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Fasting ruined my trip?
    #26451526 - 01/25/20 09:35 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I did a three day fast for unrelated reasons, but after the second day, feeling clear and calm, thought the third day might be a good day to trip. I took my usual 5g of cubes but had the weakest experience I've ever had. It never really took off. I've been tripping about once a month for 8 months, taking 4-7g each time and always having a full blown ego dissolving experience. This one was very disappointing. Each trip has been from the same batch of mushrooms. Anybody know why this happened? I'd like to avoid it in the future. I thought fasting, if anything, would make the experience stronger. Does it do the opposite somehow? Or is once a month making me build up a tolerance? Or does this just randomly happen sometimes? Thanks.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom] * 1
    #26451537 - 01/25/20 09:41 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

MS? Id say you just got some weaker shrooms if so. Or maybe they weren't stored well? 8 months isn't that long but I rekon if they were just in baggies or not fully dried out that could cause it. Those are some pretty big doses. Fasting will not kill your trip. If anything it will make it hit like a freight train.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom]
    #26451538 - 01/25/20 09:41 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

You mention the same batch of mushrooms, but if they were grown from spores, every mushroom is a different potency, most likely you happened to get a weak handful


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom]
    #26451539 - 01/25/20 09:42 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

It could quite possibly be weak shrooms; are they from multi spore grow? Or it could possibly be tolerance build up. I do not believe fasting has diminished anything, I always fast.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom]
    #26451545 - 01/25/20 09:44 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

well i can say fasting will def increase not decrease your effects so i think we can rule that out. i do not know if 1 time per month will keep raising your tolerance so maybe someone els can chime in on that. though i suspect you likely would have noticed it gradually rather than suddenly.

do you happen to know if these mushrooms came from a spore syringe or was it from a clone?

if your answer is MS, then perhaps you have multiple genetics going on?


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: Katz 206]
    #26451608 - 01/25/20 10:23 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Thanks for the responses. Maybe it was a weak handful. But I figured 5g even weak should have given me at least what 4g does, which in the past has always been a full blown experience.

I haven't noticed any build up over time, but my last few times were 6g and 7g, so maybe I was getting a tolerance and didn't realize it because of the higher doses.

When I say it's the same batch, I guess what I really mean is they're from the same group of cubes I grew in multiple shoeboxes from agar using MS and clones, dried them all for 24hrs, and stored in a dark box in a bag with desiccant. There from the same group of many shoeboxes grown about 6 months ago. So I guess I wasn't correct saying they're from the same batch.

Good to know it wasn't the fast. The lame trip just coincided with it.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom]
    #26451617 - 01/25/20 10:30 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

when i fasted for 2 days then tried, it ran through me and out my pee hole so fast i didn't even feel like a micro dose. it was tea tek "shot glass"chased it with a cup of water.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: HappyHigh]
    #26451634 - 01/25/20 10:47 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I alway fast before I trip. Helps with stomach issues. Maybe potency issue.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: Antigov]
    #26451661 - 01/25/20 11:04 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

I had some mixed results with fasting. What works quite well is when I only eat breakfast, then for ~10h nothing and then take mushrooms in the evening. Fasting for a day or longer gave me very inconsistent results, but also often a greatly reduced intensity of the trip. It could be that the reduction of stomach acid during fasting leads to the effect that the mushrooms basically enter and leave your body undigested. Maybe the body also has a way of sensing that the shrooms you're eating are made of mostly chitin, so basically useless for gaining energy and thus it does not invest any further energy in digesting them when fasting for extended periods.
But as long as it's a MS grow you can always get bunk shrooms, even in the same flush:shrug:


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: sporecap]
    #26451699 - 01/25/20 11:30 AM (4 years, 4 days ago)

Now I'm wondering if it went through me too quick as HappyHigh said. I used tea tek too. But yeah I guess the bunk batch is very possible too. I will just not do them on a long fast anymore. I just thought it would be great and was disappointed.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom]
    #26452923 - 01/26/20 04:06 AM (4 years, 3 days ago)

Water fasting and/or carbohydrate restriction can reduce the effects of psychedelics as your brain needs readily available energy to trip, fasting depletes your stored energy.

After 2-3 days fasting your glycogen stores would be almost empty and you would be starting to derive your energy from stored fat which is slow burning, and making some glucose from stored protein (muscles) via gluconeogensis, which is an inefficient process. This I find results in a very dulled 'backround' trip which leaves the ego intact and a re-feed soon brings the effects back to where they should be. I imagine if you'd eaten you would've started tripping soon after.

Try again with the same batch of mushrooms/same method of ingestion after eating a few hours before and report back.




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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: psysearch]
    #26456829 - 01/28/20 01:07 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Well, it wasn't the fasting. I just tried 7g while not fasting and had the same weak experience. So it's either that I'm developing a tolerance or it's weak mushrooms. It's probably the weak mushrooms, right? Once a month isn't often enough to develop a tolerance I hope.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: hipposhroom] * 1
    #26456851 - 01/28/20 01:19 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Tolerance is instant, it doesn't develop over time. Once you trip you get a tolerance lasting for a week or two.
That's why tripping multiple times per week doesn't work too well.

If you wait a month or two in between you are totally fine.

I'd say it's weak shrooms. Or they have lost potency. If not fully dried, or stored improperly, they lose the magic quite fast.
I had shrooms gone completly bunk within three months only due to beeing stored in a zipperbag at roomtemp, and not airtight in the fridge.

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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #26457240 - 01/28/20 04:56 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Fasting does increase the amount of adrenaline in your system, so that could have affected it.


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Re: Fasting ruined my trip? [Re: dk-1]
    #26457526 - 01/28/20 07:45 PM (4 years, 1 day ago)

Doing 36 hrs fasts and eating literally anything feels like it turns into shit in less than an hr. Sometimes I have to drop a hot shit before I finish my meal.

Maybe that's just me, but an extended fast like that could make you digest rapidly and maybe that has an effect.


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