Compared to the perfect righteousness of God we are like pigs rolling around in filth day in and day out.  Much lower than pigs.




:jonespalm:

You remind me of a saying about pearls before swine...

That being said, I have to stop


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26470417 - 02/05/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

There is no Moral Law, it's all subjective. Humans are social animals, in order to function we adapt to different versions of "morality" to survive. We are very flexible for obvious reasons, the key is survival and reproduction. That's all morality is about.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: qman] * 1
    #26471655 - 02/06/20 08:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism

There is no Moral Law, it's all subjective. Humans are social animals, in order to function we adapt to different versions of "morality" to survive. We are very flexible for obvious reasons, the key is survival and reproduction. That's all morality is about.




Oh the faith it takes to be a materialist...


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7] * 1
    #26471692 - 02/06/20 08:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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This is just more evidence of the Moral Law in action.  The Law written on our hearts which tells us that Good and Evil are quite real and not just imaginary concepts.  We are deeply offended when we believe this Law has been violated.




This proves a shared feeling exists. How did you make the leap to a specific god?

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God does care about his creation.  We are so beneath Him.




I am morally superior to the god of the Christian Bible. Why would you worship that one? There's better gods out there. Look to some of the Eastern traditions.

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Compared to the perfect righteousness of God we are like pigs rolling around in filth day in and day out.  Much lower than pigs.




I'm sorry you feel that way about yourself. You're better than that.

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Jesus Christ is the greatest Love Story of all time.




And yet there's no empirical evidence that it even happened. Do you care about exploring spirituality and truth or do you just want to peach the talking points for your preferred dogma?


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: VibeUp] * 1
    #26473670 - 02/07/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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This is just more evidence of the Moral Law in action.  The Law written on our hearts which tells us that Good and Evil are quite real and not just imaginary concepts.  We are deeply offended when we believe this Law has been violated.




This proves a shared feeling exists. How did you make the leap to a specific god?




I don't make that leap.  Every time I post here I offer specific evidence for the Christian God, represented in the person of Jesus Christ, who we have eyewitness testimony to his divinity in action.  We don't have anything like the testimony of Jesus Christ in the rest of our realm of knowledge.  In all the rest of the great religious pantheon we find only speculation.  But in Christianity we have multiple eyewitness reporting on the ground as a major news event and people choosing to die swearing the resurrection really happened.

So, the Moral Law written on our hearts lets us know there is a Law Giver, the Author of all things, God.  And when we look into history, we see God visiting us through the person of Jesus Christ... not only visiting us, but dying for us to save us from our own self-willed separation from our creator God.  Jesus proved that He was who he claimed to be.  He gave us the truth.  He actually was the Truth in human-form.

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God does care about his creation.  We are so beneath Him.




I am morally superior to the god of the Christian Bible. Why would you worship that one? There's better gods out there. Look to some of the Eastern traditions.




Like I mentioned before, one of the modern world's most cherished freedoms is the freedom to kill children while their still inside the mother's womb.  We slaughter them by the boat-load like it's nothing.  It's considered intellectually offensive to even ask whether it might be immoral to kill them.  THAT is the world.  So all I can do is roll my eyes when people of this age claim moral superiority.  It just shows how badly we need saving from ourselves.  Thank God we have Jesus.

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Compared to the perfect righteousness of God we are like pigs rolling around in filth day in and day out.  Much lower than pigs.




I'm sorry you feel that way about yourself. You're better than that.





Anyone who honestly examines their own heart will find the same thing I believe.  The thoughts of men are wicked continually.  Even when we appear to do good, there is usually some selfish angle involved.  We all have a lot to repent for.

This is why there is such resistance to God.  It has almost nothing to do with evidence.  We simply don't want to find the thing that will convict us of our own wicked hearts.  If Jesus is the truth, then we fall way short of the righteousness of God.  And yet at the same time we are reconciled with God through that same Jesus who convicts us.  On the other side of repentance is salvation.

It's one of the most beautiful and liberating things to fall on your knees before God and admit that you're a sinner and need His forgiveness.  There is nothing like it in all the world, to cry out to your heavenly Father as a baby in need.

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Jesus Christ is the greatest Love Story of all time.




And yet there's no empirical evidence that it even happened. Do you care about exploring spirituality and truth or do you just want to peach the talking points for your preferred dogma?




The New Testament is one of the greatest historical records of all time.  The empty tomb of the crucified Jesus has shined forth from out of history as an enigma that is impossible to deny.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7]
    #26474248 - 02/07/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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The New Testament is one of the greatest historical records of all time.  The empty tomb of the crucified Jesus has shined forth from out of history as an enigma that is impossible to deny.




Well that's just like, your opinion man...
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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7] * 2
    #26475208 - 02/08/20 09:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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we have eyewitness testimony to his divinity in action.




No, we don't. There is no known eyewitness testimony of Jesus. None. Your entire sermon depends on evidence that doesn't exist.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: VibeUp]
    #26475222 - 02/08/20 09:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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we have eyewitness testimony to his divinity in action.




No, we don't. There is no known eyewitness testimony of Jesus. None. Your entire sermon depends on evidence that doesn't exist.




But but but, in the Bible it says... :rofl2:

People have to learn that making ANOTHER claim for a claim is NOT evidence.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7]
    #26475531 - 02/08/20 01:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

C.S. Lewis is good reading.  Spiritual law governs everything and no religion owns it.  You fuck with it, it will teach you.  Sometimes very harshly.  We all are under it like it or not.  No religion involved.  Just choosing to be born.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: VibeUp]
    #26477060 - 02/09/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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we have eyewitness testimony to his divinity in action.




No, we don't. There is no known eyewitness testimony of Jesus. None. Your entire sermon depends on evidence that doesn't exist.




Doubting them is one thing, but pretending the Gospels of Jesus Christ don't exist is a strange position to take.  It's as if you're in a desperate struggle to ensure nobody removes the blindfold from your eyes. 

The disciple Thomas did not believe until he was able to physically handle the wounds of the resurrected Christ that stood before him.  Even then, if he wanted to doubt, he probably could have told himself it was some elaborate trick or extreme hallucination, but instead Thomas chose to accept the Truth standing before Him, proclaiming "My Lord and my God...." ...

The testimony of Jesus cries out from history as a great global event might shake our world today, upending entire communities and entrenched religious orders.  From an evidence-based inquiry, the historical phenomenon of Jesus is undeniable.  You won't find anyone or anything else in the same ballpark.

But the issue isn't really evidence, is it?  If Jesus is the Truth, then we're all doing much evil in the dark kingdoms of our filthy hearts, continually.  Accepting Jesus is simultaneously admitting we're guilty.  The criminal never wants to find the Law-enforcer, until he is finally ready to repent.  That is why we deny Jesus.  It has nothing to do with a lack of evidence.  It's our hearts.

The good news is that on the other side of the truth of our guilt is the truth of God's abundant mercy and forgiveness.  The free gift of Jesus is right here waiting for you to open your heart and accept. 

The stone is rolled away and the tomb is empty, and death itself has been trampled underfoot.


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Re: You already know God exists - Right and Wrong - The Moral Law [Re: saved7] * 2
    #26477493 - 02/09/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago)

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From an evidence-based inquiry, the historical phenomenon of Jesus is undeniable.  You won't find anyone or anything else in the same ballpark.




Your standards of evidence are too low. There's more evidence for literally anything else. Not one eyewitness or first hand account. I'm not impressed.

But hey, I'm old school. I worship the moon. It's a more low-key religion and doesn't have any of the primitive blood sacrifice stuff from the bible.


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