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Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report
#26451561 - 01/25/20 09:54 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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For context:
When we harvested this flush on a Tuesday I took like 5 fresh grams and my friend took 7. He then spent an hour trying not to throw up while I didn't even feel a thing in my stomach. Fast forward and he's tripping way harder than me despite me having smoked a joint.
It still was great though, it felt the same as my first year of smoking weed (I might have mild ADHD and my trips weren't normal at all back then).
The next Saturday me and two other friends took more in a big and nice botanical garden.
One took 1.5 as tea tek, and tripped the same he did before with 3gs: he couldn't speak he was having wild hallucinations, nothing made sense and etc. These were the Mckenna strain which supposedly was the strongest strain in the website. I didn't believe it much at first but now it sure felt like it.
This friend's trip would've been awesome if it wasn't for my other friend who took 2gs dry and went into psychosis mode and started breaking shit in the botanical garden and then spent more than an hour motionless constantly eating dirt and plants, in the most uncomfortable position ever while maintaining his eyes wide open basically touching the ground. It got me worried as fuck as there even were wild shrooms next to what he was eating but I wasn't sure how I'd interfere.
His whole system was fucked up. He was feeling like he was an algorithm stuck on a reboot loop trying to function but always going wrong and kept being discarded by the scientists who created him (me who sometimes tried to talk with him). Every time he was discarded he felt like he was dying and his whole body burning like he was being cremated. After that he started coming down and had basically this trip: "the egg" by Kurzgesagt. He felt like he had been everyone that had ever lived in the past or the future, genius like DaVinci and Feynman included (he was into genius biography books).
After that he started working again, stood up from nowhere, punched me in the face and started trying to break more stuff, but it didn't feel ill-intentioned, more like a 1 year old baby experimenting and trying to punch something because he didn't know better. After that he spent more 2 hours relearning everything with me, but that's another whole story.
This all happened with me on 3 dry gs but luckily it didn't affect me more than smoking a joint so I dealt with everything perfectly. I was just sad and bored cause I was the one supposed to trip but I only had mild visuals like everything out of my vision range breathing.
I knew the mushrooms were potent so I searched for possible causes and it lead me to believe that it was due to taking them just 4 days prior, or maybe it was also due to eating loads of soy sauce and cheese, sometimes even 1kg per week... if that's what you're thinking, I'm not fat, I weigh around 65 kgs. I also had eaten an yogurt and a boiled egg less than 2 hours before.
Fast forward a month where I ate almost no cheese, I ground 3 dry grams, bought some lemons, fasted for 12 hours and went into the woods . I squeezed them into my shrooms, waited more than half an hour, took everything (it was way worse than eating shrooms) and it was.......... Basically the same shit. Didn't feel anything in my stomach and almost no nausea.
I smoked a fat blunt and had loads of fun talking with my sitter, it was very insightful and still amazing, although not what I expected.
At some point we take some time without talking and I go off staring into a huge used to be quarry rocky wall, where I found these amazing patterns: it was full of ancient writings, I could also see rock paintings of tigers and other animals. I could see them 100% vividly. They weren't moving, and surely didn't feel like an hallucination at all. That was very wild but I only let it last for like 10 mins. My palms were also incredible as all my patterns felt so alien. I could see my finger prints so much better than now.
But that was basically it. I'm starting to believe I'm incredible tolerant as only 20 mins in 8 hours felt psychedelic.
How should I proceed? I wanted to feel an ego death. Or at least trip like my friends.
I can't find anything relevant online. Everyone in my case says it were fake/weak shrooms, or it wasn't enough or you have to try lemon tek or whatever.
Fuck me......
TL;DR: Took 3gs of very strong mushrooms twice, didn't feel any stomach ache or nausea like all of my friends and barely tripped even with weed, lemon tek and a huge fast.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest] 1
#26451597 - 01/25/20 10:17 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Assuming you’re not on any meds and have no tolerance from prior pysch use you might be... try again with the same dose (mushrooms can be very inconsistent w their psilocybin content) and if that doesn’t work u can up it a ton or try to find another strain.
