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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
#26450682 - 01/24/20 07:46 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Sugabearcrisp said: Do these numbers include recreational ADHD med users? I would assume so since amph is amph... right ... lots of black market ritalin n addie that is pressed illicitly along side fent laced counterfeit oxy and xan
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: feldman114]
#26450691 - 01/24/20 07:50 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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feldman114 said: I don’t get why meth is so popular in the US, but you can’t find good old speed (amphetamine salt) powder anywhere. It’s 10x cheaper and the comedown is way less brutal ime. It also takes way more amphs to make you go off the rails, and you can’t smoke it so it’s harder to OD.
Have been off the uppers for a few years, but never enjoyed meth over others back in my tweaky days.
It's mostly a supply and demand issue.
That said, meth is dirt cheap here already and given how much more potent(and pure) it is compared to euro paste I doubt there is that much of a price difference.
Not to mention, meth is WAAAY more euphoric and moreish than amphetamine...as for the rest, you answered your own question "It also takes way more amphs to make you go off the rails, and you can’t smoke it so it’s harder to OD." For users and abusers this is a pro for meth, not a con. People want to smoke meth, people want to get spun.
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Holybullshit]
#26450724 - 01/24/20 08:08 PM (4 years, 23 days ago) |
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Pretty sure desoxyn only comes in 5mg tablets and mostly for obesity.
Either way it’s actually proven that people that have been on adderall (therapeutic doses) their whole lives are less likely to develop other addictions, and unlike with opioids, they don’t usually switch to meth. But if suddenly that’s what they had to do to treat their adhd, Then there might be a real meth epidemic.
Other than that, I’d be a lot more concerned about an upcoming benzo epidemic
And a big factor is how locked down the pharmacies keep the substance. With benzos you don’t even see real Xanax pills anymore without a script, which is a huge sign
In general tho especially IV substances (go figure) are being watched very strictly. Mostly benzos.
Nobody is pressing actual mixed amphetamine salts for the black market btw. It’s usually meth, not actually adderall
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Fractal420]
#26453172 - 01/26/20 09:03 AM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Benzos just aren't that euphoric for most of the population...and for even more people any initial recreational value fades from tolerance far before they develop a dependence if used with any regularity.
Only a subset of the population(a set even smaller than the 10% who are likely get addicted to moreish drugs in the first place) who can/will take larger than therapeutic doses of benzos chronically and continue to find them enjoyable. Not enough to constitute a chrisis. And even fewer people know about/would be willing to knowingly consume RC benzos.
Sure kids like to get fucked up on them, and kids are extra likely to enjoy the relief from anxiety due to both their neural development and especially the environment they are in. But most people grow out of that.
There are a LOT of people who suffer from anxiety and use benzos for relief, but doctors are pretty scared/careful not to cut them off without a proper, long taper. And of those who are at some point prescribed benzos for anxiety, and wish to continue taking them chronically long term, very few are likely to seek extra legal means of acquisition other than buying extras off a friend/family member.
I mean, yeah, a lot of people like to pop a xanax now and again...but not large doses every day, not enough to make it a crisis. For it to be a "crisis" means many users need to be addicted/dependent, where they will take actions damaging to society to support said dependence. And it is as you have said, doctors are scaling back how often they will prescribe benzos to patients for more than a month...and black market benzos in pill form are hardly as widely sought after/available as other drugs and even when they are a far smaller number of people purchase them with the intent to take them every day without end.
I don't doubt that benzos reliance is about to take a turn in the public eye, because for many people this is their first or only experience with using a powerful mind altering substance...that carries significant risks and negatively impacts ones behavior, ability to remain in control, and includes noticeable and uncomfortable rebound effects...as a crutch to function. Especially for young people, who are more active and visible on the internet and more accustomed to being open and honest about topics like this(where in older generations topics like this were considered taboo to discuss in public).
