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Katz 206
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26451466 - 01/25/20 09:04 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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How can anecdotal evidence be reliable? In this thread alone there is inconsistency in reported effects. If you could provide a link to some reliable information that says strains have distinct effects then I’d be interested to read that, but I doubt this is the case and have seen ANY evidence to point to that conclusion...
Basically I am of the idea that strain names mean absolutely nothing at all. And I bet money that if I gave you say some treasure cost or EQs and told you they were golden teachers you would not know any difference lol
Just cuz anecdotal evidence is the best we have doesn’t mean that evidence is reliable there are far too many variables.
Strain names are just that, names.
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: Katz 206]
#26451475 - 01/25/20 09:10 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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I’m not thinking that clearly after a large one last night. I think what I was trying to convey was similar; there is so much variability, even within the same flush (MS), that how can anything be reliable.
So what I meant by the anecdotal evidence being reliable (wrong word!), was that it’s all we have. So if enough people share their experiences, maybe we get a sort of database of anecdotal effects for a particular strain.
There was a post on here recently where a moderator shared his journal of strain descriptions. Based on that, I’ve ordered some Mazatapec (couldn’t source Transkeis) - the anecdotal evidence says generally they provide a less intense but more mystical experience than say Golden Teacher.
Hope that’s cleared up what I meant to say!
Mush love DJ Ed
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: Katz 206]
#26451477 - 01/25/20 09:11 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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In my experience, there is subjective but observable differences between strains. Take African Transkei for example. Theres definitely a unique "trip" to them compared to other strains Ive grown before. However, the fruits do look physically different than other cubes so its likely a mutant of some type and mutants tend to be unique anyway.
And i believe theres a similar "trend" of effects with Golden Teachers as well.
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26451486 - 01/25/20 09:17 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Putting aside a cube is a cube, GTs seem to be more forgiving at high doses.
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: Antigov]
#26451510 - 01/25/20 09:25 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Antigov said: Putting aside a cube is a cube, GTs seem to be more forgiving at high doses.
When you say “forgiving”, what exactly do you mean? I’ve had 5g doses of GT, but I have always resisted, like my life depended on it! At times when the fractals are infinite, you have to squat down at the back door to get some cold fresh air, you try to tell your wife what you’re going through while her face is dissolving and the air in front of her literally tears and portions move! Then it starts to subside. I haven’t had 5g for 2 years, and am building up to 5g again with the intention of not fighting it (you live and learn!).
When you say forgiving, are you saying that 5g of other strains can be even more unsettling?
Cheers DJ Ed
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Katz 206
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#26451577 - 01/25/20 10:03 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: In my experience, there is subjective but observable differences between strains. Take African Transkei for example. Theres definitely a unique "trip" to them compared to other strains Ive grown before. However, the fruits do look physically different than other cubes so its likely a mutant of some type and mutants tend to be unique anyway.
And i believe theres a similar "trend" of effects with Golden Teachers as well.
you raise a good point with mutants, i am just stubborn i suppose lol. the lack of real concrete data and the amount of variables involved just scream out to me to disregard anecdotal evidence, except maybe my own lol.
i have also heard similar things about various strains DJ ed, but i always tended to disregard those but i am far from a psychonaunt and have limited experiences im sure when compared to some of the vets here.
that being said my own anecdotal evidence is this, i have grown out several different 'strains' specifically 'treasure coast, EQs, Ricans' All were via MS... When i first got into this, my goal was to have a visual experience, the whole reason i wanted to do this lol. so i have a buddy whom i would trip with, and every time i took them i always had OEV. nothing insane because i am overly cautious and tend to dose low, but i personally always have OEV distortion, my friend however has NEVER had any OEV on any dose form any batch ever, and that includes psilocybe cyanescens.
so just based on that, i feel there are too many variables to really source reliable information when it comes to anecdotes. its been a really long time since ive taken any cubes as now that i know how to find my local shrooms i ditched growing a decade ago lol.. but that being said id go as far to say i dont even think i can recall any difference between even cubes and cyans other then potency and amount needed to eat.
maybe i am unqualified to really speak on this since i dont have any experience with cloned strains and i think clones would be the first step in getting come consistent data.
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: Katz 206]
#26451590 - 01/25/20 10:11 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah I suppose I tend to agree with you. But I would say this, Psilocybe Semilanceata (Liberty Cap) is definitely different to cubensis. The trips are much darker, and the OEVs are much stronger. In my experience.
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Re: Have you tried Golden Teachers before? [Re: DJ Ed]
#26451649 - 01/25/20 10:56 AM (4 years, 22 days ago) |
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DJ Ed said:
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Antigov said: Putting aside a cube is a cube, GTs seem to be more forgiving at high doses.
When you say “forgiving”, what exactly do you mean? I’ve had 5g doses of GT, but I have always resisted, like my life depended on it! At times when the fractals are infinite, you have to squat down at the back door to get some cold fresh air, you try to tell your wife what you’re going through while her face is dissolving and the air in front of her literally tears and portions move! Then it starts to subside. I haven’t had 5g for 2 years, and am building up to 5g again with the intention of not fighting it (you live and learn!).
When you say forgiving, are you saying that 5g of other strains can be even more unsettling?
Cheers DJ Ed
I have never had a “bad trip” on high doses with GTs.
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