This type of thing definitely exists, I have a natural acid tolerance where 150 isn’t even really a trip
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: Korean Jesus]
#26451609 - 01/25/20 10:24 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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I doubt the thing about the mushroom inconsistency as they were all super small so I had tons of different ones both times. Guess I'll keep trying different teks and way bigger doses. I was also wondering if not having any stomach ache/discomfort/nauseas is rare? Although that can be a plus...
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest] 1
#26451632 - 01/25/20 10:46 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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You should look into MAOI's, there are some people who have naturally very efficient monoamine oxidase enzymes, making a shroom trip much shorter and less intensive. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois.shtml
Have you ever tried DMT and the trip was much shorter than 15min? This could be an indicator for this, but not necessarily. Here for example is a super simple TEK for extracting MAOI's from Syrian Rue seeds: Harmala extraction from Syrian Rue using water, vinegar & soda
Either way it might help you, since it potentiates the trip at least by a factor of 2, so you don't need to eat a huge amount of mushroom material.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: sporecap]
#26451663 - 01/25/20 11:05 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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don't need to eat a huge amount of mushroom material
Thank you, that's my concern. I'll look into that. Any other teks worthy of exploring?
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: sporecap]
#26451673 - 01/25/20 11:08 AM (4 years, 4 days ago) |
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Funny how MAO's are related to ADHD....
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest]
#26452730 - 01/25/20 11:39 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Hey OP,
A couple of things for you to consider; are you on any kind of medication, specifically SSRIs? These meds will block the action of psilocin in most people, and for some people have to be completely out of their system, I.e. a few weeks abstention.
The other consideration is your discussion of cheese and yoghurt. What you have to be aware of with dairy and fat is that it will line your stomach and drastically slow down absorption of chemicals in your stomach. I have type 1 diabetes so need to know all about diet. Pizza for example is high carbs and high fat - it will take your body upwards of 12 hours to digest. Whereas a glass of orange juice will be digested in under 30 minutes. There is something used by diabetics called “the glycemic index”. It’s a rating from 0 to 100 of how fast a food will be absorbed. 100 is glucose which is absorbed instantly. Fatty foods are at the lower end of the scale. So funnily enough ice cream is considered “healthy”, because the fat content slows down the absorption of the sugar!!
Nearly everybody will recommend you fast the day before a trip - have a light breakfast and then nothing until the evening when you take your tea. If you make tea, make sure you boil the psychoactive compounds out of the mushrooms for 20 minutes - you will not reduce the potency.
Good luck DJ Ed
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: sporecap]
#26452768 - 01/26/20 12:50 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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sporecap said: You should look into MAOI's, there are some people who have naturally very efficient monoamine oxidase enzymes, making a shroom trip much shorter and less intensive. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois.shtml
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26453013 - 01/26/20 06:47 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Hey, thanks for your insightful reply. I'm not on any medication. Yeah my metabolism might be really slow as I tend to only eat twice a day but I do eat A LOT when I do. Also I can easily go a whole day without eating. I think you might be onto something as my shroom trip felt super constant from beginning to end and I felt the effects basically until I went to sleep (16 hours duration) with just a joint. I was fasting for more than 12 hours I'd say. But I might try more time then. I'll look into your advice and see what changes I can make to my diet in order to speed up my metabolism.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest] 1
#26453126 - 01/26/20 08:17 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yeah this definitely sounds more plausible now. Two big meals a day, so presumably your 12 hour fast was only marginally effective. I have eaten a sandwich quite close to dosing in the past, and every trip so has been affected - slow constant onset, but never actually getting that deep. So I remember to fast for a few months after until I forget again and have a poor trip!
Think about your last meal being the 2nd meal of the day before tripping, which will give you almost 24 hours for your body to digest everything......