But I wouldn't use the word "crisis" to describe benzo use/abuse...it just doesn't impact as many people on the same level as or include the same devastating affects that meth/heroin addiction does. Benzo users are largely able to remain functioning members of society for a long time...until they aren't, and when they aren't they hit rock botttom FAST and are forced to get help/reckon with their issues.
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Holybullshit]
#26453463 - 01/26/20 12:22 PM (4 years, 21 days ago) |
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Meth is popular in the United States for one reason and only one reason, any dumbass can show any other dumbass how to make it, materials are cheap and readily available to anyone and a lab isn't necessary.
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
#26461197 - 01/30/20 11:01 PM (4 years, 16 days ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Meth is popular in the United States for one reason and only one reason, any dumbass can show any other dumbass how to make it, materials are cheap and readily available to anyone and a lab isn't necessary.
That was true at one point, it is definitely what allowed it to maintain a presence since WWII..and the sharing of synth techniques is what fueled the meth epidemic around the turn of the century.
At that time, police were uncovering literally many thousands of meth labs.
But since new regulations surrounding pseudo-ephedrine distribution and sale and making it harder to get anyhydrous ammonia(by making it harder to buy and protecting supply chains and storage locations) were coupled with a concentrated effort to target users/potential users with PSAs, especially ones aimed at young people and those most at risk to being exposed to the drug...ones meant to paint meth as a "gross" drug, for losers, which would absolutely destroy you physically. They were quite effective.
Along with support efforts aimed at the areas stricken worse plus LE efforts to uncover meth labs became more focused and effective.
Both supply and demand tapered off...along with the vast majority of domestic meth production.
Now nearly all meth in the US is produced by cartel run super-labs in Mexico and South America.
Not only has the supply chain evolved since the last meth crisis, but its affecting different demographics across a large geographic and socioeconomic range. Yes, its still popular in rural areas but it is hardly limited to it. And now people know to keep it more under the radar, which makes it harder to stop, not only for law enforcement but to provide support to users as well.
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Holybullshit]
#26465642 - 02/02/20 05:04 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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anhydrous hasn't been hard for them to get here, they are constantly ripping off my farmer friends, but I agree that the pseudo ephedrine crackdown has help, a little. it's now cheaper and easier to obtain cartel meth that is higher quality, for now.
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
#26465777 - 02/02/20 06:28 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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That shit is everywhere. Particularly the meth. Fml.
Seems to me that once the US starting growing most of its own cannabis... the cartels were mostly cut out of the weed game with their bricks. Who wants bricks of mold when fluffy US green overfloweth?
That's when I started noticing the change. It's been at least 10 years since I've seen brick weed. But thrice I've been offered meth from a pedestrian while sitting in my car at red lights here in my town in the past year.
The local news is full of fucked up meth fueled murders and much worse.
How do people not sense the demons and steer clear of that shit? I've never had even the slightest good vibe from a tweaker type.
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Re: Meth use up sixfold, fentanyl use quadrupled in U.S. in last 6 years [Re: Doc9151]
#26465908 - 02/02/20 07:58 PM (4 years, 14 days ago) |
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Doc9151 said: anhydrous hasn't been hard for them to get here, they are constantly ripping off my farmer friends, but I agree that the pseudo ephedrine crackdown has help, a little. it's now cheaper and easier to obtain cartel meth that is higher quality, for now.
Of course there are still people making their own meth, they may even be able to produce enough to pay their car note or mobile home rental fees after feeding their own habits and those a a few friends around them.
But, a single counties meth needs are hardly being met by people sneaking onto farms and filling up propane tanks, let alone the countries...try to obtain a substantial amount(by theft or purchase) and you will meet far more roadblocks. It's simply just no longer possible for meth to be produced domestically on any near the scale it used to be. And with new supply chains comes new distribution networks which are delivering the drug to areas and peoples which do not match the stereotypical and outdated views regarding meth use and addiction.
Edited by Holybullshit (02/02/20 08:11 PM)
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