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Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags 4
#26429089 - 01/12/20 03:22 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im using the abbreviations
FWC for fermented woodchip SWC for sterilized woodchip
I picked up some woodcip from a tree surgeon friend got to work. In a bin I 3/4 filled it up with water, in the meantime perforated every 2 inches 10mm holes another bin that fits snugly inside the first. This is good for straw cold lime and fermenting techniques.
The smaller bin was then filled with woodchip and lowered into the first bin with a heavy brick then placed on top of it. This was left to ferment for 2 weeks. Once time was up I lifted the bin out and left to drain for a few hours
Its this guy who turned me onto this
SWC, prep
I took 4 bags worth - 16kg and placed them in a filtered bag, These were then put in the PC and cooked for 2.5 hours. Note that the 2 week fermenting isnt necessary for this but I decided to try this half way through the soak.
FWC prep
As this was just an experiment and I thought it would arse out I only used 2 bags worth 4kg. I gave them a good shake in my giant sieve and when I was happy with water content bagged them up
I took all the bags to the flow hood with 3 quart jars of od Azures squeaky clean spawn.
****** For the sake of clarity, the bags lower in the PC did get take on extra water due to my poor sterilizing technique which was drained off but water level on some of the bags was higher. So will have to add another back to back to see if this makes a difference. Saying that not all the bags had this happen to them.
I spawned half a quart to each bag and impulse sealed all the bags up and took them to the colonising shelves.
The said shelves are in my bedroom and at a pleasant 65-70 degrees constantly, by a window that only receives evening sun in the summer which isnt a bad thing for spawn at all.
Day 2
The mycellium has leapt of the grains with the FWC bags and look super happy atm, its a long way to go but im surprised.

The mycelium on the SWC is recovering but definitely thinks the chips are foreign atm and hasn't made its mind up yet

Day 5 and again the FWC are getting colonised quick by the Azures spawn

The SWC on the other hand are not being enjoyed yet by the spawn and as you can see the grains are almost fully colonised and havent leapt off yet.

Day 7 and what could be a disaster has struck the FWC. I am now breeding wood knats in a sealed bag. Will it fully colonise is the question as they are still totally outrunning the sterilised bags
FWC


SWC


Day 8 and its 60%+ colonised for the FWC and 25% for the SWC
If this continues it will mean you can fully colonise a woodchip bag in less that 20 days. Lets see.
FWC

SWC

Day 9
Colonization is speeding up on the FWC if thats possible, we are now at 80% and my lovely wood knats are having a blast too.

The SWC on the other hand are still struggling to see the woodchips as food at and have double layers themselves on the grains. They see happy enough but just arent leaping off yet. I broke one bag up and remixed it a little to see if that would make a difference. It did (pic 1 and 2) and you can see it leaping off a bit more. I will leave 2 WC bags alone for the sake of science but might give another a good shake to see what happens.
 
Day 12
FWC
95% done, just the last straggly bits on the outside, I decided to mix 1 bag up

SWC
The bags I mixed up are recovering slowly but the ones I left alone have started expanding quickly now to 60%

Day 19
FWC
They just refused to 100% colonise and in 5 days im off to Thailand so they will be expanded into more FMC anyway. There is a slight contamination on one of the bags but im thinking there is enough good mycellium to let nature do its thing. The bag I mixed up has recovered and looks clean(last picture)

SWC
Its still taking its time but looks clean. These will be left until I return from Asia.

Day 22
FWC
One bag has a really bad contamination but im going to spawn, after removing the green gunk mold, to some fermented woodchips today, because as long as the clean mycellium is used all will be well and it will well outrun any contamination.....

SWC
An absolute turn around at the last minute, Where out of the 4 bags 3 had no more than 60% colonised, the one I put at the back and had mixed has fully colonised.

Due to this outstanding last minute performance byt the SWC bag I am going to do a side by side comparison on STC on soaked woodchips verses FWC on more FWC.
FWC on FWC expansion
So after pouring out the fermented woodchips onto my massive sieve whilst obviously holding my nose as FWC smell like rotten arse I left it there to drain for a while

The spawn was layered into the bins and given a shake at the end

The gunky bag had the contamination taken off and was added

It lost a 1/4 of its mass
SWC on soaked wood chip expansion
Having over half the spawn of the FWC I measured out woodchips accordingly

There was a bit of grey mold in the bag but I mixed it all in to see what happens, it might effect results but it will be fun anyway.
It was mixed the same giving these results for both

They were place in my shed, by the window for extra warmth on the sunny days and covered as I have my flow hood in there ass well an if it goes south I dont want to shit mould all over my lab.


Its cold in the UK at the moment so there might not be that much growth in the 6 weeks away but I will update when back.
Just for shits and giggles I am taking some more FWC bags and chucking in some Allenii hoping I have something I can spawn in March.........
Allenii on FWC



Allenii on SWC

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Day 66
Ive just got back from my travels from Thailand and leaving the spawned woodchips in the shed worked a treat.
100% colonisation in all the buckets including a last minute one I did with a spare jar.

FWC

SWC

Random extra bucket using grain spawn and FWC

I am now just getting the date for my buddys next wood chipping session for his business after which I will do one patch FWC and one WC
Day 68
Disaster in the FWC bucket, I went to pour it out into its grow box and the bottom 1/4 was contaminated with a yellow wood bacteria.
Im hoping being outside and in the open air will kill that or at least weaken it so the Az can thrive.
The other FWC bucket is fine and I have a feeling it was the slightly skanky bag at the beginning.
This is what it looks like. Ive been advised to dry it so that is the next step

Day 76
After leaving to dry for a week it looks good now. Going to mix with FWC in another 5-6 days.