Good luck DJ Ed
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest]
#26453157 - 01/26/20 08:47 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Are u sure the shrooms were potent? Is that the general concensus with your friends? Maybe your frienda are all super sensitive too 
Try a different strain like PE or APE. Should help if youre really naturally tolerant.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest]
#26453162 - 01/26/20 08:53 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Welcome to the hard head club. I take 6g dry and it's just a little laughy and head spacey. My friends take 3g of the same mushrooms and are having color explosions and walls writhing from here to there.
I do have COMT mutations that affect my bodies degradation of NE and Dopamine and concomitant ADHD. I've just accepted that I have to take 2-3x more than most of most things to get an effect. But it's important to titrate up those doses responsibly.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: sporecap]
#26453240 - 01/26/20 09:46 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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sporecap said: You should look into MAOI's, there are some people who have naturally very efficient monoamine oxidase enzymes, making a shroom trip much shorter and less intensive. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois.shtml
Have you ever tried DMT and the trip was much shorter than 15min? This could be an indicator for this, but not necessarily. Here for example is a super simple TEK for extracting MAOI's from Syrian Rue seeds: Harmala extraction from Syrian Rue using water, vinegar & soda
Either way it might help you, since it potentiates the trip at least by a factor of 2, so you don't need to eat a huge amount of mushroom material.
Very interesting! Let me see if I'm understanding correctly....
So you're suggesting for those of us who are quite tolerant...even with large doses...extra MAOs could be taken to swamp out potentially high levels of MAOIs?
Can MAO be purchased?
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: myco_fun]
#26453276 - 01/26/20 10:22 AM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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myco_fun said:
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sporecap said: You should look into MAOI's, there are some people who have naturally very efficient monoamine oxidase enzymes, making a shroom trip much shorter and less intensive. https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/maois/maois.shtml
Have you ever tried DMT and the trip was much shorter than 15min? This could be an indicator for this, but not necessarily. Here for example is a super simple TEK for extracting MAOI's from Syrian Rue seeds: Harmala extraction from Syrian Rue using water, vinegar & soda
Either way it might help you, since it potentiates the trip at least by a factor of 2, so you don't need to eat a huge amount of mushroom material.
Very interesting! Let me see if I'm understanding correctly....
So you're suggesting for those of us who are quite tolerant...even with large doses...extra MAOs could be taken to swamp out potentially high levels of MAOIs?
Can MAO be purchased?
Your body produces MAO enzymes that break down tryptamines, i.e. Psilocin, Psilocybin, DMT, etc. If you take shrooms for example, and the break down is faster/more efficient than the Psilocin can dock to your receptors in the brain, you will feel nothing. Best example is pure DMT, you can eat as much as you want and nothing happens. But vaping it will bring it directly into the bloodstream, making you trip, since it circumvents the route through the stomach. Taking MAOI's like Harmine, Harmaline contained in Syrian Rue seeds or Caapi, will prevent the break down, thus potentiating any psychedelic and its duration tremendously.
Natural sources for MAOI's are tobacco, Peganum harmala, passiflora, lemon balm, and some others. The plants are legal, but the MAOI's themselves are scheduled substances, so you cannot buy them legally. MAOI's are also used in anti-depressants, but usually not harmine or harmaline.
If you intend to take them be very careful, read all information you can find and start slow, as they drastically enhance potency of shrooms and considerably lengthen it, roughly a factor of 2. Also read very carefully which medications and food to avoid with MAOI's Foods to Avoid with MAOIs Drugs to Avoid with MAOIs
Stay safe and good luck
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: sporecap]
#26453502 - 01/26/20 12:48 PM (4 years, 3 days ago) |
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Very interesting information! That all makes a lot of sense.
Hmm...would using a version of the lemon tek (but with a different citrus) be a way to maximize the effect for folks with naturally high MAO?
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: webweaver]
#26454683 - 01/27/20 07:33 AM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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I'm so glad to hear there's others as tolerant, makes me hopeful that if I up the dose I'll feel anything.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest] 1
#26454703 - 01/27/20 07:45 AM (4 years, 2 days ago) |
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LemonTek doesn't potentiate anything. It just speeds up the absorbtion-rate of the alkaloids leading to a faster come-up. Might feel stronger this way, but in fact nothing is potentiated at all. It just gets faster into your bloodstream compared to eating raw shrooms. It hits you like all at once, not slowly building up over half an hour.. that's why it feels stronger.
MAOIs are a way to potentiate shrooms. They can get twice or three times as strong easily, and lasts twice as long also. Just use syrian rue seeds as source, it's cheap and legal to buy.
You can either grind up and eat the seeds (roughly ~3g of seeds), or extract the pure alkaloids (~150mg of harmala alkaloids is one dose). With extracted alkaloids, there is easy dosing (just a small capsule of powder), and no nausea. Raw seeds can lead to stomache discomfort. Take the harmalas /rue seeds like 30min before dosing the shrooms, for maximum potentiation.
Harmalas are a RIMA (reversible inhibitor of MAO-A), there are no food interactions with RIMAs. You can eat everything, no fasting needed. But you must avoid any other drugs or medications, especially speed, mdma, cocaine, SSRIs, benzos, and other anti -depressants or -psychotics. Be sober, so no other drugs in your system !, when taking MAOIs. Shrooms, dmt, lsd, mescaline, weed, caffeine, chocolate.. those are safe to ingest. You can even drink alcohol if you want to, but beware that any drug gets potentiated and prolonged a good bit. 
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: Pandemoon]
#26458754 - 01/29/20 04:05 PM (4 years, 6 hours ago) |
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Thank you for your post. I'm not sure where I'll find syrian rue, but I'll snoop around. My city is kinda diverse. My come up definitely wasn't fast. It felt exactly the same or maybe even slower as I didn't get any breathing visuals. I'm excited for the next time though, I know what to expect, I don't feel the need for a sitter, except for maybe chatting... but that I can do with just weed and talking most certainly will distract me from tripping.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest]
#26459242 - 01/29/20 09:41 PM (4 years, 40 minutes ago) |
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isHonest said: my other friend who took 2gs dry and went into psychosis mode and started breaking shit in the botanical garden and then spent more than an hour motionless constantly eating dirt and plants, in the most uncomfortable position ever while maintaining his eyes wide open basically touching the ground. It got me worried as fuck as there even were wild shrooms next to what he was eating but I wasn't sure how I'd interfere.
After that he started working again, stood up from nowhere, punched me in the face and started trying to break more stuff, but it didn't feel ill-intentioned, more like a 1 year old baby experimenting and trying to punch something because he didn't know better. After that he spent more 2 hours relearning everything with me, but that's another whole story.
Never, ever give him mushrooms again. Some people react violently like that, no one knows why, and it's very dangerous when it happens (both for the person themselves and for others). That guy is not cut out for psychedelics. You're lucky he didn't harm himself or you much worse. It's rare, but it has been known to happen.
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: nooneman]
#26459997 - 01/30/20 10:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I do hope I’m wrong in this, and also not meaning to be so selfish, but they’ll use this kind of danger to argue against legalisation. That’s why I can only see them ever being made available to the healthy public through controlled centres, or such places where you go to have a guided trip.
Mush love DJ Ed
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Re: Am I super tolerant? Also a trip report [Re: isHonest]
#26461377 - 01/31/20 01:53 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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isHonest said:
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don't need to eat a huge amount of mushroom material
Thank you, that's my concern. I'll look into that. Any other teks worthy of exploring?
Gummy ayahuasca TEK? Basically Lemon TEK with black currant juice as a strong MAOI. Supposed to increase potency by 5-10X:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=4949877&page=&vc=1
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