I built some grow boxes so I can compare side by side
How to https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26533842
Day 77
I soaked some grains and mixed in the SWC batch and added a soil casing layer.
         
In the meantime washing the bin that had the spawn in it to soak some more chips for some winecaps spawn on the way.
 
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Here is another woodpatch that completed and due to a falling out and craziness has been burned. The above is full of good energy,kindness and love............
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Edited by Edmunter (03/20/20 11:11 AM)
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Re: Getting you woodlover patch down quick; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags [Re: Edmunter]
#26451151 - 01/25/20 04:01 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Keeping for conclusion
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26451762 - 01/25/20 12:17 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#26452038 - 01/25/20 02:47 PM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: staytrippy420]
#26453167 - 01/26/20 08:58 AM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Just found a jar of azures id mixed up with cubes so decided to take a lidded bin and layer in woodchips and grains and just leave to see what happens.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453181 - 01/26/20 09:07 AM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Nice following
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Mr_enforcer1]
#26453518 - 01/26/20 01:03 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Started an Allenii comparison, results to be posted in 5 weeks upon my return.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453639 - 01/26/20 02:18 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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What’s the advantage of bags? I always use trash cans or extra tubs , seems too be a lot faster
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453654 - 01/26/20 02:26 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: What’s the advantage of bags? I always use trash cans or extra tubs , seems too be a lot faster
Do you mean you put your grains into a tub with wood chips and its faster than colonising a bag and adding that?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453662 - 01/26/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Looking forward to seeing this when you get back Ed
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453666 - 01/26/20 02:32 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah I spawn wbs to tube or bins. Sometimes I will just burry a cake outdoors seems to take over pretty quick. I’m usually working with ovoids tho I’ve heard azures are more finicky
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453672 - 01/26/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: Yeah I spawn wbs to tube or bins. Sometimes I will just burry a cake outdoors seems to take over pretty quick. I’m usually working with ovoids tho I’ve heard azures are more finicky
Bags are good cause I will use 3 and give 3 away to friends...
Id like to test your theory though. I will have some cyan spawn soon so will add a back to back here to see if you are right. Do you colonise the in the bins they will fruit from?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453675 - 01/26/20 02:36 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Edmunter said:
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Shroomhunts said: Yeah I spawn wbs to tube or bins. Sometimes I will just burry a cake outdoors seems to take over pretty quick. I’m usually working with ovoids tho I’ve heard azures are more finicky
Bags are good cause I will use 3 and give 3 away to friends...
and I have 24KG of spawn in amonth
Id like to test your theory though. I will have some cyan spawn soon so will add a back to back here to see if you are right. Do you colonise the in the bins they will fruit from?
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26453702 - 01/26/20 02:53 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have only fruited them in pots/bins a few times, also I rarely use grain as spawn, usually I just take mycelium from my mother patch to use as spawn for my void projects. If you transplant a large area of myc without damaging the pins you can create a new patch instantly, however this requires a large mother patch. I only use grains if I’m trying to start a clone patch. It may sound primitive and low tek but I have found most my success in these methods because they work with nature instead of against it. You will never be able to math the yeilds of a good bed just by fruiting bins. Transplanting large areas of the myc keeps the mycelium network intact allowing the new patch to thrive and produce fruits while colonizing the fresh patch. I’m hoping to write a tek for irrigated woodlover patches if I get some free time this spring.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453716 - 01/26/20 03:00 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: I have only fruited them in pots/bins a few times, also I rarely use grain as spawn, usually I just take mycelium from my mother patch to use as spawn for my void projects. If you transplant a large area of myc without damaging the pins you can create a new patch instantly, however this requires a large mother patch. I only use grains if I’m trying to start a clone patch. It may sound primitive and low tek but I have found most my success in these methods because they work with nature instead of against it. You will never be able to math the yeilds of a good bed just by fruiting bins. Transplanting large areas of the myc keeps the mycelium network intact allowing the new patch to thrive and produce fruits while colonizing the fresh patch. I’m hoping to write a tek for irrigated woodlover patches if I get some free time this spring.
Of course thats the best way, how do you replenish the mother patch after the season. Can you double its size?
This whole thread is about taking a new species and creating a woodpatch. By April I will have them in their spiritual homes. If you look in my signature you can see some grows ive done.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter] 1
#26453722 - 01/26/20 03:04 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have a patch in a spot where landscaping companies dump the chipped trees. The patch never really needs replenished. However I have another patch on the grounds of a senior home, it’s huge and the scape company dumps fresh chips on top every year so they do it for me haha
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Shroomhunts]
#26453776 - 01/26/20 03:34 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shroomhunts said: I have a patch in a spot where landscaping companies dump the chipped trees. The patch never really needs replenished. However I have another patch on the grounds of a senior home, it’s huge and the scape company dumps fresh chips on top every year so they do it for me haha
Thats cool. If I get enough I might get my tree surgeon mate to dump a load where he dumps it.
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: Edmunter]
#26454889 - 01/27/20 10:07 AM (4 years, 20 days ago) |
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Watching this 
Have a good trip to Thailand!
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#26454927 - 01/27/20 10:33 AM (4 years, 20 days ago) |
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Good stuff Edmunter
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Re: Edmunters everything Woodlovers; Fermented woodchips verses sterilised woodchip bags (moved) [Re: SFS96]
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